| sabas3dgh | hello | 06:17 |
|---|---|---|
| sabas3dgh | does devuan provides gnome 3 iso? | 06:17 |
| Xenguy | Good question | 06:17 |
| Xenguy | I wonder where the ISO's are | 06:18 |
| sabas3dgh | Xenguy; Please let me know if you find that out | 06:19 |
| Xenguy | This is worth a look: https://files.devuan.org/ | 06:19 |
| sabas3dgh | Xenguy; what is the latest devaun code name | 06:37 |
| Xenguy | Current stable is Chimaera | 06:37 |
| sabas3dgh | I can't seem to find the gnome iso. | 06:41 |
| adhoc | sabas3dgh: consider using mate instead gnome | 06:46 |
| sabas3dgh | adhoc: why? | 06:46 |
| Xenguy | sabas3dgh, Good idea, you get Gnome2, before Gnome3 kinda jumped the shark... | 06:49 |
| golinux | Gnome is available post-install | 06:49 |
| Xenguy | That's what I use myself, MATE | 06:49 |
| Xenguy | golinux, good to know! | 06:49 |
| sabas3dgh | What is available when you install devuan? what desktop? | 06:52 |
| Xenguy | I think the default is XFCE, but all the other standard desktops can be pulled in, if need be | 06:53 |
| Xenguy | I use MATE as an alternative, for example | 06:53 |
| golinux | From: https://www.devuan.org/os/ | 06:54 |
| golinux | Desktop Environments Default: Xfce | 06:54 |
| golinux | Alternate: Cinnamon, KDE, LXQt, MATE | 06:54 |
| golinux | Others: available post-install | 06:54 |
| Xenguy | Nice | 06:54 |
| golinux | sabas3dgh: There are posts on the forum about gnome. | 06:55 |
| Xenguy | Here be dragons! | 06:55 |
| golinux | ? | 06:55 |
| Xenguy | You should probably just boycott GNOME | 06:56 |
| Xenguy | But some people just can't resist | 06:56 |
| golinux | Not the place for that discussion. ;) | 06:56 |
| Xenguy | Nevertheless! | 06:56 |
| Xenguy | Nevertheless, very well | 06:57 |
| monokrome | hey all | 07:59 |
| monokrome | I am trying out Devuan, just got it installed but it seems to not properly detect my GPU support in the AMD drivers - it seems to be loading vesa (I think?) | 08:01 |
| monokrome | http://sprunge.us/DjJZG7 is my log if anyone has ideas | 08:03 |
| monokrome | n/m - I had to delete the xorg "radeon" driver because it was being selected before amdgpu | 08:24 |
| monokrome | <3 | 08:24 |
| critr | not sure what card you have, but i have to install firmware-amd-graphics for my old card to work right. | 08:27 |
| u-amarsh04 | monokrome - I have a radeonsi card and build a kernel to use the amdgpu module for it | 08:33 |
| u-amarsh04 | requires CONFIG_DRM_AMDGPU_SI=y and on the kernel command line have: amdgpu.si_support=1 radeon.si_support=0 | 08:35 |
| u-amarsh04 | plus to avoid the radeon module being loaded I blacklist it | 08:35 |
| u-amarsh04 | e.g. have a file called /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf with entry: blacklist radeon | 08:37 |
| sabas3dgh | Devuan Chimaera is DownloadING | 08:37 |
| sabas3dgh | ... | 08:37 |
| monokrome | critr: it looks like all I needed to do was uninstall the "radeon" driver because X was choosing it before "amdgpu" | 08:38 |
| monokrome | my card is RX 9600 XT | 08:38 |
| sabas3dgh | should I build my own kernel in devuan. is it required? 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) | 08:39 |
| sabas3dgh | Do I get HW accel with this card? | 08:39 |
| u-amarsh04 | monokrome I also have a minimalist /etc/X11/xorg.conf | 08:43 |
| raindodger | Just as a note: To get some hardware working, you may need to add the nonfree repos to your sources.list file. You can get more information about that here: https://www.devuan.org/os/packages#additional-repositories | 08:45 |
| raindodger | Scroll up a little to see the note about nonfree repos | 08:47 |
