| ham5urg | Neither VLC | 00:12 |
|---|---|---|
| ham5urg | I guess some other lib is missing. Looks like these apps are all no-gtk3-apps | 00:12 |
| bb|hcb | New pre-release of eudev is there on experimental (3.2.11-pre2) with lots of compatibility improvements. It would be nice to have broader testing. It should be fine to install on ceres/daedalus, also runs on chimaera but that may cause dependency problems and is recommended only for the brave | 00:12 |
| bb|hcb | https://github.com/eudev-project/eudev/releases/tag/v3.2.11-pre2 | 00:12 |
| bb|hcb | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/e/eudev/ | 00:13 |
| diehard_kiwi | apt search vim returns [installed,local] for -common, -haproxy, and -vim-tiny, but bash: vim: command not found this is madness | 00:24 |
| ham5urg_ | It was Wayland X-/ I did not recognized that I was using Gnome with Wayland. When I use X, all works fine. | 00:24 |
| diehard_kiwi | All of a sudden I feel like Linus from LTT | 00:24 |
| diehard_kiwi | I can man vim but not vim /etc/foo? | 00:27 |
| diehard_kiwi | bump | 00:36 |
| ham5urg | Devuan could spare itself headaches and abandon Wayland. | 00:39 |
| diehard_kiwi | sway is nice if I could only install it lol | 00:42 |
| diehard_kiwi | How am I supposed to keep this client open and juggle researching this problem!!! Lol | 00:47 |
| ham5urg_ | How to replace pulseaudio with pipwire? | 00:56 |
| ham5urg_ | I've found this https://kumarvinay.com/how-to-enable-bluetooth-headset-microphone-support-in-ubuntu-20-04/ but its for a systemd system | 00:56 |
| ham5urg_ | How to disable pulseaudio with sysvinit, in /etc/init.d is no pulseaudio script | 00:57 |
| diehard_kiwi | Delete the service and reboot? lol | 00:59 |
| ham5urg_ | can't remove pulseaudio as it removes xorg too | 01:02 |
| fsmithred | look in /etc/pulse | 01:02 |
| fsmithred | ham5urg_, in chimaera it's /etc/pulse/client.conf.d/01-enable-autospawn.conf | 01:03 |
| fsmithred | or just remove the package | 01:04 |
| ham5urg_ | Ok, I try to reboot and see if it starts. Never had to do with this thing but it looks ugly. | 01:06 |
| gnarface | debootstrap doesn't give me a bootable system with chimaera anymore. do i have to do something new as a second step now? or maybe i've simply forgotten something important.... | 01:09 |
| fsmithred | gnarface, you have to add kernel, bootloader and root password. (remembering the ones i've forgotten at least once.) | 01:12 |
| gnarface | hmm. might it appear to hang at starting cron if there were no root password? | 01:13 |
| gnarface | it's a pine64 board so kernel and bootloader are manually installed already | 01:13 |
| ham5urg_ | fsmithred I have edited /etc/pulse/client.conf.d/01-enable-autospawn.conf and set it to "no". After reboot it is resetted to "yes". Crazy stuff. | 01:14 |
| fsmithred | do you need pulseaudio? | 01:17 |
| ham5urg_ | No, I want to throw it away | 01:17 |
| fsmithred | apt purge pulseaudio | 01:17 |
| fsmithred | or aptitude purge... if you want it to autoremove the deps. | 01:18 |
| ham5urg_ | This will tear down gnome* too | 01:18 |
| fsmithred | oh, gnome requires it? | 01:18 |
| ham5urg_ | Yes | 01:18 |
| fsmithred | maybe a dummy package would work | 01:19 |
| fsmithred | ever done that? | 01:19 |
| ham5urg_ | I have done this in an Ubuntu system for testing: https://kumarvinay.com/how-to-enable-bluetooth-headset-microphone-support-in-ubuntu-20-04/ | 01:19 |
| ham5urg_ | It works but I can't use systemd/ubuntu | 01:19 |
| ham5urg_ | No, never did a dummy package | 01:19 |
| fsmithred | equivs package would let you make a fake pulseaudio package to satisfy gnome | 01:20 |
| fsmithred | assuming gnome can still function without it. | 01:20 |
| ham5urg_ | Pulseaudio can not (due to Gnome) been disabled? | 01:22 |
| gnarface | something that has worked for me with certain games is, if you can trick it into linking to a copy of libpulse-simple.so.0 that's just a symlink to /dev/null, that might make it fall back on ALSA correctly | 01:22 |
| ham5urg_ | Wayland, Pulseaudio, dark forces at work. | 01:22 |
