| e3d3 | I accidentally have overwritten /etc/bash_completion and tried to restore it by reinstalling bash_completion, but this didn't do it. Any ideas how I can get the original file back ? | 00:19 |
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| gnarface | e3d3: i assume that's in the "bash" package since there's no bash_completion package | 00:23 |
| gnarface | e3d3: it looks like a generated file though, not one actually listed in the package inventory though | 00:23 |
| brocashelm | bash-completion is the package | 00:23 |
| e3d3 | gnarface: ?? I see a bash_completion package in synaptic | 00:23 |
| brocashelm | there are no underscores for package names | 00:24 |
| gnarface | ah, is ee | 00:24 |
| gnarface | i see | 00:24 |
| e3d3 | I'am sorry, its bash-completions indeed | 00:24 |
| gnarface | well it seems like a lot of packges put stuff in /etc/bash_completion.d | 00:24 |
| e3d3 | bash-completion | 00:24 |
| gnarface | make sure the old one is deleted first, config files aren't replaced by default | 00:25 |
| brocashelm | are the files bash.bashrc and profile present in /etc? | 00:26 |
| brocashelm | i tested installing bash-completion for the first time and got no /etc/bash_completion file | 00:26 |
| e3d3 | I've deleted it (the overwritten on), and the bash.bashrc & profile are present in /etc | 00:26 |
| brocashelm | not sure what else can be done other than retrieving from a backup | 00:27 |
| brocashelm | if you had something like timeshift, you could dig in and retrieve it that way | 00:27 |
| e3d3 | completion still seems to work | 00:27 |
| e3d3 | Its funny because just before I added manually completions for exa, a ls-replacement, and thought about to rapport it here as big issue since long, just as silly joke. But why are the exa completions files not included in the package ? | 00:30 |
| gnarface | i was just looking too sloppily, sorry. i thought i had /etc/bash_completion here but i only have /etc/bash_completion.d/ | 00:32 |
| gnarface | (and some stuff from various other packages inside it) | 00:32 |
| e3d3 | same for me, I was a little sloppy when completing the file name | 00:32 |
| e3d3 | I hope that you are right about that /etc/bash_completion is a generated file, and that it regenerate itself if needed. As far as I can see, completions still work as always. | 00:37 |
| e3d3 | I have cp aliased to "cp -iv" and trusted to much on this to forget it when using sudo cp, without the extra options. I was warned for this bad habit | 00:40 |
| e3d3 | brocashelm: gnarface thanks again for the help, and whatever you do for sharing the superb Devuan | 00:46 |
| rknop | Can somebody help me out? The GTK file chooser, at least as instantiated from the Gimp, no longer seems to be honoring my gsettings configurations. | 01:09 |
| rknop | I've run "gsettings set org.gtk.Settings.FileChooser location-mode filename-entry" (for instance). It used to be that I could hit CTRL-L in the GTK file chooser, and it'd give me a bar where I could type out the path I wanted to go to | 01:10 |
| rknop | However, it's now ignoring CTRL-L | 01:10 |
| rknop | Is there a new secret for getting GTK3 to have a typeable location bar? Or have the Gnome devs finally decided that they really don't want users interacting with their file chooser in a way other than what they think is the one true way? | 01:11 |
| adhoc | does smell like the gnome3 way | 01:11 |
| adhoc | does it work the same way in debian ? | 01:12 |
| rknop | I dunno... don't have Debian installed anywhere. | 01:12 |
| adhoc | gnome3/gtk3 wants to be running on a tablet, not ancient clumbsy mechanical keyboards ;) | 01:13 |
| rknop | I just discovered that if I click on something in the filesystem list on the left, then CTRL-L *does* start to work. | 01:13 |
| adhoc | i don't either. | 01:13 |
| rknop | However, I've *also* done "gsettings set org.gtk.Settings.FileChooser startup-mode cwd", and it's ignoring that (only showing me recent files). | 01:13 |
| golinux | If it's not a devuan issue, this conversation belongs in #devuan-offtopic | 01:14 |
| rknop | Hmm... the descriptions of the IRC channels on https://www.devuan.org/os/community don't jibe with that | 01:14 |
| golinux | Are you running Devuan? | 01:15 |
| rknop | Yes | 01:15 |
| rknop | "the general help and discussion channel for Devuan users " <-- that sounds a lot like what I was doing here | 01:15 |
| golinux | The conversation was a little confusing. | 01:15 |
