| UsL | will dd make a 1:1 copy of a disc to a iso file or do I need smthng else? | 00:05 |
|---|---|---|
| gnarface | it's not an iso file unless you're copying from a cd but yes | 00:06 |
| gnarface | it will make a byte-for-byte raw copy of any driver-supported disk contents, regardless of media type | 00:07 |
| UsL | it is. Okay. I'm rescuing my old dvd collection from disc rot. | 00:08 |
| gnarface | oh | 00:08 |
| gnarface | use i'd recommend dvdbackup for that but if you want to preserve the iso part that would work probably | 00:08 |
| gnarface | not 100% sure you might not run into some weird copy protection issues writing some disks back to optical, can't be sure because i've never tried it | 00:09 |
| UsL | I don't want to transcode anything or so. Just bit perfect copies. | 00:09 |
| gnarface | dvdbackup doesn't transcode it just copies to the filesystem | 00:09 |
| UsL | searching for it will give you all the answers in the world you don't want.. : ) | 00:09 |
| gnarface | copies filesystem to filesystem | 00:09 |
| gnarface | in a structure that preserves the menu functionality | 00:09 |
| UsL | well, I gather the css copy stuff just gets copied? That's my aim at least | 00:10 |
| gnarface | oh, no i think dvdbackup would require decss | 00:10 |
| gnarface | dd probably wouldn't | 00:10 |
| UsL | right. | 00:10 |
| UsL | So, dd will make an iso and then the iso can be opened for further things down the line. | 00:11 |
| UsL | I guess I could just test it. I just wondered if dd would suffice. For me dd is magic. I don't know how it works : ) | 00:12 |
| gnarface | dd if=/dev/dvd of=movie.iso | 00:14 |
| gnarface | don't point it at your face | 00:14 |
| UsL | I'll test dd. This laptop couldn't transcode anything without burning up. So, if that tíme comes I'll at least have the isos. I hope. | 00:14 |
| UsL | haha, I wont | 00:14 |
| gnarface | i just have misgivings about whether leaving the encryption on it is actually future-proofing it | 00:15 |
| UsL | I see what you mean. So, maybe decss it with dvdbackup and make a "clean" iso | 00:16 |
| gnarface | recently i've even started to have misgivings about the iso format optical disks use itself, because i'm not so sure anymore those drives will stick around for ever either | 00:16 |
| gnarface | but, the software isn't going away any time soon so do whatever you think is best | 00:18 |
| UsL | drives dies, true. But I hope the iso format will last longer : ) | 00:18 |
| gnarface | flash media doesn't seem to need special formatting so... that's where i'm thinking dvd/cdrom iso dies | 00:18 |
| UsL | true.. | 00:18 |
| gnarface | probably not for another decade or so at least though | 00:19 |
| gnarface | now, from what i understand there's no "hidden data" about these movies on alternate tracks or anything, like cd audio formats had | 00:20 |
| gnarface | so if you call dvdbackup right you should be able to copy just the filesystem contents of the disk and leave nothing behind | 00:20 |
| gnarface | (except the encryption and the media-specific disk format) | 00:21 |
| gnarface | however i have seen copy protection hacks on some disks fool dvdbackup when you don't explicitly call it with the option that backs up the entire thing | 00:21 |
| gnarface | hopefully dd can't be fooled... | 00:22 |
| gnarface | but it might also copy a bunch of zeroes | 00:22 |
| UsL | I see.. Yeah, I was surprised at the filesize of dvdbackup (43 kB) seems like a lean and optimized program.. | 00:23 |
| UsL | Good. I noticed libdvdcss2 got pulled from deb multimedia and not from devuan/debian repos. | 00:24 |
| UsL | now I can make clean isos I think. Thanks gnarface. | 00:25 |
| gnarface | if you get the whole disk with dvdbackup, vlc and such will still treat that directory and it's contents it as a dvd | 00:26 |
| gnarface | just fyi | 00:26 |
| gnarface | properly behaving programs will still load the menus automatically, etc | 00:27 |
| UsL | nice. I'll do "dvdbackup -M" then | 00:28 |
| gnarface | i'm not sure that's the right one | 00:28 |
| gnarface | doesn't ring a bell | 00:28 |
| gnarface | i'm thinking -F? | 00:28 |
