| figtree93 | Hello, is there any recommendations against using Daedalus for my daily machine as I used to use testing debian many years ago as my go to. I have recently been given the opportunity to return to linux on my machine for daily work, or would sticking to Chimaera with backports be more suited for my daily machine? | 00:47 |
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| ShorTie | i'd stick to stable if me | 00:49 |
| figtree93 | Forgot to mention I have a modern NVIDIA gpu and cpu, so would prefer more up to date officially supported drivers | 00:50 |
| ShorTie | stick to windows then | 00:57 |
| figtree93 | I don't use windows | 00:58 |
| gnarface | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=%5Envidia-driver.*&x=submit | 00:58 |
| gnarface | if you're picking based on nvidia driver version, here they are | 00:58 |
| gnarface | daedalus has 470.* but chimaera has 460.*, it's not that much older | 00:58 |
| gnarface | ... and i can't imagine it'll be too long before 470.* or later shows up in chimaera-backports | 00:58 |
| gnarface | chimaera is brand new around here so there's extra risk going past it | 00:59 |
| gnarface | damn. got kicked off the server for that | 01:00 |
| gnarface | wtf | 01:00 |
| gnarface | anyway, i'd recommend trying chimaera first | 01:01 |
| figtree93 | Thanks for the actual useful answer gnarface, think I will stick with Chimaera as it looks like the kernel and nvidia driver are modern enough to support it, cheers | 01:02 |
| gnarface | np | 01:02 |
| gnarface | if it's too old you can always upgrade | 01:02 |
| gnarface | in my experience, by the time the stable one is too old for Battle.net that's usually about the time someone puts the newer one in backports | 01:04 |
| gnarface | (and iirc the official policy upstream is that it must work with everything in the distro, so this usually only relates to commercial or 3rd party software) | 01:06 |
| figtree93 | I don't game on this machine, for some reason the work IT department sent us computers with modern nvidia gpus... Just never had experience with nvidia and don't want to have to fight for my distrobution to support modern hardware. It looks like the current stable just got released and it is all supported by my hardware so no problems :) | 01:09 |
| gnarface | ah good, well cheers then | 01:11 |
| fluffywolf | if no one is using their modern gpus, sell them on ebay and put in non-modern ones. :) | 01:12 |
| figtree93 | It is some gigantic spaceship looking thing from system76, quite frankly I am affraid to open it lol | 01:15 |
| critr | modern gpu's are awful things. if you want to get rid of one, just ask and i'll take it off your hands. i'll even pay the shipping. | 01:24 |
| gnarface | lol, "you don't want that nasty thing, give it to me..." | 01:25 |
| fluffywolf | lol | 01:27 |
| RainDodger | has anyone else been having problems updating their apt cache (using 'apt update' command) via the Devuan's hidden service? Tried with different installations on different hardware and keep getting the same error message: 'Host Unreachable'. Updating cache over clearnet works fine though. Is their hidden service down or something? | 02:20 |
| RainDodger | should mention that my ISP isn't blocking access to Tor since I can still connect to other hidden services just fine. only Devuan's one is giving me problems | 02:20 |
| Xenguy | RainDodger, Thanks for the bug report | 02:22 |
| RainDodger | No problem. I can still update over clearnet so it's not the end of the world, but updating over Tor is definitely my preference | 02:23 |
| Xenguy | Let's see if the powers that be can get it working again | 02:24 |
| RainDodger | I certainly hope so. Being able to update over Tor is a huge bonus for any distro imo | 02:30 |
| critr | would be great since i just restricted all my outgoing traffic to tor. | 02:31 |
| Xenguy | : -) | 02:32 |
| Dima[m] | Hello, how can I safely remove systemd ? I tried to follow devuan "manual" but every time I just broke my system and that's all, I tried to do it on Debian 11 | 10:19 |
| Dima[m] | I don't want to use devuan iso fie because on vps it's hard to ask administrators to give me booted devuan installer, after it I can install system and than I need to ask for help again, because I can't remove iso file myself, it's pain | 10:23 |