| u-amarsh04 | monokrome, my /etc/X11/xorg.conf: | 08:47 |
| u-amarsh04 | Section "Device" | 08:47 |
| u-amarsh04 | Identifier "Radeon Cape Verde" | 08:47 |
| u-amarsh04 | Driver "amdgpu" | 08:47 |
| u-amarsh04 | EndSection | 08:48 |
| u-amarsh04 | maybe do the same with Driver "radeon" instead of amdgpu if you are running a radeon gpu | 08:48 |
| monokrome | sabas3dgh: It's definitely not required. I personally wouldn't recommend unless you need to compile a module into it that isn't available otherwise | 08:50 |
| pingpongball | !devuan | 10:26 |
| pingpongball | !devuan | 10:26 |
| pingpongball | !devuan | 10:26 |
| pingpongball | !distrotube | 10:26 |
| sabas3dgh | Hi | 11:19 |
| sabas3dgh | I am installing devuan right now. Couple of questions if you may! | 11:20 |
| sabas3dgh | First which sysinit should I choose | 11:20 |
| sabas3dgh | Which one is more robust? / which one has more support packages wise? | 11:21 |
| adam_free2air | maybe first try the default sysvinit to begin with? | 11:22 |
| sabas3dgh | I am familiar with Linux in general | 11:23 |
| sabas3dgh | I used openRC for sometime | 11:23 |
| u4t | yah sysvinit is the most robust and has good package compatibility | 11:23 |
| u4t | it doesn't have the most features | 11:24 |
| u4t | openrc doesn't include its own init replacement | 11:24 |
| u4t | runit is a replacement for both init and rc*, and seems to boot and shutdown faster than openrc, at least for me | 11:25 |
| u4t | runit also has initscripts compatibility | 11:25 |
| sabas3dgh | u4t what about package support on runit? | 11:26 |
| u4t | in theory it should be as good or better than sysvinit/initscripts | 11:26 |
| u4t | (or whatever the traditional rc* package is called) | 11:27 |
| sabas3dgh | Could I change this after install? | 11:27 |
| u4t | yes | 11:27 |
| sabas3dgh | No side effects no clean up? | 11:27 |
| u4t | i did a switch from openrc to runit a couple of weeks ago and it was painless | 11:27 |
| u4t | sabas3dgh: most likely, yes | 11:28 |
| u4t | if you've got a bunch of manually installed scripts it might be more difficult, but if they're written well it will Just Work(TM) | 11:28 |
| sabas3dgh | OK. Another question! What the he'll is GNOME Flashback | 11:31 |
| sabas3dgh | In software selection | 11:31 |
| sabas3dgh | Xfce ... mate ... GNOME flashback | 11:32 |
| u4t | it's gnome 2.x-style stuff for gnome 3.x | 11:32 |
| sabas3dgh | I see. So no way to install GNOME 3 from the get go. | 11:32 |
| sabas3dgh | I was told that earlier | 11:33 |
| u4t | well mate is gnome 3.x-style stuff for gnome 3.x :P | 11:33 |
| sabas3dgh | u4t one way of looking at it | 11:34 |
| u4t | mate = gtk3 + gnome3 -> gnome3 style; gnome flashback = gtk3 + gnome3 -> gnome2 style; xfce = gtk2 - gnome -> similar to gnome2 style | 11:35 |
| sabas3dgh | I have a gpt partition table on bios system. I do have grub_bios partition. When it asks to install Grub2. Where should I select? | 11:35 |
| sabas3dgh | That grub_bios partition? | 11:35 |
| fsmithred | no | 11:35 |
| fsmithred | mbr | 11:35 |
| fsmithred | grub will know what to do with that partition | 11:36 |
| sabas3dgh | It is not mbr. It is gpt | 11:36 |
| sabas3dgh | Now I am confused | 11:36 |
| fsmithred | something like /dev/sda should work | 11:36 |
| u4t | do you have an "mbr" option for where to install grub2? | 11:36 |
| u4t | also: are you set up for uefi boot? | 11:37 |
| sabas3dgh | u4t I don't know. I am not there yet | 11:37 |
| sabas3dgh | I is retrieving bunch of packages | 11:38 |
| sabas3dgh | 📦 | 11:38 |
