Boradt | Has anyone here tried to migrate Proxmox from Debian to Devuan? | 04:23 |
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Boradt | is anybody there? | 04:31 |
golinux | Boradt: Yes. But I can't answer your question. | 04:36 |
Boradt | Hello there! | 04:37 |
Boradt | That's fine, I thought my messages aren't going through for some reason. | 04:37 |
golinux | I just searched the forum, and MLs and almost no discussion of Proxmox | 04:41 |
golinux | I've been here since th fork and have no recollection of it at all. | 04:42 |
Boradt | Well, that's a shame. | 04:42 |
Boradt | Proxmox seems like a good software, systemd aside that is. | 04:42 |
Hydragyrum | should have a good idea of how well it works installed on top of devuan ceres soon™ | 04:43 |
golinux | You can poke around to see if there is something useful in those resources. | 04:43 |
golinux | It is not on the banned packages list https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt | 04:44 |
Hydragyrum | golinux, it's a completely 3rd-party deal, not in the normal repos | 04:44 |
Boradt | Hydragyrum! Hello! You're here too :) | 04:44 |
Hydragyrum | Boradt, of course I am ;) | 04:45 |
golinux | Well, it's probably a no-starter if it depends on systemd | 04:45 |
Boradt | Some stuff will probably work, depending on how much depends on systemd | 04:46 |
Boradt | If it's a lot, then there would be a lot of manual labor involved, to change it to sysv or some other init | 04:47 |
golinux | Stick around. Someone may have tried. | 04:47 |
golinux | Or as I suggested search our resources | 04:48 |
golinux | Boradt: http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/_devuan/search?q=proxmox | 04:49 |
Boradt | golinux so it's possible | 04:51 |
Hydragyrum | ok so pve-kernel-helper depends systemd | 04:52 |
Hydragyrum | I was just getting to the step in installation on existing debian on a ceres box | 04:54 |
Boradt | Drat :( | 04:54 |
* golinux bows out | 04:54 | |
Hydragyrum | so it may be doable, but would take some degree of work | 04:55 |
Hydragyrum | it *probably* doesn't require any features of systemd that aren't present in normal init systems | 04:55 |
Boradt | Hydragyrum So it's a show stopper? | 05:01 |
Hydragyrum | well | 05:01 |
Hydragyrum | I saw something on the logs about using an old version of proxmox from before debian started using systemd | 05:02 |
Hydragyrum | and it may be easy to create a mirror of the proxmox repo with some changes to remove systemd deps | 05:02 |
Hydragyrum | but unless you want to do some serious work, yeah it's a showstopper | 05:04 |
Boradt | oh well, I guess I'll just install some non-systemd distro and install/run/manage services via terminal | 05:05 |
Hydragyrum | xen could be nice for doing that, also look at libvirt | 05:06 |
Hydragyrum | with libvirt you can use virt-manager remotely, allowing you to have a gui to manage VMs and the like -- and supports qemu, xen, lxc, and bhyve, among others | 05:07 |
Hydragyrum | honestly for most home/hobbyist use, libvirt is about as good as proxmox for VM management | 05:09 |
Boradt | #linux is full of scumbag idiots | 05:56 |
Boradt | it angers me to see that channel is a first stop for a lot of people who are getting into gnu+linux | 05:57 |
Boradt | if you mention a distro without systemd.. well.. you're in for a ride | 05:57 |
Boradt | oh i hate on-call 12h weekends | 06:09 |
Boradt | so so much | 06:09 |
jk_ | hello! I'd like some hints on how to debug a system freeze. I only know to check # dmesg --ctime but I don't get enough information. the last freeze was obviously before hardreboot and I only get messages since the recent system start | 10:46 |
used____ | jk_: /var/log/syslog /var/log/messages /var/log/debug /var/log/boot* etc | 11:32 |
used____ | and /var/log/dmesg* | 11:32 |
used____ | Note dmesg logs are rotated normally, there will be an archive of them | 11:33 |
used____ | The previous bootlog will be dmesg.0 normally | 11:33 |
used____ | [aside] why is `nosmt` in my grub.cfg default kernel cli?! | 11:35 |
used____ | Beowulf. | 11:35 |
jk_ | used____: Chimera | 11:36 |
jk_ | used____: thanks a lot for the hints! | 11:37 |
used____ | jk_: don't expect the fault to be logged there though, you'll get an idea of what was up just before it, at best | 11:37 |
jk_ | alright, that still is a step forward | 11:38 |
used____ | I hope. Good luck. | 11:38 |
jk_ | hehe | 11:39 |
used____ | jk_: are you a systemd refugee? ;-) | 11:47 |
jk_ | used____: hehe nope, I am running openrc X·D ______ is there a way to get dmseg.0 with day time? | 11:48 |
jk_ | systtemd seems confusing to me | 11:49 |