| Dima[m] | So I need a working migration | 10:24 |
| Dima[m] | From systemd to other init systems | 10:24 |
| brocashelm | do you have a log of your output? have you made sure your sources.list file only fetches packages from devuan's repository? where exactly during the process does your system break? | 10:28 |
| rrq | Dima[m]: https://git.devuan.org/rrq/buster-to-devuan | 10:29 |
| RainDodger | Hey just touching base about that bug with the hidden service earlier. Just checked and it's working fine now. Thanks guys | 10:50 |
| GyrosGeier | I switched using aptitude | 11:20 |
| GyrosGeier | but I have no idea if that still works | 11:21 |
| Dima[m] | <rrq> "Dima: https://git.devuan.org/rrq..." <- I will try it, thank you | 11:22 |
| samuraikid | I added the ceres repo on daedalus, but kde discover still doesn't show highlights apps | 12:34 |
| critr | did you apt update? | 13:05 |
| samuraikid | yes, not that noob :v i made it to work on chimaera but no way on daedalus | 13:21 |
| samuraikid | edit: has i had installed flatpak, i had to change the "make favorite" on discovery to flatpak and change it back, cheers | 17:32 |
| jason1234 | hello | 21:24 |
| jason1234 | bug bug urgent | 21:24 |
| jason1234 | please fix that mess urgently, if possible, wehen you can .. fast if possible. | 21:24 |
| jason1234 | we need to run teams. | 21:24 |
| jason1234 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 21:24 |
| jason1234 | xfce4 : Depends: xfce4-settings (>= 4.12.0) but it is not going to be installed | 21:24 |
| jason1234 | Depends: xfce4-session (>= 4.12.0) but it is not going to be installed | 21:24 |
| jason1234 | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packagesK | 21:24 |
| jason1234 | under ascii. amd64. | 21:25 |
| gnarface | uh | 21:25 |
| brocashelm | have you tried: apt-get -f install | 21:25 |
| gnarface | under ascii? this seems unlikely to be for real | 21:25 |
| jason1234 | it is | 21:25 |
| jason1234 | i am pro devuan | 21:25 |
| jason1234 | i did debootstrap. | 21:26 |
| gnarface | but ascii is ancient, it's unlikely that it's actually got a broken dependency on xfce | 21:26 |
| gnarface | there must be some user error here | 21:26 |
| jason1234 | it does not matter than it is ancient. | 21:26 |
| jason1234 | people <--- we are people | 21:26 |
| gnarface | well it does in the sense that thousands of other people have already installed it before you | 21:26 |
| jason1234 | i test more. | 21:26 |
| gnarface | it matters in the statistical sense | 21:27 |
| jason1234 | most people use a cdrom... this is baby testing. | 21:27 |
| brocashelm | i'd also check for any essential packages that are being held by aptitude/apt preventing installation of xfce4, or if you might have done some experimental apt pinning | 21:27 |
| gnarface | jason1234: could you show me the whole debootstrap command you used? | 21:27 |
| jason1234 | it happends about 1 week ago. | 21:27 |
| jason1234 | can we have a mirror of pkg list from 2 weeks ago? | 21:28 |
| gnarface | jason1234: this is a fresh empty dir you're running debootstrap on that gives you this error? | 21:28 |
| jason1234 | debootstrap --no-check-gpg --include=wpasupplicant ascii . http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged | 21:28 |
| gnarface | why --no-check-gpg? | 21:28 |
| jason1234 | still the same... | 21:29 |
| gnarface | i don't think that's what's causing this but if it was being caused by a failed attempt to MITM then --no-check-gpg would be quite dangerous | 21:29 |
| jason1234 | man, this happened about each one or two years the broken pkg list. | 21:29 |
| gnarface | very weird but maybe someone was just changing disks on the server or something. have you tried it today? | 21:29 |
| gnarface | also, are you using an apt proxy? | 21:29 |
| jason1234 | it happened this week | 21:30 |
| jason1234 | last week or about 2 wweeks it was fine. | 21:30 |
| jason1234 | xfce4 : Depends: xfce4-settings (>= 4.12.0) but it is not going to be installed Depends: xfce4-session (>= 4.12.0) but it is not going to be installed | 21:30 |
| jason1234 | i have a rootfs working, on my pc. | 21:30 |