| gnarface | i guess you need to resolve the package dependency crisis too though | 01:25 |
| ham5urg_ | ok | 01:25 |
| diehard_kiwi | I will die for wayland but I need to fix apt lol | 01:27 |
| diehard_kiwi | I'm reading all the mans but nil | 01:27 |
| ham5urg_ | gnarface, I created a dummy-package. now I would do dpkg -r --force-depends pulseaudio and dpkg -i it again with my dummy. Am I correct? | 01:30 |
| gnarface | ham5urg_: uh.. not sure. fsmithred was the one helping you i think | 01:31 |
| gnarface | ham5urg_: never done this before either | 01:32 |
| gnarface | ham5urg_: (sounds right, assuming those commands do what you imply though) | 01:33 |
| ham5urg_ | I will need to reboot. One min... | 01:34 |
| gnarface | ham5urg_: but that will only solve the install-time dependency afaik. there could be runtime dependency issues after that | 01:34 |
| ham5urg_ | Better no sound than pulseaudio-sound. | 01:36 |
| gnarface | ham5urg_: before you rebooted, i was just saying "but that will only solve the install-time dependency afaik. there could be runtime dependency issues after that" | 01:41 |
| gnarface | ham5urg_: (that's where the libpulse-simple.so.0 symlink trick comes in) | 01:41 |
| ham5urg_ | These "things" like wayland and pulseaudio and similar non-unix-style-rubbish can be thrown out of the repository and also all dependencies. I don't care. And just as I write this I see Pipewire supports flatpak and does not rely on audio and video groups. | 01:44 |
| fsmithred | ham5urg_, give the dummy a high version number and it will replace the original. | 01:44 |
| ham5urg_ | I did | 01:45 |
| ham5urg_ | There is no sound icon anymore | 01:45 |
| fsmithred | I haven't used gnome in about 15 years. | 01:45 |
| fsmithred | so I have nothing to offer there. | 01:45 |
| ham5urg_ | Yes. I will let it go. | 01:46 |
| fsmithred | personally, I would choose sound over gnome, but depends on your use case. | 01:46 |
| ham5urg_ | Yes, I will need sound. Probably xfce will be the new WM for me. | 01:47 |
| diehard_kiwi | I have configured my sources.list to work with multiple different repositories, which all seem to update without fail, yet I still cannot locate any packages for download | 01:48 |
| fsmithred | what do you mean "packages for download"? | 01:48 |
| diehard_kiwi | apt install htop | 01:48 |
| diehard_kiwi | for example | 01:48 |
| fsmithred | what happens? | 01:48 |
| diehard_kiwi | build pkg list.. done building dependency tree... done reading state info... done | 01:49 |
| diehard_kiwi | E: Unable to locate package foo | 01:49 |
| fsmithred | package not found? | 01:49 |
| fsmithred | ok, so sources.list might not be right. Paste it somewhere (not here) | 01:49 |
| diehard_kiwi | Yes or sometimes it fails with foo is invalid candidate | 01:50 |
| fsmithred | paste.debian.net I think | 01:50 |
| diehard_kiwi | Hard to do from tty when I am on my phone lol | 01:50 |
| diehard_kiwi | I can assure you my syntax looks as follows : deb https://foo chimaera-security main contrib | 01:51 |
| diehard_kiwi | or with chimaera-updates | 01:51 |
| fsmithred | and one for just chimaera | 01:52 |
| fsmithred | three in all | 01:52 |
| fsmithred | nc termbin.com 9999 < some-file | 01:53 |
| diehard_kiwi | I have 4 in total, teo with chimaera-security main contrib which point to mirrors and then two which point to deb.devuan with chimaera-updates main contrib | 01:53 |
| fsmithred | chimaera, chimaera-security and chimaera-updates | 01:54 |
| fsmithred | so I guess you want six | 01:54 |
| diehard_kiwi | Just the latter two, because when I tried to append just 'chimaera' the apt-get update would fail | 01:55 |
| fsmithred | having just -updates and -security would explain missing packages. Many missing packages. | 01:55 |
| golinux | Do you have "merged" in that line? | 01:55 |
| fsmithred | oh yeah, that too. | 01:55 |
| diehard_kiwi | Yes otherwise the update fails | 01:55 |
| golinux | The chimaera line | 01:56 |
| diehard_kiwi | apt-get update will fail if not pointed to merged | 01:56 |
| golinux | If you don't have that, none of the Debian pkgs are downloaded | 01:56 |