| UsL | Mirror - backup the whole dvd | 00:28 |
| UsL | -F is feature.. So, what it thinks is the movie I take it | 00:29 |
| UsL | I'll test both trigger and see what I want | 00:29 |
| gnarface | just always double-check it | 00:29 |
| gnarface | take an inventory on chapters and such | 00:29 |
| UsL | but this is the right way to do it at least. | 00:29 |
| UsL | yeah | 00:30 |
| gnarface | one form always does it right, the other form sometimes can get fooled, i forget which is which now | 00:30 |
| Soltis | Why is this system hanging on shutdown at 'stopping enhanced syslogd: rsyslogd'? | 00:31 |
| rrq | Soltis: my web search on that question seems to suggeste that there is some kind of network file system involved | 00:55 |
| Soltis | rrq: Yes, and the info I see is years old and doesn't seem to correctly apply anymore, or at least the solutions suggested. | 00:56 |
| rrq | does "hangs" mean you don't have any console access? | 01:02 |
| rrq | or remote access? | 01:02 |
| Soltis | It's obviously waiting for a remote filesystem to respond that probably can't because it wasn't unmounted before the wifi is stopped. | 01:05 |
| Soltis | That's my guess, at any rate. | 01:05 |
| Soltis | I can still switch between consoles and such, locally | 01:05 |
| rrq | can you work out which of the rc6.d/K* scripts was entered last? eg by adding an stderr output early up in them | 01:06 |
| Soltis | Shoot me. Yes, just gotta add 32 echo statements. Ugh. | 01:13 |
| rrq | 32 sounds a lot; mine has only 6 following K04rsyslog | 01:16 |
| Soltis | It is a lot, more than I expected. | 01:18 |
| rrq | puck K??networing and the one after that to begin with | 01:19 |
| rrq | puck=pick | 01:19 |
| rrq | networing=networking :) | 01:19 |
| rrq | and maybe K??umountroot | 01:20 |
| Soltis | Oh, this is interesting. | 01:20 |
| Soltis | K08umountfs follows K04rsyslog | 01:21 |
| Soltis | Oh, and K05umountnfs.sh also follows it | 01:21 |
| Soltis | I'm wondering if that's the issue - if I could just swap those two. | 01:22 |
| rrq | the actual ordering is rather found in the file /etc/init.d/.depend.stop | 01:23 |
| rrq | which is a Makefile style representation of dependency ordering | 01:24 |
| Soltis | ... so as far as I can tell, this explicitly details that rsyslog must be stopped before umountnfs.sh | 01:24 |
| rrq | yes, I think so; that stopping umountnfs.sh depends on having stopped rsyslog | 01:26 |
| Soltis | And as far as I can tell, this shows umountnfs.sh as a dependency of networking, so you'd think it would unmount everything first | 01:27 |
| rrq | yes all "nfs" .. includes a range of types | 01:29 |
| rrq | is that happening? does it enter K??networking ? | 01:30 |
| Soltis | Lemme find out. | 01:31 |
| Soltis | Okay, so it's entering network-manager and then rsyslogd and then umountnfs from what I can tell | 01:34 |
| Soltis | ... so maybe the issue isn't rsyslogd at all - it doesn't indicate that process completed, though. | 01:35 |
| rrq | networking before umountnfs ? | 01:35 |
| Soltis | Yep. | 01:35 |
| Soltis | network-manager I should say | 01:35 |
| Soltis | "networking" is not being entered though | 01:36 |
| Soltis | Okay so yeah, I did catch a line this time ... CIFS complaining the remote server isn't responding. | 01:36 |
| rrq | maybe add a dependency into the network-manager init script to be later ...similar as the networking init script | 01:38 |
| rrq | it has a "# Required-Stop: .." line? | 01:39 |
| rrq | please paste that init script (so I could learn :) | 01:40 |
| Soltis | Okay so network-manager kills the wifi I believe | 01:40 |
| Soltis | But unfortunately, I can't add network-manager as a dependency to umountnfs.sh without creating a circular dependency | 01:40 |
| fsmithred | maybe mounting with autofs would help | 01:42 |
| rrq | I don't have experience fiddling with stop time dependencies | 01:42 |
| Soltis | I can only think of two options | 01:42 |
| Soltis | 1 is to simply reduce the cifs timeout | 01:43 |
| Soltis | 2 is to somehow make it so that wifi isn't killed when the window manager is killed | 01:43 |
