| libredev | Is openrc support is stable ? | 05:42 |
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| libredev | Or should i use sysvinit for stability. | 05:43 |
| gnarface | define stable? | 05:48 |
| gnarface | all the packages are stable in the sense that they shouldn't change enough to break anything nor should they be expected to crash under normal usage | 05:50 |
| gnarface | the ones in the stable branch that is | 05:50 |
| gnarface | sysvinit might have more user support available | 05:50 |
| gnarface | if you just mean whether they're committed to keeping openrc, yea it's stable | 05:53 |
| gnarface | if you expect to need help with it, i can personally help you much easier if it's sysvinit but ymmv | 05:54 |
| gnarface | it isn't really the type of decision you're required to commit to at install time. you can install it afterwards if you like. | 05:56 |
| libredev | gnarface: thanks | 06:19 |
| sabas3dgh | Hello; | 07:04 |
| sabas3dgh | after a night of font searching for GUI. I can confirm (beside a bunch of paid fonts) ubuntu font family look very good inside devuan mate desktop. | 07:06 |
| sabas3dgh | thanks all | 07:06 |
| sabas3dgh | Go devuan !!! | 07:06 |
| sabas3dgh | Is compiz a windows manager or just compositor | 08:25 |
| sabas3dgh | if So where should I look for compiz themes? | 08:26 |
| Deknos | is the ubuntu font family free, sabas3dgh ? | 08:29 |
| Deknos | free as in free beer and as in free speech? | 08:30 |
| sabas3dgh | Deknos: free is free/Open software. | 08:30 |
| sabas3dgh | Deknos: | 08:31 |
| sabas3dgh | https://www.cufonfonts.com/search/ubuntu | 08:31 |
| Deknos | nice! | 08:31 |
| sabas3dgh | this for gui https://www.cufonfonts.com/font/ubuntu | 08:32 |
| Deknos | wait a minute, free for personal use is not free as in free beer+speech. | 08:32 |
| sabas3dgh | free period. Deknos | 08:41 |
| sabas3dgh | it comes with ubuntu | 08:41 |
| libredev | Deknos: ubuntu font is not free software. | 08:48 |
| libredev | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(typeface)#Ubuntu_Font_Licence | 08:49 |
| libredev | It is not even open source | 08:50 |
| libredev | Don't use that, instead use Dejavu | 08:50 |
| sabas3dgh | Fedora and Debian have reviewed this license and converged on interpreting it as non-free due to incomplete or ambiguous use and modification permissions | 08:58 |
| gnarface | sabas3dgh: i think it's a whole window manager now, but minus the window decorator, which you pick separately and then use whatever themes its toolkit uses | 09:23 |
| gnarface | sabas3dgh: i think for a while it was just a compositor paired with some other window manager, but i don't know if that's merged in now or if it is something new | 09:24 |
| gnarface | sabas3dgh: i think the package in the repos called compiz is what was previously called compiz-fusion | 09:24 |
| gnarface | (and i don't think it was actually in the repos before that, but not sure) | 09:25 |
| sabas3dgh1 | gnarface: it is there also. fusion I mean | 10:12 |
| gnarface | sabas3dgh1: you sure about that? i'm not seeing it anywhere in beowulf or later | 10:51 |
| gnarface | sabas3dgh1: only fusion-icon, which has a description strongly implying it's still for compiz | 10:51 |
| gnarface | the fusiondirectory stuff doesn't seem related | 10:51 |
| gnarface | (if you got those ubuntu fonts you mentioned from a ubuntu apt source you could have got some stowaways in your package cache though) | 10:53 |
| leafwiz | Hey. I'm trying to install chimaera from netinstall but i get a download file failed. I can see in my proxy loggs that the requests seem to go to the right url. is the site down? or is there maybe something with https? | 11:41 |
| leafwiz | 111 10.107.42.46 artix-live.skrivere.ihelse.net TCP_MISS/200 34188 GET http://deb.devuan.org/merged/dists/chimaera/InRelease - HIER_DIRECT/deb.devuan.org 195.85.215.180 -|Debian%20APT-HTTP/1.3%20(2.2.4+devuan1)|-| | 11:42 |
| leafwiz | 111 10.107.42.46 artix-live.skrivere.ihelse.net TCP_MISS/416 716 GET http://deb.devuan.org/merged/dists/chimaera/InRelease - HIER_DIRECT/deb.devuan.org 195.85.215.180 text/html|Debian%20APT-HTTP/1.3%20(2.2.4+devuan1)|-| | 11:42 |
| leafwiz | From my proxy log | 11:44 |
| leafwiz | In my syslog log file I getg - Release file for xxx/merged/dist/chimaera/InRelease is not valid yet (invalid for another 724d 18h..) Updates for this reposityr will not be applied. | 11:48 |
| djph | leafwiz: sounds like you have the wrong date/time. | 11:49 |
| leafwiz | aha.. | 11:49 |
| leafwiz | yeah, that is true | 11:49 |