| fsmithred | sometimes the update fails if you catch it when the server is updating itself | 01:56 |
| fsmithred | just try again in a couple minutes usually works | 01:57 |
| diehard_kiwi | Well no the update passes fine because I give it the correct url but when I try to install i get "E:: Unable to locate package" | 01:58 |
| fsmithred | try 'apt policy <package>' | 01:58 |
| diehard_kiwi | This js to say my sources.list is formstted correctly but for some reason I am unable to pull from the | 01:59 |
| diehard_kiwi | N: Unable to locate package | 01:59 |
| fsmithred | because the chimaera line is missing? | 02:00 |
| fsmithred | need to figure out why update fails with that line | 02:00 |
| diehard_kiwi | No "E:" this time, it's "N:" | 02:00 |
| fsmithred | that's where most of the packages are. | 02:00 |
| golinux | https://www.devuan.org/os/packages | 02:00 |
| fsmithred | I'd have to look that up. | 02:00 |
| golinux | Your sources.list should look the the ones there. | 02:00 |
| fsmithred | E = error, N = ??? | 02:01 |
| diehard_kiwi | Wow, I'm dumb, thanks for the help. | 02:03 |
| fsmithred | yw | 02:03 |
| diehard_kiwi | In all my searching that is the page I needed and couldn't find it lol. Tyvm. | 02:03 |
| fsmithred | brb | 02:03 |
| diehard_kiwi | Wow, devuan idles at less RAM than void out of the box | 02:05 |
| diehard_kiwi | So this recommended packages thing is cool. Is there a command to download them? | 02:07 |
| Hydragyrum | with default config, apt will automatically install recommends (can be disabled with `--no-install-recommends` on command line or with a bit in config file to do so globally), you can also install suggested with --install-suggests | 02:14 |
| golinux | Many consider "recommended" packages bloat. | 02:34 |
| diehard_kiwi | Launching sway freezes my system? | 02:37 |
| diehard_kiwi | Think I found a fix | 02:38 |
| diehard_kiwi | I am getting this error with sway about XDG runtime dir not set but printenv | grep RUNTIME confirms my .rc declarations are in effect. Suggestions? | 02:47 |
| diehard_kiwi | I can confirm that my runtime is set but sway still disagrees. | 03:02 |
| diehard_kiwi | Any sway gurus in the chat? | 03:40 |
| diehard_kiwi | bump | 03:56 |
| * blockhead doesn't use sway, sorry. not even sure what it is -- window manager? | 04:00 | |
| diehard_kiwi | Yes, Wayland version of i3 | 04:05 |
| blockhead | funny thing, right now on the void linux channel, a discussion of sway | 04:09 |
| golinux | I don't ever remember a discussion on sway but you can search the logs. | 04:28 |
| diehard_kiwi | Still no fix for this heckin' window manager. What the puck. | 04:30 |
| diehard_kiwi | mpv sad-90s-mix.mp4 | 04:43 |
| diehard_kiwi | I'm literally sad Homer Simpson right now | 04:44 |
| nemo | sooo seems I need https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/tree/rtw89/rtw8852a_fw.bin for this Lenovo 15ALC05 Realtek 8852 card | 05:00 |
| nemo | Is there a guide by any chance to repacking the chimæra netboot installer with this firmware? | 05:00 |
| fsmithred | nemo, doesn't the installer ask if you want to supply firmware near the beginninf of the install? | 05:06 |
| nemo | fsmithred: problem is getting it on the iso in the first place | 05:06 |
| nemo | fsmithred: I don't have a 2nd USB drive | 05:06 |
| fsmithred | on a separate usb | 05:06 |
| fsmithred | oh | 05:06 |
| nemo | guess I could buy one but.. | 05:07 |
| fsmithred | mount the iso | 05:07 |
| nemo | that part is easy | 05:07 |
| fsmithred | rsync copy the iso to iso/ (or some other name) | 05:07 |
| fsmithred | add the file to the copy | 05:07 |
| fsmithred | repack with xorriso | 05:07 |
| nemo | in firmware/ presumably | 05:07 |
| fsmithred | yeah, look at where the other .bin files are | 05:08 |
| fsmithred | or chroot and install it maybe | 05:08 |
| nemo | ah. I did find a guide on debian website that mentioned xorriso | 05:08 |
| nemo | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CD | 05:08 |
| fsmithred | I think I have some commands that will work. | 05:08 |