| fsmithred | use ifupdown instead of n-m | 01:44 |
| Soltis | ? | 01:44 |
| fsmithred | put it in /etc/network/interfaces | 01:44 |
| fsmithred | auto wlan0 | 01:44 |
| fsmithred | blah... | 01:44 |
| rrq | :) | 01:45 |
| Soltis | Yeah, that would work. Disgusting, but it would work. | 01:45 |
| Soltis | Option 4 - add call to umountnfs.sh inside stop action of network-manager | 01:48 |
| fsmithred | I like autofs for remote mounts | 01:49 |
| fsmithred | I don't need to worry about who reboots whenever. | 01:49 |
| rrq | couldn't you just add "network-manager" to the Should-Stop line of umountnfs.sh ? | 01:51 |
| Soltis | rrq: I believe no, because of circular dep stuff. | 01:51 |
| rrq | did you try? ... disable umountnfs.sh, change, enable ? | 01:53 |
| Soltis | What do you mean? | 01:53 |
| rrq | first using update-rc.d to disable umountnfs.sh, then change it, then enable it again | 01:54 |
| Soltis | Guess I could try that. | 01:54 |
| rrq | the insserv subsystem will complain if that makes an issu and othewise rearrange things to suit | 01:54 |
| Soltis | Wait, when you say 'change' - you mean add that dependency? Or something else? | 01:56 |
| rrq | yes, add that depenency | 01:56 |
| rrq | (spell correctly, though :) | 01:56 |
| rrq | more generally I think network-manager should be declared as provider of the $network facility ... but that'd be a "larger" change | 01:57 |
| Soltis | Yeah. Well, this is a years-old bug that nobody seems to want to fix | 01:58 |
| rrq | being $network provider is a more grandiose declaration, and shuld probably be done by someone who knows rather than me :) | 01:59 |
| rrq | I'm also unsure whether insserv can deal with provision plurality; it probably would rather force a choice among providers | 02:06 |
| Afdal | Any idea why my Xfce doesn't seem to like putting notifications at the top corners of my screen? | 02:08 |
| Afdal | I can't remember if this was an issue on a previous release | 02:08 |
| Soltis | Well, my hack solution worked. | 02:08 |
| Soltis | So good enough for me. | 02:08 |
| Soltis | Sick of dealing with over-architected bullshit that doesn't work correctly. | 02:08 |
| Soltis | Thanks for the help | 02:08 |
| rrq | good. cheers. | 02:09 |
| Afdal | My notifications (like volume changing) somehow end up in the middle of sides of my screen when I choose the top corners | 02:09 |
| Afdal | like it thinks the top of my screen ends at the middle | 02:09 |
| Hunter[m] | I got a new monitor and it won't display the GRUB menu at all, neither the BIOS, it just says "no display". Only turns on when sysvinit finishes | 03:12 |
| Hunter[m] | So I'm unable to swap out kernels and what not. I'd like to quit using the Liquorix one | 03:13 |
| rwp | Hunter[m], How strange! I can only imagine that it is not sync'ing to the resolution that the BIOS is putting out. | 03:35 |
| rwp | Can you get the BIOS to pause? So that it sits there long enough to display the BIOS? | 03:36 |
| Hunter[m] | rwp: This actually sounds about right, I noticed that the BIOS screen was pretty low quality compared to even the 60hz HP monitor I had before. This one is a 144hz Dell. | 03:38 |
| Hunter[m] | It's a Gigabyte B550M DS3H. | 03:38 |
| Hunter[m] | rwp: I couldn't ever hit F2/F10 to get it to stay in the BIOS. It doesn't seem to do anything. It gives three beeps indicating a GPU error, light turns off, comes back on, and I'm in Devuan. | 03:39 |
| Hunter[m] | I got it to stay in the BIOS screen, but no display. | 03:43 |
| Hunter[m] | * B550M DS3H motherboard. | 03:49 |
| gnarface | Hunter[m]: it might help to try adding nomodeset to the kernel command-line | 04:17 |
| gnarface | if that fixes it, you can probably also specify one it likes manually | 04:18 |
| gnarface | otherwise you might have to check the bios for some legacy display setting | 04:18 |
| gnarface | you're not using a port/cable adapter for the display connection are you? | 04:19 |
| gnarface | that could also limit available modes | 04:21 |
| gnarface | if you were seeing the BIOS screen then grub disappears, we'd know it is a driver issue but the BIOS screen itself not appearing could mean a lower-level firmware incompatibility | 04:22 |