| gnarface | fsmithred: what's the chances this is a problem with the ascii repo? ^^^^ | 21:31 |
| jason1234 | i will make it, i dont depend on you. | 21:31 |
| jason1234 | however, please in future, make sure to test. | 21:31 |
| gnarface | jason1234: i'd like you to run this again right now just to know if it's still failing like that | 21:31 |
| jason1234 | ok, put back the 2 weeks ago pkg list | 21:31 |
| jason1234 | I create a new partition | 21:32 |
| gnarface | jason1234: note that if you're using deb.devuan.org instead of pkgmaster, sporadic failures while the repos are upgrading packages are not uncommon.... do you really think the ascii packages have changed in the last 2 weeks? | 21:32 |
| gnarface | jason1234: none of this should be happening with ascii | 21:32 |
| gnarface | (afaik anyway) | 21:32 |
| gnarface | jason1234: i'd also try it without the --include | 21:33 |
| jason1234 | ok, I fixed it locally | 21:34 |
| jason1234 | here is the magic. | 21:34 |
| jason1234 | this list of packages for xfce just works fine (2 weeks ago likely): https://termbin.com/kcr1 | 21:34 |
| gnarface | can you just /msg it to me? | 21:35 |
| gnarface | the list, not the link | 21:35 |
| gnarface | i don't work here, and i still don't think anything should have changed in ascii that could have done this, but i'm confident someone will look into it | 21:36 |
| jason1234 | hum ok, but with /msg ? how you paste a text ? | 21:36 |
| jason1234 | gnarface: thank you | 21:36 |
| gnarface | if you /msg me to open the chat tab, you should be able to paste an arbitrary amount of text into the text field of that tab | 21:37 |
| jason1234 | this is the reason that i mirror all working installation, last year during covid, your ascii package was broken. I was in such a hell to not debootstrap. | 21:37 |
| jason1234 | ok | 21:37 |
| jason1234 | roger! | 21:37 |
| gnarface | i do recommend making backups | 21:37 |
| gnarface | rate limiting will slow your /msg paste to me but i'm patient | 21:38 |
| jason1234 | yeap | 21:41 |
| jason1234 | backups | 21:41 |
| jason1234 | i know that | 21:41 |
| jason1234 | ;) | 21:41 |
| jason1234 | I discovered it ... | 21:41 |
| gnarface | is there any possibility that xfce packages from another version got mixed in there accidentally somehow? | 21:41 |
| jason1234 | my gitlab has all mirrored ! | 21:42 |
| gnarface | maybe xfce backports or something? | 21:42 |
| jason1234 | nope, i use main only | 21:42 |
| gnarface | and nothing hanging over from a previous release? | 21:42 |
| jason1234 | let's push all debs | 21:44 |
| jason1234 | surely, now, I format always before. | 21:44 |
| jason1234 | *surely, not, cuz i format | 21:44 |
| gnarface | now, when it fails you have tested a second time immediately, right? | 21:45 |
| gnarface | temporary failures with some of these repos are common due to various circumstances... | 21:45 |
| jason1234 | this is the major probelm with debian ... nothing never work. | 21:46 |
| gnarface | they do have problems with their repos too, but they have a lot more of them to spread around the risk too | 21:47 |
| jason1234 | i mirror on gitlab! this working config | 21:47 |
| gnarface | last time i was using debian i think there was over 150 official repos and we've got 15 | 21:48 |
| jason1234 | debain = nothing works, by defintion. | 21:48 |
| gnarface | all kinds of stuff works you just gotta know what | 21:48 |
| golinux | PEBKAC? | 21:49 |
| gnarface | the fact it doesn't always work when it does work though, i feel you there... that happens a lot on the releases where packages change a lot... not so much on ascii these days though i would think | 21:49 |
| jason1234 | debian is not but unstable thing... good luck to follow debian... seriously. | 21:50 |
| jason1234 | ok, all fixed on my installation. i can run teams for tomorrow: please find the mirror of the sda2, working from 2 weeks ago: https://gitlab.com/openbsd98324/ascii/-/tree/main/linux/devuan/ascii/amd64 | 21:53 |
| * Xenguy piles into bjb 's car... | 21:57 | |
| jason1234 | btw, since >=chimaera,... bookworm, I have lost interests in using debian based software. it is too unreliable. I prefer LFS. At least, I know it works. Modern Debian has nothing in common with Unix. | 22:08 |