| fsmithred | ...that I have used to repack isos | 05:08 |
| nemo | not sure where "isohdpfx.bin" would be though | 05:09 |
| nemo | rest seems straightforward | 05:09 |
| nemo | hm | 05:09 |
| nemo | /usr/lib/isolinux eh | 05:09 |
| nemo | /usr/lib/ISOLINUX/isohdpfx.bin ok | 05:10 |
| nemo | welp | 05:10 |
| nemo | let's see what happens | 05:10 |
| fsmithred | hang on | 05:10 |
| nemo | tmp/devuan_custom# xorriso -as mkisofs -o test.iso -isohybrid-mbr /usr/lib/ISOLINUX/isohdpfx.bin -c boot.cat -b boot/isolinux/isolinux.bin -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table . | 05:10 |
| fsmithred | I'll link a file with a few samples | 05:10 |
| nemo | ah. thanks | 05:11 |
| nemo | that would save a few fails hopefully | 05:11 |
| fsmithred | https://termbin.com/a1wim | 05:11 |
| nemo | nice. gonna keep those handy | 05:12 |
| fsmithred | I didn't look at them now. I was adding a live system to netinstall or mini.iso | 05:12 |
| fsmithred | adjust paths as needed | 05:12 |
| fsmithred | firmware packages go in /firmware in the isos. | 05:13 |
| fsmithred | the actual files go somewhere else | 05:13 |
| nemo | hmmm | 05:14 |
| nemo | was hoping I just needed the .bin | 05:14 |
| nemo | I assumed it was just some magic proprietary bytecode thing | 05:14 |
| fsmithred | you probably do, but finding where to put it is the task | 05:14 |
| fsmithred | look in /lib/firmware | 05:15 |
| fsmithred | wait. it's .bin? | 05:15 |
| nemo | https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/tree/rtw89/rtw8852a_fw.bin | 05:16 |
| nemo | that one I think | 05:16 |
| nemo | might need the rtw89 subfolder | 05:16 |
| fsmithred | the one in ceres is not new enough? | 05:20 |
| nemo | oh. that one is in ceres? I tried the chimaera 4.0 iso and it didn't seem to have it | 05:21 |
| nemo | fine with giving ceres a shot. | 05:21 |
| fsmithred | I don't know if the one in ceres is new enough | 05:24 |
| fsmithred | and i think maybe you need to do something with that .bin file | 05:25 |
| nemo | eh. well. can't hurt to grab a ceres iso and give it a shot I guess | 05:25 |
| nemo | probably slightly easier than fiddling w/ repack and trying to figure out correct place to put it | 05:25 |
| fsmithred | I have rtw88 files, but they are all .ko or .h | 05:25 |
| fsmithred | deadalus iso. | 05:26 |
| fsmithred | there aren't any ceres isos | 05:26 |
| fsmithred | same version in both | 05:26 |
| nemo | ah | 05:26 |
| nemo | yeah. I think rtw88 isn't new enough for this rtw8852 card oddly | 05:27 |
| nemo | weird numbering | 05:27 |
| fsmithred | HA! Here's a comment line from refractasnapshot: | 05:28 |
| fsmithred | If isohdpfx.bin gets moved again, maybe use: isohdpfx=$(find /usr/lib/ -name isohdpfx.bin) | 05:28 |
| fsmithred | I have three possible locations coded in the script. | 05:29 |
| nemo | heh | 05:33 |
| fsmithred | good night and good luck | 05:50 |
| pingpongball | last time i was had problem when migrating from devian to devuan | 10:41 |
| pingpongball | i had got | 10:41 |
| pingpongball | "kernel panic ................ " | 10:41 |
| pingpongball | somebody in here suggested me very well to use chroot to fix problem , using usb iso | 10:41 |
| pingpongball | but rather than fixing problem | 10:41 |
| pingpongball | I again installed debian bullseye browser | 10:42 |
| pingpongball | i mean debian bullseye | 10:42 |
| pingpongball | before that i tried to download devuan chemera, its just annoying than debian installer | 10:42 |
| pingpongball | why is that? | 10:42 |
| pingpongball | isnt they are fork, , | 10:43 |
| pingpongball | debian look to dated old browser | 10:43 |
| pingpongball | i mean | 10:43 |
| pingpongball | debvuan installer looks like dated old 1950s | 10:43 |
| pingpongball | after installation and enabling non-free contrib | 10:44 |
| pingpongball | i've got issue | 10:44 |
| pingpongball | issue was, i couldnt find snap package | 10:44 |
| pingpongball | even after enabling non free | 10:44 |
| pingpongball | but i really hate systemd, | 10:45 |
| ham5urg | Has anyone got a desktop environment without wayland, without pulseaudio but with nice bluetooth-audio support? | 11:27 |