| sabas3dgh | I was stunned, when I saw the retro installer | 11:39 |
| sabas3dgh | I thought something most be broken | 11:39 |
| sabas3dgh | 🙄 | 11:39 |
| sabas3dgh | Is Wayland being installed by default? | 11:43 |
| fsmithred | you're installing daedalus? | 11:47 |
| sabas3dgh | fsmithred; no the latest devuan desktop amd64 iso about 3.5GB | 11:51 |
| fsmithred | stable or testing? 4.0 or 5.0? | 11:53 |
| sabas3dgh | I went and downloaded 4.0 | 11:54 |
| fsmithred | ok, you get xorg | 11:54 |
| fsmithred | I didn't know that gnome flashback was in tasksel in chimaera. | 11:54 |
| sabas3dgh | Yay | 11:56 |
| sabas3dgh | I am in. | 11:56 |
| fsmithred | cool | 11:56 |
| sabas3dgh | fsmithred thank you 😊 | 11:56 |
| fsmithred | yw | 11:59 |
| sabas3dgh | How to add nonfree and extra repositories? | 12:08 |
| fsmithred | edit /etc/apt/sources.list | 12:10 |
| fsmithred | so that instead of 'main' it says 'main contrib non-free' | 12:11 |
| fsmithred | withotu the quotes | 12:11 |
| fsmithred | maybe a clicky way to do it in synaptic | 12:11 |
| sabas3dgh | No extra? | 12:11 |
| fsmithred | extra? | 12:11 |
| sabas3dgh | No. terminal is fine | 12:11 |
| fsmithred | is that an ubuntu term? | 12:12 |
| sabas3dgh | Yup | 12:12 |
| fsmithred | just contrib and non-free like debian. Those are the extras. | 12:12 |
| sabas3dgh | Good to know 👍 | 12:16 |
| sabas3dgh | I have rtl8192eu wifi USB dongle | 12:25 |
| sabas3dgh | Any way to make it work | 12:25 |
| sabas3dgh | dmesg says failed to load rtlwifi/rtl8192eu_nic.bin | 12:26 |
| fsmithred | install firmware-realtek (probably) | 12:36 |
| sabas3dgh | Hello again | 12:44 |
| sabas3dgh | I installed devuan 4 and with it mate desktop. | 12:45 |
| sabas3dgh | inside the control center; the date and time section throws GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freedesktop.timedate1 was not provided by any .service files | 12:47 |
| sabas3dgh | is it normal? | 12:47 |
| sabas3dgh | as it is I can't set my date& time. | 12:47 |
| sabas3dgh | and firefox refuses to show me web pages as my computer date/time is off | 12:47 |
| sabas3dgh | anyone of you guys have the same issue? | 12:49 |
| onefang | I use ntpd to set the time. | 12:54 |
| onefang | Er ntpd. | 12:54 |
| fsmithred | the GDBus errors are normal. We don't use .service files. | 13:00 |
| sabas3dgh | fsmithred: I though that could be related to the systemd | 13:09 |
| sabas3dgh | thank you | 13:09 |
| sabas3dgh | onefang: how? | 13:13 |
| fsmithred | install ntp and edit /etc/ntp.conf to include a few timeservers | 13:14 |
| fsmithred | or... | 13:14 |
| fsmithred | uh.. they changed it. Was ntpdate. | 13:14 |
| fsmithred | now ntpdig or something like that | 13:14 |
| fsmithred | that just runs one time, to set the time at boot or manually | 13:15 |
| fsmithred | ntpsec-ntpdate is the new name | 13:15 |
| fsmithred | but just plain old ntp package is the daemon that will keep time always | 13:16 |
| sabas3dgh | fsmithred: So the ntp package. I have to install it first? | 13:17 |
| fsmithred | maybe. Depends on what you answered during the system install. | 13:17 |
| fsmithred | dpkg -l | grep ntp | 13:18 |
| fsmithred | will show installed packages with ntp in the name (or version) | 13:18 |
| sabas3dgh | fsmithred: don't have ntpsec-ntpdate; just ntpdc and ntpq | 13:31 |
| fsmithred | those are part of ntp package | 13:34 |
| fsmithred | /etc/init.d/ntp status | 13:37 |
| fsmithred | should say that it's running | 13:37 |
| furrymcgee | how is it even supposed to work? https://sources.debian.org/src/systemd/249.7-1/src/timedate/org.freedesktop.timedate1.service/?hl=11#L11 | 13:39 |