| gnarface | i have seen that once though not on a Dell | 04:22 |
| Hunter[m] | <gnarface> "Hunter: it might help to try..." <- Does that affect the BIOS screen as well | 04:27 |
| Hunter[m] | I dont know much about what goes on *before* the kernel is loaded | 04:27 |
| gnarface | no, it would only help for grub | 04:27 |
| gnarface | it goes bios, grub, then kernel | 04:27 |
| gnarface | resolution and font *might* change at every point | 04:27 |
| gnarface | it's not unheard of for there to be incompatibilities, especially with new or rare hardware | 04:28 |
| gnarface | depending on the video card you could run into similar behavior if you have the wrong drivers installed, but that wouldn't affect the bios screen | 04:29 |
| Hunter[m] | This is a fairly new monitor so it would make sense | 04:29 |
| Hunter[m] | Its branded as a gaming monitor, I didnt care about that I just wanted a better refresh rate 😂 | 04:30 |
| Hunter[m] | gnarface: Its the same video card so I think its related to the monitor | 04:32 |
| gnarface | Hunter[m]: the cable could be suspect too... HDMI cross-version compatibility sucks | 04:33 |
| Hunter[m] | You know what, I have an idea. | 04:34 |
| Hunter[m] | I have the old cable. Let me try that | 04:34 |
| gnarface | oh you know that reminded me, i have an idea too | 04:34 |
| gnarface | something that worked on that old one for me when i had this issue with analog crt monitors | 04:34 |
| gnarface | you could try going into the bios screen blind then plugging the display cable in after | 04:35 |
| gnarface | might work | 04:35 |
| gnarface | then if the behavior matches it should persist until reboot | 04:35 |
| Hunter[m] | Nope, old cable still gives the gpu error beeps | 04:37 |
| Hunter[m] | No display | 04:37 |
| Hunter[m] | Alright let me try that | 04:37 |
| Hunter[m] | Didnt work either | 04:38 |
| gnarface | check the hdmi version of the cable and the ports at both end | 04:41 |
| gnarface | i think below hdmi 2.0 it might not be able to go faster than 60Hz @1080p | 04:42 |
| gnarface | so if the monitor's minimum is something above 60Hz.... you can see how that could be a problem | 04:42 |
| gnarface | after it's in linux you should be able to poke at it with xrandr to get some more info | 04:43 |
| gnarface | i've also had colorspace mismatches and outright handshake failures based on finicky power-on orders going from hdmi 1.3b to 2.0 | 04:45 |
| Hunter[m] | Its 144hz and I can confirm xrandr is outputting 144 | 04:45 |
| gnarface | so it's all fine once it gets the kernel booting? | 04:45 |
| gnarface | running at the manufacturer-specified optimal resolution and refresh rate automatically? | 04:47 |
| gnarface | since it's a new dell i'd also check the website for a bios update with a changelog that mentions display support | 04:48 |
| gnarface | wait, is it the same video card in a new motherboard? | 04:49 |
| gnarface | i've seen some odd situations with some nvidia cards changing the default output port | 04:50 |
| gnarface | that could cause an issue like this too | 04:50 |
| gnarface | if it's got more than one output port you might want to see if the default just mysteriously moved | 04:50 |
| gnarface | presumably once the kernel is loaded it's smart enough to find the one that's actually connected regardless but, the default "primary" isn't always as fixed as it seems | 04:52 |
| gnarface | and the bios is rarely smart enough to auto-detect that | 04:52 |
| Hunter[m] | gnarface: I tried the second HDMI port, still the same problem | 04:54 |
| Hunter[m] | <gnarface> "running at the manufacturer-..." <- Yes, 1080p 144hz. | 04:54 |
| Hunter[m] | I've got TearFree enabled. I want to use VRR but its display port exclusive in the kernel for some reason. | 04:55 |
| gnarface | i don't think the bios screen is gonna care, and i doubt it's gonna output above 60Hz at least until grub loads | 04:55 |
| gnarface | so that could be the issue but i couldn't be sure it's not just a weird cable version problem | 04:55 |
| Hunter[m] | I know that was just a little ramble | 04:56 |