| furrymcgee | macos? | 11:30 |
| ham5urg | desperate times | 11:33 |
| ham5urg | Even xfce pulls pulseaudio in | 11:35 |
| pingpongball | Guys help me | 11:37 |
| pingpongball | After i edited sources.list of debian bullseye | 11:37 |
| pingpongball | root@debian:~# apt-get update --allow-insecure-repositories | 11:37 |
| pingpongball | I get error | 11:37 |
| pingpongball | W: GPG error: http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY BB23C00C61FC752C | 11:37 |
| pingpongball | Please helpme | 11:37 |
| pingpongball | what should i do? | 11:37 |
| pingpongball | W: The repository 'http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera-updates InRelease' is not signed. | 11:38 |
| pingpongball | N: Data from such a repository can't be authenticated and is therefore potentially dangerous to use. | 11:38 |
| pingpongball | N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details. | 11:38 |
| rkta | ham5urg: independent of the DE, what's the goto alternative to pulseaudio with nice bluetooth-audio support? | 11:38 |
| pingpongball | hello | 11:39 |
| ham5urg | pingpongball, do you checked installing the signature? apt-key add ... | 11:40 |
| ham5urg | https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/apt/apt-key.8.en.html | 11:40 |
| pingpongball | This command | 11:40 |
| pingpongball | apt-get install devuan-keyring --allow-unauthenticated | 11:40 |
| pingpongball | But this command is given after ward in devuan wiki | 11:41 |
| pingpongball | when migrating from bullseye | 11:41 |
| pingpongball | https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/chimaera/bullseye-to-chimaera | 11:41 |
| pingpongball | should i just run, | 11:41 |
| ham5urg | rkta, I would like to have a DE without pulseaudio, e.g. I don't have bluetotooth-microphone with pulseaudio. | 11:41 |
| ham5urg | pingpongball, get the keyring-file for your desired repository first | 11:42 |
| pingpongball | help me please | 11:42 |
| pingpongball | Is this you are talking? | 11:43 |
| pingpongball | apt-get install devuan-keyring --allow-unauthenticated | 11:43 |
| pingpongball | or another | 11:43 |
| pingpongball | I've one other additional source called of brave browser | 11:43 |
| pingpongball | How to get keyring-file from desired repository? | 11:44 |
| pingpongball | I've already modified source | 11:45 |
| pingpongball | Modify sources.list to look like the one provided. Comment out all other lines. | 11:45 |
| pingpongball | using this | 11:45 |
| pingpongball | https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/chimaera/bullseye-to-chimaera | 11:45 |
| pingpongball | I see it doesnt mention foradding keyring, except that devuan-keyring | 11:45 |
| pingpongball | what should i do? | 11:45 |
| pingpongball | i'm again scared | 11:46 |
| ham5urg | "The Devuan keyring should now be installed so that the repository and packages can be authenticated." | 11:46 |
| ham5urg | apt-get update --allow-insecure-repositories | 11:46 |
| pingpongball | i ran | 11:47 |
| pingpongball | and update now updated is working | 11:47 |
| pingpongball | :] | 11:47 |
| pingpongball | but i'm scared, previously i've had issue | 11:47 |
| pingpongball | "kernel panic.........." when migrating from bullseye to chemera | 11:48 |
| pingpongball | i hope it wont now | 11:49 |
| pingpongball | :) | 11:49 |
| pingpongball | it is updating | 11:49 |
| pingpongball | i've also ran upgrade, | 11:49 |
| pingpongball | In this | 11:51 |
| pingpongball | A reboot is required to change sysvinit to pid1. | 11:51 |
| pingpongball | Installing new version of config file /etc/init.d/rsyslog ... | 11:54 |
| pingpongball | Error: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.systemd1.NoSuchUnit: Unit packagekit.service not found. | 11:56 |
| pingpongball | Hello @ham5urg, when installing eudev, i've one prompt | 11:57 |
| pingpongball | which display manager to chhose | 11:57 |
| pingpongball | it have gdm3, lightdm, slim | 11:57 |
| pingpongball | what should i choose sir? | 11:58 |