| onefang | Um, I just install ntpd and it works. shrugs | 13:45 |
| sabas3dgh | fsmithred: yes it says running | 13:49 |
| sabas3dgh | and where is visudo | 13:50 |
| sabas3dgh | not it the packages as far as I can tell. | 13:50 |
| sabas3dgh | and Liking mate so far. | 13:51 |
| sabas3dgh | thanks to the person(s) that suggested it. | 13:51 |
| adam_free2air | sabas3dgh: i find apt-file useful for finding utilities where i'm not sure which package they 'live' in ) | 13:51 |
| sabas3dgh | still not gnome though | 13:51 |
| sabas3dgh | adam_free2air: thanks. i will remeber that | 13:51 |
| fsmithred | you say that like it's a negative | 13:51 |
| adam_free2air | different dists - especially across the RH/debian divide seem to package certain things differently | 13:52 |
| sabas3dgh | adam_free2air: yes; I have that issue right now | 13:52 |
| sabas3dgh | fsmithred: no all positive here. | 13:52 |
| adam_free2air | apt-file search visudo returns 'sudo' package on chimaera | 13:54 |
| fsmithred | and it won't be vi, it'll be nano | 14:02 |
| _ds_ | Of those two, I'd sooner use nano. | 14:03 |
| fsmithred | or you could just drop a file into /etc/sudoers.d/ and leave the main config file alone. | 14:03 |
| sabas3dgh | _ds_: yes. nano is easier. but vim is a good choice. isn't it. thanks for the tip. I just figured it out saw the editor isn't vim-like. | 14:15 |
| used____ | Ok, this is now a critical bug. Beowulf with latest kernel every reboot changes the order of disk naming, sda sdb, where there are disks on ATA and on SATA interfaces. | 14:25 |
| used____ | This is not something one can ignore, even rebooting a new installation not done with UUIDs is not possible, disk order will throw a spanner into fstab setup. | 14:26 |
| used____ | What idiots came up with disk renaming anyway. | 14:26 |
| onefang | Um, use UUIDs and ignore it. | 14:26 |
| _ds_ | There may not be any renaming going on. | 14:26 |
| onefang | Or use labels and ignore it. | 14:27 |
| _ds_ | The order in which the probing is completed may vary across reboots, and that would be enough to mess with the naming. | 14:28 |
| sabas3dgh | /usr/sbin/ is not in the path. Is this intentional as a security method. | 14:34 |
| sabas3dgh | or something wrong with my installation | 14:34 |
| sabas3dgh | any ideas? | 14:40 |
| used____ | I refuse to "use uuids and ignore it", there is no uuid on the disk which needs to be sleep set. It has no partition table / is raw/ | 14:41 |
| used____ | NO MORE systemd "solutions" on #devuan please | 14:41 |
| used____ | Neither labels nor UUIDs are a proper solution. Serial numbers may be. | 14:41 |
| used____ | sabas3dgh: /usr should only have locally installed things, debian iirc puts nothing there. | 14:42 |
| used____ | If you need it, add it to your boottime or user path. | 14:42 |
| used____ | At least *BSD* sticks to da0 etc naming which locates the name to a specific device interface and the names do not change over reboots. | 14:43 |
| used____ | A simple way to "fix" this breakage is to record serial numbers in rc.local at boot time, and write a serial number table to device name mapping to disk, to be used by other scripts. | 14:46 |
| used____ | Of course this answers what the devices were at this session, not what they were in the one before it. | 14:46 |
| used____ | Any automated install script not using UUIDs or disk labels, i.e. anything which uses raw disks for anything, will fail and eventually write over the wrong disk if not checking every time. | 14:47 |