| gnarface | i think grub might not go above 60Hz either, not sure | 04:56 |
| Hunter[m] | You can set resolution but I dont know about the refresh rate | 04:56 |
| Hunter[m] | I have it set to 1080p | 04:57 |
| gnarface | i know you can also set refresh rate but it's a constrained list of valid combos and i don't recall seeing any above 60Hz in the docs i've found is all | 04:57 |
| gnarface | you'd have to test it | 04:58 |
| gnarface | maybe worth a try | 04:58 |
| Hunter[m] | <gnarface> "wait, is it the same video..." <- No, its all the same hardware as before only the monitor has been swapped | 04:58 |
| gnarface | ok, just confirming | 04:58 |
| Hunter[m] | Its a Gigabyte motherboard, I would think it could handle 144hz but it is indeed locked to 60 from what I recall | 04:59 |
| gnarface | it's about text modes vs graphical modes | 05:00 |
| gnarface | there isn't as high a priority for improving text modes as there used to be when video modes sucked | 05:00 |
| gnarface | you can find out what the video card handles by setting vga=ask, and then just try them until you find a good one that works but i think you need to be able to see grub's output first for that to work | 05:02 |
| Hunter[m] | I'll check Gigabytes website for any more bios updates | 05:02 |
| gnarface | (vga=ask on the kernel command-line that is) | 05:02 |
| gnarface | oh i thought you said it was a Dell | 05:02 |
| gnarface | it's just a Dell monitor? | 05:02 |
| Hunter[m] | Only the monitor is Dell, yes | 05:03 |
| Hunter[m] | Its a custom built PC | 05:03 |
| Hunter[m] | So I have a few different brands in it | 05:03 |
| gnarface | does the video card also have displayport ports? | 05:05 |
| gnarface | or just HDMI? | 05:05 |
| Hunter[m] | It has both, and even DVI | 05:05 |
| Hunter[m] | I dont have a Displayport cable though sadly | 05:06 |
| gnarface | i got a newer video card and it seems to favor the displayport outputs over the hdmi, it can't go as high resolution on the hdmi outputs and the default "primary" is one of them not a hdmi one | 05:06 |
| gnarface | food for thought if you have to get a new cable anyway | 05:07 |
| Hunter[m] | Interesting | 05:08 |
| Hunter[m] | Mines an RX 580.. It worked fine using HDMI on the generic HP Monitor I had before | 05:09 |
| Hunter[m] | I just wanted better refresh rates | 05:09 |
| Hunter[m] | That was a 60hz one | 05:09 |
| gnarface | this one is a rx 5500 xt | 05:09 |
| gnarface | seems possible | 05:10 |
| gnarface | i've got no other ideas, sorry | 05:11 |
| Hunter[m] | Its a weird problem, no worries | 05:11 |
| Hunter[m] | I guess if I need anything with the bios or grub I can use the other one | 05:12 |
| Hunter[m] | But I also need to try setting nomodeset in grub | 05:12 |
| Hunter[m] | The weird part is it seems like grub is skipped entirely, I have the timeout disabled so its supposed to not automatically boot unless I hit enter but it does anyway | 05:14 |
| gnarface | i have this problem with a projector because it just didn't support the resolution | 05:14 |
| gnarface | the monitor supports 640x480 right? | 05:15 |
| gnarface | it's possible that it doesn't | 05:15 |
| fluffywolf | it may or may not be relevant, but grub keeps making changes in what the timeout options do, so make sure you did whatever was right for your version of grub. | 05:16 |
| onefang | (Just woke up, catching up on old stuff) gnarface: Using the swapspace program solves even more problems than using a swap partition. | 07:30 |
| Afdal | swapspace program? | 07:38 |
| onefang | "Small, stable system add-on that continuously and automatically adapts | 07:47 |
| onefang | available virtual memory space to your actual memory needs. Claims disk space | 07:47 |
| onefang | for use as swap space when needed; frees it up for use by the filesystem when | 07:47 |
| onefang | not needed." It's in the Devuan package repos. | 07:47 |
| onefang | So when you don't need swap, it's not using any disk space, and if you need more than currently exists, it gives you more. Though in the later case, it's probably time to stop your memory hogs. | 07:48 |