| golinux | You didn't even identify what release you are using | 01:16 |
| golinux | Anyway . . . carry on . . . | 01:16 |
| u-amarsh04 | added an extra post to detail what needed to be done when adding a card to the pc to keep specifying the correct card in /etc/pulse/default.pa: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=33041#p33041 | 02:23 |
| fier | hey everyone. i've been really enjoying devuan on my 2003 system with 256mb of ram. however i've had to install it using an external computer. is there some way to flatboot the setup usb (ala WinPE, no ramdisk) or to get swap quite early? | 15:38 |
| fier | because as-is, if i boot the setup usb, i get a kernel panic because the init system is killed (likely due to lacking memory) | 15:39 |
| djph | fier: uhh, that's quite anemic in terms of RAM ... like I can't even get my basic install below about 300 MiB | 15:52 |
| fier | djph: i use openbox for a minimal desktop setup netsurf for browsing basic websites. complex websites are obviously off limits | 15:53 |
| djph | ... yeah, I'm talking about no DE at all | 15:53 |
| fier | huh, that's strange.. it works splendid for me. mind you, linux might cache more if you have more memory, and if you use 64-bit, the memory usage is gonna be a little higher | 15:55 |
| fier | when running no DE, my install ends up using a little over 40MB of physical memory | 15:56 |
| u-amarsh04 | me: 1993 - UnixWare in 16 MiB of RAM, 2004 - Debian in 48 MiB of RAM with xdm | 15:57 |
| fier | that's using the default init system for devuan, which i think is sysvinit? | 15:58 |
| fier | sounds neat | 16:01 |
| u-amarsh04 | sysvinit in all those cases | 16:02 |
| fier | though nowadays, at least with devuan, you need 192mb or so at least. it becomes quite sluggish with 128mb, at least it did on my system. debian is worse though, it was way less usable for me than devuan on 256mb. | 16:03 |
| fier | did my head in, two buddies pointed me towards systemd being the potential cause, and it sure was part of it | 16:04 |
| u-amarsh04 | I don't think that systemd developers subjected themselves to having to develop on a non-local machine, as kexec failures put me off systemd to begin with | 16:06 |
| fier | i've personally started using linux after systemd was already everywhere, and i haven't had much issue with it personally. the memory usage was my only issue, coming from w7, which can run fine on 128mb if you make the memory management behave via software. | 16:08 |
| * u-amarsh04 remembers w2k in 96 MiB of RAM | 16:10 | |
| fier | you might be surprised to know, no lie, that w7 has better memory management (if using aforementioned software) than xp, at least. lol | 16:10 |
| u-amarsh04 | w7 is still used in some machines where I work (hospital) | 16:11 |
| fier | that's good to hear, i have a large appreciation for 7, and hope that people will craft some sort of replacement for the SSL libs | 16:12 |
| fier | or alternatively that less websites force HTTPS | 16:12 |
| u-amarsh04 | http://www.bom.gov.au is still http only | 16:13 |
| fier | hahaha, that's funny | 16:14 |
| Wonka | u-amarsh04: you're very lucky if there's nothing xp-based anymore. CT scanners, ultrasound machines, ... | 16:26 |
| critr | best you can do for xp-required situations is run xp in a vm on a later windows. | 16:39 |
| Wonka | unlikely on medical machines | 16:41 |
| FatPhil | anyone know a way of (in plain X, no fancy DE) disabling my lenovo's touchpad? It's sending phantom events which is making the system unusable. | 16:48 |
| fier | not sure if plain X uses libinput on devuan or not, might be worth looking in those configs. otherwise, perhaps try the function key on the keyboard for switching the touchpad on/off? | 16:50 |
| FatPhil | there's nothing looking like a touchpad on any of the F-keys, and those don't seem to work anyway with my barebones setup. | 16:53 |
| fier | libinput configs probably a good bet then | 16:54 |
| fier | pre-2006 thinkpad? just curious | 16:56 |
| FatPhil | x240, so mid 2010s | 16:57 |
| fier | huh, interesting. on mine ranging from 2006 - 2011, there is a fn + f8 combo for it. but i never tried it | 16:59 |
| FatPhil | my f8 looks suspiciously like a wifi killswitch | 17:01 |
| FatPhil | xev was ambiguous on this matter | 17:02 |
| FatPhil | ah, no, I see XF86WLAN | 17:02 |
| fier | ah, i see | 17:02 |
| fier | i'll give the key combo a shot here, on my x61 | 17:03 |
| fier | oh wait, it doesn't even have a touchpad | 17:04 |