| used____ | This is so broken it beggars belief. | 14:47 |
| used____ | More insults: in syslog, sda sdb etc are recorded as found, but the serial numbers ARE NOT. Instead, 5 lines of other useless gibberish referring to the disk IS recorded. | 14:50 |
| used____ | "useless" is being polite here. | 14:51 |
| djph | sabas3dgh: that's normal for a non-root account. | 14:54 |
| djph | used____: ... what? | 14:54 |
| used____ | djph: ? Did you read what I wrote? | 14:56 |
| used____ | There is no way to guarantee /dev/sda will still be /dev/sda after a reboot, if there is no uuid or disklabel in use (raw disk) | 14:56 |
| djph | used____: yeah, either I'm missing context, or need more coffee though. | 14:56 |
| used____ | No problem, take it easy. 01.01 | 14:57 |
| djph | ... so you have a non-partitioned disk that moves around. That is known (and certainly undesired) behavior. IIRC, it's to do with the enumeration (and response times?) of the hardware on boot. | 14:58 |
| djph | although, it's been forever since I've dealt with it -- was the kernel 2.x days, or early 3.x(?) maybe | 14:59 |
| used____ | So: The linux kernel breaks the assumption that on the same machine, the disk raw device name (sda sdb etc) will be the same across reboots. The only fix I can see for now is to script /sbin/hdparm /dev/sd{a,b,c,d,...} to extract a table mapping sd${x} to SerialNo= and store that in perhaps /tmp or log it with logger, so scripts can find what was going on in the current boot session and also what they | 14:59 |
| used____ | were working with in the *previous* boot session. | 14:59 |
| used____ | djph: it has to do with syslog recording kernel logs without serial numbers, while recording other bs nobody reads. | 15:00 |
| used____ | As a 1st stopgap measure. | 15:00 |
| used____ | Note that hdparm -i wakes any sleeping disks. | 15:00 |
| used____ | So running a script "whenever needed" to get the name<->serial mapping is not a good idea. | 15:00 |
| used____ | Imagine what havoc this remapping does when automated installs are in progress and power goes out and comes back. | 15:01 |
| djph | wait, you're losing unformatted disks when they spin down? | 15:02 |
| djph | ... that also sounds "normal" | 15:03 |
| djph | I mean, cycling USB drives does that as well... (or maybe it really is abnormal, and I just don't pay enough attention...) | 15:04 |
| used____ | Cycling usb drives is another thing. | 15:05 |
| used____ | I am talking non removable drives, USB or not. | 15:05 |
| sabas3dgh | Do we have group *wheel* in devuan.? | 15:11 |
| onefang | Is that the group for spinning rust? B-) | 15:12 |
| used____ | grep wheel /etc/group -> 1 (no) | 15:17 |
| used____ | maybe you need daemon or operator or staff ... | 15:19 |
| * used____ just realized soft updates in UFS (FreeBSD) remove the certitude of directory moves/renames as atomic operations. Argh. | 15:19 | |
| djph | used____: right, so the kernel would lose the enumeration if the drive goes to sleep. To my understanding, that's somewhat normal with SATA; and why filesystems moved to getting UUID markers | 15:20 |
| sabas3dgh | Guys; a nice fact. I was reading that MacOS fonts (by design) doesn't include complete rendering information. So in linux they won't draw as good. but I tried SNF font in linux. the sure look good. any ideas! | 15:29 |
| sabas3dgh | on Wayland better than X11 | 15:30 |
| sabas3dgh | good days; the infinality days. | 15:32 |
| sabas3dgh | I missed it. | 15:32 |
| used____ | djph: the solution exists, it is simple, why do I have to rediscover it? | 15:32 |