| Afdal | is it this https://github.com/Tookmund/Swapspace | 07:48 |
| Afdal | mite b interesting | 07:49 |
| onefang | apt install swapspace | 07:49 |
| onefang | Yes, that's the same swapspace. I had to dig a bit to check. | 07:51 |
| Xenguy | Interesting program | 07:52 |
| onefang | https://github.com/Tookmund/Swapspace from the man page for it, which links to https://github.com/Tookmund/swapspace | 07:52 |
| Xenguy | One wonders why it should be necessary in the first place, but nevertheless | 07:52 |
| onefang | So your swap partition / swap file isn't permanently taking up space. | 07:53 |
| onefang | And so you don't even have to think about it. | 07:53 |
| Xenguy | Huh | 07:54 |
| onefang | "How big should I make my swap partition / file?" Install sawpsapce and you don't need to answer that question. | 07:55 |
| Xenguy | The old formula used to be 'double your RAM', but not sure if that still applies | 07:56 |
| onefang | I have 256 GB of RAM, if I need three times that much, I got really big problems and should probably kill something. lol | 07:58 |
| Xenguy | Exactly. Times moves on | 07:59 |
| onefang | But if I'm suddenly in need of 512 GB of disk space, I'd be really upset if I had 512 GB of swap partition I can't use. | 07:59 |
| Xenguy | And that much RAM is unusual | 07:59 |
| onefang | This is my 64 core Threadripper super desktop. | 08:01 |
| Xenguy | Helluva ripper by the sounds of it | 08:01 |
| onefang | I had money to spend. B-) | 08:01 |
| Xenguy | Beauty : -) | 08:01 |
| onefang | And a ten year old desktop to replace. | 08:02 |
| Xenguy | That's what I call an upgrade | 08:02 |
| Afdal | By the year 2030 web browsers will require 50GB of RAM | 08:02 |
| Afdal | we'll get there eventually... | 08:02 |
| onefang | That was my design goal, a desktop that'll last another decade of bloating. Plus I can run lots of VMs. | 08:03 |
| onefang | But, we wondered off topic now. And I have other things to do. | 08:04 |
| jk000 | hello devuans! :) I have a little problem with hibernation and mywlan interface. after hibernation I see no available networks :? | 11:31 |
| gnarface | probably a known issue | 11:32 |
| jk000 | nmcli shows the adapter: a (likely problematic) "Broadcom BCM4324" | 11:32 |
| gnarface | try the backports kernel, but hibernation isn't well supported by several drivers | 11:33 |
| gnarface | you might not get much luck | 11:33 |
| jk000 | oh... | 11:33 |
| gnarface | there is the possibility some module option could work around it but unlikely | 11:34 |
| jk000 | hmm... I thought it might be possible to restart something in openr? | 11:34 |
| jk000 | hhmm... | 11:34 |
| gnarface | well you could try to just ifdown and ifup the interface after the system wakes up | 11:34 |
| gnarface | or if you're using a gui network management tool restart the interface there | 11:34 |
| gnarface | but i assumed when you said it sees no networks that implied you'd tried that | 11:35 |
| jk000 | newbie here... I've not done that yet | 11:36 |
| gnarface | oh, well with a regular wifi connection it would be expected behavior that you'd get disconnected on hibernate, just fyi | 11:37 |
| gnarface | and depending on your setup it might not reconnect automatically | 11:37 |
| jk000 | yes. yes. so I am attempring a manual connection | 11:38 |
| gnarface | a static ip config on a wired network would behave differently | 11:38 |
| jk000 | or a restart of the interface | 11:38 |
| jk000 | yes, true, too | 11:38 |
| ShorTie | or maybe disable power off to the wifi adapter | 11:39 |
| jk000 | ShorTie: interestieng, how do I check if thadapter is receiven power? may be I can turn it off and back on? | 11:40 |
| ShorTie | not sure exactly how to do it, Sorry | 11:42 |
| jk000 | hehe ok :) | 11:43 |
| ShorTie | Mr.Google says https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/269661/how-to-turn-off-wireless-power-management-permanently maybe | 11:45 |
| jk000 | let's see | 11:52 |
| jk000 | hello, i'd like to try out a backports-kernel. do I ned a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/backports.list file? or should the "deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimera-backports main contrib non-free" be directly in /etc/apt/sources.list ? | 12:47 |