| pingpongball | should i choose slim | 11:58 |
| pingpongball | or lightdm | 11:58 |
| pingpongball | i think gdm is already remove , as gome | 11:59 |
| pingpongball | I've chose slim D: | 12:00 |
| devuaninstaller | guys i've got a live xfce devuan | 14:15 |
| devuaninstaller | but i've got problem | 14:16 |
| devuaninstaller | It is not calamares :( | 14:16 |
| devuaninstaller | I've one partition called "important" which i shouldnt touch. | 14:16 |
| devuaninstaller | I'm confused in this refracta installer | 14:17 |
| devuaninstaller | How can i dont touch my "important partition " | 14:17 |
| devuaninstaller | please help me | 14:17 |
| brocashelm | fsmithred can help you with refractainstaller when he sees this | 14:18 |
| brocashelm | there should be some instructions to guide you through the installation | 14:18 |
| brocashelm | you generally have to create another partition with something like gparted and install devuan there (leaving your "important" partition alone) | 14:19 |
| devuaninstaller | there is no booting based installer, in live | 14:20 |
| devuaninstaller | it was easy than this refracta | 14:20 |
| fsmithred | back | 14:21 |
| devuaninstaller | i've gone to gparted | 14:21 |
| fsmithred | yeah, you can make the partitions before running the installer | 14:21 |
| fsmithred | note that the installer will format the partitions unless you select "Do not format" | 14:22 |
| devuaninstaller | When i click install devuan i get installation option | 14:22 |
| devuaninstaller | I want to have saperate /home partition, i'll tick | 14:22 |
| fsmithred | make a separate partition | 14:22 |
| fsmithred | then select it for /home in the installer | 14:23 |
| fsmithred | if you did not partition ahead of time, you can use gparted from inside the installer | 14:23 |
| devuaninstaller | in g parted In /dev/sda5 i see it is my important partition. | 14:24 |
| fsmithred | leave it alone | 14:24 |
| devuaninstaller | should i format other partition in g parted | 14:26 |
| devuaninstaller | ok there are no option i'mgetting out | 14:26 |
| devuaninstaller | I will not touch sda5 , | 14:26 |
| fsmithred | no option? | 14:26 |
| devuaninstaller | like that selecting / for mount, /home for home /efi , i see it is not in g parted | 14:27 |
| fsmithred | in gparted you create the partition. Formatting it in gparted is optional, because the installer formats partitions by default. | 14:27 |
| fsmithred | assign partitions inside the installer | 14:27 |
| fsmithred | it's linear: it asks where to put OS and where to put /home or /boot if you want them separate | 14:28 |
| fsmithred | if you already have efi partition, leave that one alone, too | 14:28 |
| fsmithred | installer will see it | 14:29 |
| devuaninstaller | I've tick, do not format filesystems , if installer would remove my "important" | 14:29 |
| devuaninstaller | but why devuan choose this installer, even that boot one was good than this | 14:30 |
| devuaninstaller | sir in gparted | 14:31 |
| devuaninstaller | I see there is manage flags | 14:31 |
| fsmithred | you don't need to flag / or /home | 14:32 |
| fsmithred | if you click 'do not format' then you must format the partitions yourself - maybe you already did that in gparted | 14:33 |
| fsmithred | that does not affect any partitions that you do not select. i.e. your important partition will not be touched | 14:33 |
| used____ | Beowulf: package `pcb-rnd`: On gcode export of any pcb (just one part placed for test), I get SIGABRT crash and message: "HID error: pcb called GUI function set_drawing_mode without having a GUI available." -- has anyone seen this message before on Beowulf? What GUI lib causes this? | 15:25 |
| used____ | Ok, that string is in `strings /usr/bin/pcb-rnd` so it's an application error, nobody can see it outside the running app. | 15:28 |
| tech_exorcist | hello | 15:48 |
| fsmithred | if you have a question, just ask | 15:50 |
| tech_exorcist | I don't, I joined the channel because I'm downloading Devuan and plan to install it soon | 15:53 |