used____ | Not really, times are usec relative to boot moment. You should be able to get a "zero" for this from the boot record in syslog | 11:49 |
used____ | So if you look in syslog and consider the boot time there, it should correspond to a time (likely not 0.0) in dmesg. | 11:50 |
used____ | The offset is the kernel boot time (until early printk buffer is spilled into syslog after syslogd starts) | 11:50 |
jk_ | yes, dmesg.0 is sorted from 0.000000] Linux version 5.14.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 to 18.206162] NET: Registered PF_ALG protocol family | 11:52 |
jk_ | does this mean 18 seconds? o.O | 11:52 |
used____ | Yes. | 11:52 |
used____ | That's machine time, not real time. Real time may be longer. | 11:53 |
used____ | Depending on what timer is used by the kernel to count. | 11:53 |
jk_ | oh.. ok! | 12:03 |
jk_ | used____; well, in the files that you poited to i see a lot (!) of ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@ | 12:04 |
jk_ | ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@ | 12:04 |
jk_ | ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@ | 12:04 |
jk_ | ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@ | 12:04 |
jk_ | ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@ | 12:04 |
jk_ | ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@ | 12:04 |
jk_ | ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@ | 12:04 |
jk_ | ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@ | 12:04 |
jk_ | ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@ | 12:04 |
jk_ | at the moment of the freeze :) | 12:04 |
jk_ | of the mentioned files in /var/log/ the one with the latest entry is: and the entry is /var/log/syslog.1 | 12:11 |
jk_ | Nov 14 03:30:01 tpt10 CRON[26897]: (root) CMD (test -e /run/systemd/system || SERVICE_MODE=1 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/e2fsprogs/e2scrub_all_cron) | 12:11 |
jk_ | whooops! pasetd the name of the file in the wrong place haha | 12:12 |
used____ | Nice NULs there jk_, lots of them too. | 12:23 |
used____ | There should not be ^@s in those files, they are text, you probably have disk corruption and or a bad disk imo. | 12:24 |
used____ | e2scurb_all_cron sounds like a e2fs maintenance program I do not have installed here | 12:25 |
used____ | Find out what package provides it jk_ | 12:25 |
used____ | https://lwn.net/Articles/749106/ sounds like you are running e2fsck on ext4 via cron, while mounted. What could possibly go wrong. | 12:27 |
used____ | ""From: "Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong-AT-oracle.com>"" | 12:28 |
used____ | Nuff said. | 12:28 |
used____ | jk_: do you NEED that feature... It only works on LVM apparently, and sort of expects systemd provided process privacy, which is not necessarily a given on Devuan. | 12:29 |
jk_ | used____: damn! ad disk is my worst expectation 'cuz it is eMMC :\ | 12:29 |
used____ | Ouch. | 12:29 |
used____ | Remove that package, run e2fsck on root part, reboot, see what you have left. | 12:30 |
used____ | ext4 is said not to be a good idea for flash. Journals eat blocks. | 12:30 |
jk_ | ok, ok... good hints! | 12:31 |
jk_ | I'll have a look into this e2scrub_all_cron... no i dea what it might be. this devuan is pretty fresh, only a couple of months old | 12:40 |
jk_ | and to me " running e2fsck on ext4 via cron, while mounted" sounds really out of place | 12:44 |
jk_ | "ext4 is said not to be a good idea for flash. Journals eat blocks." oh! also very important to consider | 12:52 |
hagbard | Is there a way to get apt to download the long package description texts again? They used to be dsiplayed in synaptic. | 13:41 |
hagbard | "apt update -o Acquire::Languages=en_US.UTF-8" did not help | 13:43 |
hagbard | Or are those gone in the repos themselves? | 13:43 |
jk_ | used____: I think I've got it! thanxs again! | 18:00 |
Aresy | Hello everyone | 18:50 |
Aresy | Very happy to join this big family | 18:51 |
Thominus | HI @Aresy :) | 19:00 |
rwp | Hi Aresy! Welcome to the group! Please join #devuan-offtop as that is where the social chatter is happening. :-) | 19:07 |
golinux | Or if you have a support question, just ask. | 19:08 |
Aresy | Very happy to meet all of you | 19:16 |
Aresy | Where are you all? | 19:18 |
golinux | Aresy: We are waiting to answer support questions. This channel is not for chat. | 19:36 |
Aresy | OK | 19:39 |
gnarface | Aresy: #devuan-offtopic | 19:50 |
gnarface | people chat in there | 19:50 |
gnarface | it's quiet right now though | 19:51 |
Aresy | I do not know either | 20:14 |
Hunter[m] | <Aresy> "Very happy to join this big..." <- Me too! | 20:18 |
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