| jason1234 | ascii was my last devuan until eol. | 22:08 |
| Xenguy | Suit yourself | 22:09 |
| jason1234 | It started with "su - " ;) | 22:09 |
| Xenguy | I always did it that way anyway, so it was inconsequential for me | 22:10 |
| jason1234 | it is not unix | 22:10 |
| Xenguy | *nix has different dialects, let's say | 22:10 |
| jason1234 | it just works | 22:13 |
| jason1234 | on bsd, we have no issue like cert issue | 22:13 |
| jason1234 | kodi on aarch64,. failed. failed to open "zone.tab". | 22:24 |
| FilipZ | Hi! How I can change my window appearance back from "Clearlooks-Phenix-Deepsea" to the default motive? I just clicked that once by mistake, and it is the only option here among the window appearances. | 22:26 |
| gnarface | hmmm, well there's an easy way to fix the part about there only being one option... | 22:30 |
| FilipZ | Then how to do that and return the default one? | 22:30 |
| gnarface | not sure about the returning to default part | 22:31 |
| gnarface | only guess would be maybe uninstall that theme | 22:31 |
| gnarface | there | 22:31 |
| jason1234 | lxappearance is good one if you use lx | 22:31 |
| gnarface | there's gotta be an easier way though, maybe a user directory config file to delete | 22:31 |
| gnarface | lxappearance might work | 22:31 |
| jason1234 | gtk-chtheme was the older generation - about 10 years ago | 22:32 |
| gnarface | if it's just the gtk theme part, the files are ~/.gtkrc* | 22:33 |
| gnarface | for gtk 1 and 2 anyway | 22:33 |
| gnarface | gtk3 is in .config/gtk-3.0 | 22:33 |
| gnarface | i'm not sure if other stuff might reference the theme too though | 22:33 |
| gnarface | i don't know xfce that wall | 22:34 |
| gnarface | well* | 22:34 |
| FilipZ | I am using xfce | 22:34 |
| FilipZ | How do I uninstall this theme? | 22:35 |
| jason1234 | it is likely into /usr/share... | 22:36 |
| gnarface | well the theme package names all end in -theme | 22:38 |
| gnarface | i wouldn't recommend just deleting stuff... it's strongly advised to remove the package if you want something uninstalled | 22:38 |
| FilipZ | I have a 19 folders in "/usr/share/themes/" | 22:39 |
| gnarface | dpkg -l |grep theme | 22:39 |
| FilipZ | Why is only that one visible? | 22:39 |
| jason1234 | normally you will have all to select into lxappearance, here any exqmaple from my desktop: https://postimg.cc/gallery/SbBzZGK | 22:39 |
| gnarface | FilipZ: that's a good question, and it might be important if you have lots of themes installed | 22:39 |
| FilipZ | I don't remember changing anything about the motives before. I am confused as to why such a stupid issue like that even happens. Shouldn't it be a simple, basic setting, accessible in that "appearance", to be changed to one of the preinstalled graphic motives, and back to the default one? | 22:43 |
| gnarface | yea, i agree... | 22:49 |
| aitor | jason1234, if i understood well, you're trying to build your own images of ascii and you ran into an error using debootstrap... | 22:50 |
| aitor | i'm referring to this comment: xfce4 : Depends: xfce4-settings (>= 4.12.0) but it is not going to be installed Depends: xfce4-session (>= 4.12.0) but it is not going to be installed | 22:55 |
| jason1234 | no no | 22:55 |
| jason1234 | i did : format, debootstrap and apt-get install xfce4 | 22:55 |
| aitor | ok, anyway, i think that the origin of the problem is in a missing package, a missing dependency of xfce4-settings and xfce4-session | 22:56 |
| jason1234 | bravo ;) ! yeap | 22:57 |
| aitor | that is: libupower-glib3 (>= 0.99.0) | 22:57 |
| aitor | the package doesn't exists | 22:57 |
| jason1234 | since ascii is eol or soon or later, almost, the question, is why we still touch it ... when something works, dont touch it | 22:58 |
| aitor | wait... | 23:02 |
| aitor | nope... it's missing i guess | 23:04 |
| jason1234 | ok, i prepared my sda4 with it . ... once you have a new pckage list, let me know. i will test it. | 23:08 |
| jason1234 | for now, it is broekn, I will be back on sunday or saturday. tomorrow, i havent much time. | 23:09 |
| jason1234 | thank youv er y much and all best. | 23:09 |
| jason1234 | good night ! | 23:09 |
| jason1234 | thanks | 23:09 |
| aitor | g'night | 23:12 |
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