| sabas3dgh | any trick to make fonts in devuan better looking. sharper, more crisp | 15:32 |
| sabas3dgh | any ideas guys? | 15:33 |
| used____ | Even in serial number less devices (usb sticks), one can use the tuple if:subif:serial to get a unique id | 15:33 |
| used____ | sabas3dgh: find out the native resolution of your monitor and ensure your X11 uses the same resolution. | 15:33 |
| fsmithred | sabas3dgh, in xfce menu, Settings, Appearance, Fonts | 15:35 |
| sabas3dgh | used____: ensure your X11 uses the same resolution. **How**? | 15:36 |
| sabas3dgh | fsmithred: no noticable difference | 15:36 |
| sabas3dgh | noticeable | 15:36 |
| fsmithred | there are several things you can change there | 15:36 |
| used____ | djph: cat /sys/block/sda/dev does report a device (attached interface) number to name mappping, still unusable w/o a serial | 15:37 |
| used____ | sabas3dgh: how: xdpyinfo|less -> dimensions: | 15:39 |
| sabas3dgh | used____: I have the first part figured out. the second part? do I need to tweak xorg config? if yes; then How? | 15:41 |
| sabas3dgh | thanks | 15:41 |
| used____ | fsmithred: I can't find an equivalent in eudev for things like `/usr/bin/udevinfo -q all -p /block/sdb` -- is there some package I need to install? | 15:42 |
| used____ | sabas3dgh: normally just check they are right, both equal. | 15:42 |
| fsmithred | used____, I don't know | 15:42 |
| used____ | sabas3dgh: dmidecode is usually needed to find out what the monitor can do, and dmi table data i frequently buggy | 15:42 |
| fsmithred | apt-file find udevinfo | 15:43 |
| fsmithred | libhd-doc: /usr/share/doc/libhd-doc/html/structs__udevinfo__t.html | 15:43 |
| used____ | sabas3dgh: In Settings -> Display , what's the reported running size? | 15:43 |
| used____ | Also click "Identify Displays" | 15:43 |
| used____ | Assuming xfce4 | 15:43 |
| sabas3dgh | 1366x768 60hz | 15:44 |
| used____ | sabas3dgh: and what does xdpyinfo report? | 15:44 |
| sabas3dgh | LVDS-1 | 15:44 |
| used____ | xdpyinfo|grep dimensions: | 15:45 |
| used____ | fsmithred: so install libhd-doc I understand? | 15:45 |
| fsmithred | there's no executable listed | 15:45 |
| fsmithred | just some doc | 15:45 |
| sabas3dgh | dimensions: 1366x768 pixels (361x203 millimeters) | 15:46 |
| used____ | No, there is no exec. Maybe there's a workaround? | 15:46 |
| used____ | sabas3dgh: ok, so that is sorted, now binr up the monitor's menu and see if there are options such as pixel clock or aliasing or such | 15:46 |
| used____ | *bring up | 15:46 |
| used____ | sabas3dgh: that's on the monitor's buttons not in linux. | 15:46 |
| sabas3dgh | used____: yes I will check | 15:46 |
| used____ | pixel clock phase | 15:47 |
| sabas3dgh | oh; it is a laptop no such things | 15:47 |
| used____ | Oh. | 15:47 |
| used____ | Hm. | 15:47 |
| fsmithred | what's the graphics chipset? | 15:47 |
| fsmithred | intel, amd or nvidia? | 15:47 |
| used____ | http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/clock_phase.php what does this show you sabas3dgh ? | 15:48 |
| * used____ just readjusted his monitor for the occasion .... that page is USEFUL | 15:50 | |
| sabas3dgh | VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) | 16:07 |
| fsmithred | possibly installing xserver-xorg-video-intel and/or firmware-misc-nonfree might help | 16:18 |
| sabas3dgh | fsmithred: thanks. I just remembered from your reply. Is it possible to install intel-microcode in devuan? | 16:21 |
| fsmithred | sabas3dgh, yes, and it's even called intel-microcode | 16:24 |
| fsmithred | bbl | 16:28 |
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