| fier | derp | 17:04 |
| FatPhil | I'll see your derp and raise you a herp^2. apparently 6 years ago I wrote a little helper script to enable/disable the thing, as it would often get in the way of my typing. | 17:05 |
| fier | well then! x) | 17:06 |
| FatPhil | xinput --set-prop $TPID "Device Enabled" $NEWSTATE, where the vars come from greps | 17:07 |
| FatPhil | Alas, it makes the nipple useless too, as it disables the buttons too. | 17:08 |
| FatPhil | Maybe it cuold be fixed with some kind of sensitivity setting, but I have no idea what I'm doing in that direction | 17:08 |
| fier | you are on the right track though i'm sure | 17:09 |
| used____ | What machine is this? | 17:09 |
| fier | xinput has some argument to list all the properties for a device, have a look in that! | 17:09 |
| fier | xinput list-props <device> | 17:10 |
| FatPhil | lots of them: https://www.x.org/archive/X11R7.5/doc/man/man4/synaptics.4.html | 17:11 |
| FatPhil | there are 3 weights, that's probably what I need. | 17:11 |
| FatPhil | my list's also claiming some "Noise Cancellation" property. No idea what the magic numbers mean though. | 17:13 |
| used____ | Filters jitter from position detection. | 17:16 |
| used____ | Likely filter coefficients. Larger numbers = more filtering normally. | 17:17 |
| FatPhil | that's improved it a little, but made it worse in some ways. I think shitty hardware is beyond fixing. | 17:25 |
| FatPhil | At least I can disable Two Finger Scrolling, and still vaguely have some half-broken-half-usable touchpad and buttons that doesn't cause absolute chaos | 17:26 |
| fier | heh | 17:26 |
| fier | yeah i suppose just swap in a better touchpad | 17:26 |
| fier | x250 touchpad oughta do it? | 17:28 |
| FatPhil | x250 has hard buttons, mine are all on-pad | 17:29 |
| FatPhil | worse design evar! | 17:29 |
| FatPhil | thanks jobs! | 17:29 |
| fier | aye, i think you can swap in the x250 pad though, if i remember correctly | 17:29 |
| fier | will make the windows drivers throw a hissy fit if you don't edit them but i bet linux oughta just handle it | 17:30 |
| fier | though maybe there still is a way to reduce the sensitivity to 0. i tried doing it with my trackpoint just now but had no success | 17:31 |
| onefang | Shitty hardware is nothing a pair of wire snippers can't fix. B-) | 17:33 |
| fier | or a hammer | 17:34 |
| DashiePie | onefang: I feel that right now, but I can't until the 2nd week of January | 17:39 |
| DashiePie | except I'll take fier's hammer instead | 17:39 |
| fier | you're free to | 17:39 |
| onefang | Fier's Hammer, sounds like it's a god level tool, with +10 to touchpad destruction. | 17:40 |
| DashiePie | it's Legendary rarity | 17:43 |
| fier | B) | 17:43 |
| used____ | Then the USB cable must be like Excalibur. Takes real force to tear out and 0wn. | 18:05 |
| critr | just get your cat to lay on the touchpad. | 18:21 |
| FatPhil | it ain't a mouse | 18:22 |
| FatPhil | ah, because consistency is evil, the 'synclient' program uses different names for the settings than xinput does. | 18:34 |
| FatPhil | yikes, libinput measure touchpad-pressure is showing the device has gone mental | 18:52 |
| fier | eef | 18:52 |
| onefang | Definitely needs a cat, they tend to calm you down when sitting in your lap / touchpad. | 18:53 |
| FatPhil | it reports multiple touches, palms, thumbs, etc. even when I'm not touching it. | 18:54 |
| used____ | FatPhil: now play with the filter numbers in settings. | 18:58 |
| used____ | Also clean the pad if it was in a cuprboard until now. Capacitive pads do not like stains, fingerprints, grime. | 18:59 |
| onefang | They probably don't like cat dander either. | 18:59 |
| used____ | Dander does not have the 80 epsilon-r of humid gunk. | 18:59 |
| _ds_ | critr, to lay what on the touchpad? | 19:10 |
| * _ds_ assumes eggs, which would be unusual for a cat | 19:11 | |
| onefang | Cats have eggs, they are just really tiny. | 19:14 |
| FatPhil | seen in a (poorly-translated) report on harassment of journalists: "reporting on hot-bottom issues" | 19:17 |
| used____ | Tabloid paparazzi, then? | 20:00 |
| used____ | <let's take the ot to -ot> | 20:00 |
| FatPhil | bu-bu-but all the unnecessary touchpad events were giving my laptop a hot bottom! | 20:20 |
| FatPhil | sounds like it's a fairly common issue from the google searches. | 20:21 |
| used____ | I'm sure google searches for hot bottom are quite common FatPhil | 21:33 |
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