| brocashelm | we also have the #devuan-offtopic channel (encouraged to take non-support talk there) | 15:58 |
| tech_exorcist | thanks :) | 16:00 |
| used____ | I thought downloading and installing is on topic here... </me be quiet now> | 16:19 |
| brocashelm | according to the rules, this channel is intended for help with devuan. if you want to talk about anything else, just take it to the other channel. this is so the devs can catch up on the logs for any problems/feedback they might've missed | 16:28 |
| diehard_kiwi | Hey all. So I'm continuing to troubleshoot Sway and I am witnessing some interesting behavior. After confirming that there were no services needing to be enabled, and being unable to track down some elogind/systemd compatibility pack, I nuked it from orbit with apt purge apt-get purge and apt-get autoremove. Just wanted to make sure I was getting | 17:11 |
| diehard_kiwi | rid of all the orphans. Anyway, I tried running sway again, with no seat manager, I got the same result. Complete system lockup. If run with sudo prefix it would fail gracefully with error msg "XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not set. Aborting" This would happen even after steps like export XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/tmp/swaytmp. So I decided to seatd, and now the program | 17:11 |
| diehard_kiwi | still fails, but much more preferably, in that it produces some very helpful error codes, and does not lock up the system, although if I run sudo sway, I still get the error out "XDG... not set. Aborting" | 17:11 |
| diehard_kiwi | So I did a little research and see that it could be an issue with my kernel loading proprietary Nvid drivers, but I don't even have a green card in the slot, much less install their garbage. So I attached the error codes here and I hope that will help: | 17:13 |
| diehard_kiwi | https://0bin.net/paste/xkm4jydx#ZZ9hq+qQt0b1gulLaZdYAceeVz9FpgQtxZSp9+hk2-j | 17:14 |
| diehard_kiwi | bump to keep the session on kiwiirc mobile web client active lol | 17:27 |
| rwp | diehard_kiwi, I know nothing about sway but I see random "XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not set" messages often (I run i3) and it never seems to cause any problems. | 17:30 |
| rwp | Therefore on that particular point I would not get too stressed about trying to avoid it. | 17:31 |
| rwp | When your system is "completely locked up" can you tell if it is responding to the network? Such as by ping and ssh login from a different system on the network? | 17:32 |
| diehard_kiwi | Well it just just doesn't launch. I was literally about to meme on myself because my sys info literally reads "Terminal: /dev/tty1" right now XD | 17:32 |
| rwp | If so then log in and poke around (ps -ef, /var/log/*) and see if something has a clue there. | 17:33 |
| diehard_kiwi | It might be, but I didn't go that far. Just completely unresponsive cannot even switch tty. | 17:33 |
| diehard_kiwi | At this point though the program just errors out with that pastebin contents | 17:34 |
| rwp | I assumed that the entire graphics system was stuck but I think the machine itself might or might not be running otherwise. It can go either way. | 17:34 |
| rwp | But if the system is otherwise responsive then it might be possible to figure out why it is hung up from looking around by an ssh login into the system. | 17:34 |
| diehard_kiwi | Well I was having a similar issue at boot with trying to boot with nouveau | 17:34 |
| diehard_kiwi | I guess I can SSH in with my phone but aren't those error messages enough to debug it? | 17:35 |
| rwp | I know nothing about sway but maybe someone else will know more about it. They couldn't know less about it. | 17:36 |
| diehard_kiwi | No problem I'll be popping in and out b/c I have to use other tabs to look this sucker up haha | 17:38 |
| rwp | Oh and as I read your report again I see that it locked up hard and then you installed seatd and after that it stopped locking up hard but still reported other failures. Gotcha. | 17:38 |
| rwp | I guess not locking up hard is forward progress on the matter. :-) | 17:40 |
| diehard_kiwi | Haha np np | 17:40 |