| jk000 | do both update the backports-kernel? is "contrib non-free" unnecessary? | 12:49 |
| _ds_ | jk000, source line in either location will work. | 13:05 |
| _ds_ | As for contrib & non-free, depends on what you want/need… | 13:05 |
| jk000 | alright! thanx for confirming! I wasn't sure there was a contrib and/or non-free in the backports tree too | 13:11 |
| jk000 | now I know (: | 13:11 |
| leitz | Noob question; looking at pkginfo.devuan.org, the packages have "amd64" at the end. Does that mean the package is only available for amd64, and not arm, for the RPi? | 13:59 |
| gnarface | it might just be only searching amd64 right now | 14:03 |
| gnarface | do you see arm packages come up with any searches? | 14:03 |
| gnarface | no i see kernels listed for every architecture, so yea that might mean it's only there for amd64 | 14:04 |
| leitz | gnarface, I found the note to add ":arm64" to the search pattern, that worked. | 14:04 |
| leitz | Thanks! | 14:05 |
| Hunter[m] | <gnarface> "the monitor supports 640x480..." <- Maybe not | 17:47 |
| Hunter[m] | I updated the BIOS since its been updated a bunch since the last flash, still no help | 17:47 |
| Hunter[m] | I fixed it! You have to disable CSM.. which unfortunately means it is UEFI only, so I need to reinstall my OS | 18:20 |
| rwp | Hunter[m], So it displays in UEFI boot mode but not with Legacy CSM? Firmware bug! At least that seems to me. Happy to hear you have a way to see the display now. | 19:27 |
| Hunter[m] | Yes, maybe I should be a bit more cautious when I buy hardware. I have always had really good experience with Dell though, until now! | 19:31 |
| Hunter[m] | rwp: Thanks! | 19:31 |
| Hunter[m] | I forgot I actually made a separate /home partition, I might actually be able to save most of my system | 19:32 |
| Hunter[m] | If I had a choice, I would have went with a CRT. The only one I have has a bad cap sadly. | 19:35 |
| Hunter[m] | And Goodwill here and nobody else seems to have one. | 19:35 |
| rwp | Hunter[m], A random thought occurred to me... Does this hardware have multiple video outputs? Is it possible that in Legacy BIOS mode it was displaying to a different video output? | 19:53 |
| rwp | I have seen systems that mirror the BIOS out to all video outputs. And those that output only to a specific video output. And firmware bugs of all types. Possible some interaction there? | 19:54 |
| Hunter[m] | <rwp> "Hunter, A random thought..." <- The monitor does, weirdly enough | 20:09 |
| Hunter[m] | I tried the other HDMI port (theres only two, and one DisplayPort) | 20:09 |
| Hunter[m] | But had the same result | 20:09 |
| Hunter[m] | I can get one HDMI port and one DisplayPort for either one, but how does that work having two HDMI's plugged into it? Perhaps it splits the screen? | 20:15 |
| used____ | HDMI is an excuse for a multi purpose digital bus. It can be used for a surprizing number of things, such as audio, multiple screens, HMI remote control etc | 20:39 |
| used____ | Splitting the screen is a monitor thing, HDMI has fast data wire pairs and a protocol to select what is being sent. It's possible to have more than one video screen at once in the same HDMI cable. | 20:41 |
| used____ | https://www.amazon.com/SPLITMUX%C2%AE-Screen-Multiviewer-Real-Time-Display/dp/B00VQH8DB4 example "external" box which does something similar. | 20:42 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ethernet is sent down new ones. | 20:50 |
| used____ | Anything goes, depending on end point equipment. I2C, USB, I2S audio, ethernet, video, etc. | 20:51 |
| used____ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Communication_channels | 20:51 |
| used____ | Anyway, it all depends on HDMI version at both ends (lowest liimts features), and chipset and drivers. | 20:56 |
| used____ | It has never occurred to me so far, to send 2 video streams on one HDMI connector, but it is definitely possible, with different resolutions even. | 20:57 |
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