| diehard_kiwi | Yes exactly lol | 17:40 |
| diehard_kiwi | My thoughts exactly lol | 17:40 |
| diehard_kiwi | export WLR_DRM_DEVICES=/dev/dri/card0 not a fix | 18:16 |
| diehard_kiwi | Is it just easier to rip out the desktop of an xfce server install and try to lay sway over it? | 18:37 |
| nemo | fsmithred: hum. so. copying it to firmware, firmware/rtw89 didn't seem to get it to be picked up | 18:55 |
| nemo | fsmithred: at least, it doesn't show up as an option in the "Detect network hardware" | 18:55 |
| nemo | but then, I have no idea how firmware binaries work, really | 18:56 |
| nemo | heh https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=745238&sid=c33e47fd6c4b101a196bc98b978b4429#p745238 | 19:01 |
| nemo | alrighty | 19:01 |
| nemo | I guess easiest solution is to find out whether devuan unstable might possibly have this card added | 19:02 |
| brocashelm | rtw89 is supported in sid/ceres: https://packages.debian.org/sid/firmware-realtek | 19:10 |
| nemo | oh??? | 19:14 |
| nemo | #debian was telling me it wouldn't be available until .16 | 19:14 |
| nemo | but | 19:14 |
| nemo | https://github.com/lwfinger/rtw89 they were referencing this | 19:14 |
| nemo | lemme see if that model is mentioned | 19:14 |
| nemo | * Realtek RTL8852A firmware, version v0.9.12.2 (rtw89/rtw8852a_fw.bin) | 19:15 |
| nemo | omg!!! | 19:15 |
| nemo | brocashelm: awesome!!! would. uh. ceres have it then? | 19:16 |
| nemo | ideal would be an iso for me w/ minimal effort | 19:16 |
| nemo | welp. lemme see what's on the file site | 19:16 |
| nemo | hmmm don't see anything newer than chimæra ☹ | 19:17 |
| brocashelm | nemo: yes, ceres is unstable | 19:17 |
| nemo | no iso though | 19:17 |
| nemo | maybe fsmithred has one when he comes back | 19:18 |
| nemo | brocashelm: thanks for finding that | 19:18 |
| nemo | *hope* | 19:18 |
| nemo | I guess I could also install sid | 19:18 |
| nemo | then shift to ceres | 19:18 |
| nemo | since they probably have an iso | 19:18 |
| brocashelm | i'm getting firmware-realtek (20210818-1) for ceres | 19:18 |
| brocashelm | do you already use devuan? why not just upgrade to ceres if you want to go that route? | 19:19 |
| brocashelm | or actually, try daedalus (testing) first. same version | 19:19 |
| nemo | brocashelm: this is a brand new laptop | 19:25 |
| nemo | only has a wireless card. no cat5 | 19:25 |
| nemo | brocashelm: #debian says sid unstable .15 does not have rtw89 yet, so in "sney"'s opionion the firmware is just not in sync yet | 19:25 |
| nemo | and I need to wait for .16 | 19:25 |
| nemo | orrr make a hybrid installer | 19:26 |
| brocashelm | ah, ok | 19:27 |
| brocashelm | no way to download the deb file(s) and copy them to a usb device? | 19:27 |
| nemo | hm | 19:28 |
| nemo | brocashelm: not sure how that would work if the kernel didn't have support | 19:28 |
| nemo | it wouldn't even know to load the firmware | 19:28 |
| nemo | I'd have to have an updated module | 19:28 |
| nemo | which I could possibly modprobe in | 19:28 |
| nemo | it might in fact work to do that | 19:28 |
| nemo | not sure if there's a .deb package for that though | 19:28 |
| nemo | brocashelm: https://github.com/lwfinger/rtw89 I think that's what this dude is doing for ubuntu | 19:28 |
| brocashelm | yeah, modprobe might be doable | 19:29 |
| brocashelm | i tried that once for my rtl8812au | 19:29 |
| nemo | I guess I'd have to get sources for the chimæra kernel, then backport the realtek stuff into it, build as module, copy to install media. | 19:30 |
| nemo | wheeeee | 19:30 |
| nemo | this could take a bit | 19:30 |
| nemo | won't be happening before vacation anyway | 19:30 |
| nemo | brocashelm: looks like my best bet is to wait for sid to pick up .16 which might be "soon" | 19:39 |
| nemo | brocashelm: then try to get a ceres iso based on it | 19:39 |
| nemo | brocashelm: if it doesn't look like that's happening in a week or two, then custom module or USB dongle | 19:39 |
| nemo | situation should hopefully resolve itself in a few months anyway | 19:39 |
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