| djph | once you fix that, you should be alright | 11:50 |
| leafwiz | Jupp. Makes sense. | 11:50 |
| leafwiz | Okay, thank you | 11:50 |
| djph | good luck :) | 11:51 |
| sabas3dgh1 | gnarface: Yes I see it it its config. It uses emerald themes | 11:55 |
| sabas3dgh1 | gnarface: No I just copy paste the font onto the relevant directory. | 11:56 |
| Guest39 | djph: Installing now:) Found out that busybox date command needs the time string in a specific way | 12:49 |
| Guest39 | Hey, So my install of Devuan went well. Only, when I boot the machine, I first get "Invalid partition table!" I press a key, and it boots okay | 14:15 |
| Guest39 | The machine is a Dell Precision Tower 5810, and I have turned UEFI off. e.g. it is in legacy boot | 14:15 |
| Guest39 | the HD is set as the first device to boot from | 14:16 |
| Guest39 | but still I get this message | 14:16 |
| Guest39 | its like grub is an addon to something that used to be there. | 14:16 |
| Guest39 | Sorry, never mind. I just needed to set my disk partition as active | 14:20 |
| adhoc | Guest39: heh, happens to the best of us =) | 14:21 |
| ham5urg_ | I'm using daedulus and trying to do a "echo "hello" | festival --tts" but get a "ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1035:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave" and "aplay: main:831: audio open error: Device or resource busy". I'm using pipewire. What device do I have to specify? Within festival-shell (if it can be called like that) a """festival> (Parameter.set 'Audio_Command "aplay $FILE --client-name=Festival --stream-name=Speech")""" | 14:41 |
| ham5urg_ | is my actual command | 14:42 |
| sabas3dgh | I have a strange problem. | 15:53 |
| xrogaan | so you say. | 16:15 |
| Tenkawa | as the saying goes "need the info" | 16:20 |
| admins | hello guys | 17:44 |
| admins | I was saying I have an strange problem | 17:44 |
| admins | strted about 23hrs ago. hexchat/Pidgin will freeze shortly after connecting to irc channels (not after login to liberachat). | 17:45 |
| admins | they freeze and won't accept any kind of input. the cpu usage will spike and I have to htop my way out of them. | 17:46 |
| admins | I can't imagine what would be the problem what to look and who to report it to. | 17:47 |
| admins | right now I am inside irssi. and very confused and upset! | 17:47 |
| djph | I'd imagine the devs for those applications | 17:50 |
| djph | ... although, isn't pidgin abandoned? | 17:50 |
| Tenkawa | pidgin had an update about a year ago officially | 17:51 |
| djph | oh, nice. | 17:52 |
| admins | thing is pidgin as working good for 3 days now. | 17:52 |
| Tenkawa | no.. even better | 17:53 |
| admins | should I install devuan (clean install) again? | 17:53 |
| Tenkawa | 2.14.8[1] / 14 October 2021; 2 months ago | 17:53 |
| Tenkawa | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pidgin_(software) | 17:53 |
| Tenkawa | according to | 17:53 |
| Tenkawa | my copy was was 1 point release behind | 17:54 |
| admins | no; Pidgin is under active development | 17:55 |
| Tenkawa | yeah I like pidgin.. its just the gui is not quite as clean as Adium or I'd use it on my Mac. Adium annoys me | 17:57 |
| admins | beside hexchat and Pidgin; what other irc GUI client is available for devuan? | 18:02 |
| djph | no idea, I use irssi | 18:02 |
| * Tenkawa logs into his devuan box and looks | 18:04 | |
| Tenkawa | kvirc loqui smuxi weechat are a few others | 18:07 |
| sabas3dgh | Tenkawa, which one you suggest? | 18:14 |
| Tenkawa | I haven't used any of them | 18:20 |
| sabas3dgh | what happened to pidgin is beside me. | 18:27 |
| hagbard | Hi, is there a way to install devuan with encrypted root ( / on dm_crypt )? This seems to be impossible with the current installer (daedalus). An encrypted partition and a filsesystem with mountpoint / can be created just fine with the installer, also a sepearate unencrypted /boot. | 18:36 |
| hagbard | But it doesn'st seem to setup initramfs in such a way that it can boot. During boot, it never asks for the passphrase, waits for a root-fs until timeout, compains about a nonexisting uuid and fails. | 18:38 |
| hagbard | This did work just fine numerous times before with the debian installer. | 18:38 |
| hagbard | Tried it numrous times, and tried to repair it with the rescue mode of the installer, but ran out of ideas. | 18:39 |
| Tenkawa | sabas3dgh: right now I'm just trying to figure out how to get it to start from the dock/desktop without needing a terminal window | 18:40 |
| Tenkawa | brb.. switching to it though for now | 18:42 |
| Tenkawa | there we go | 18:48 |
| Afdal | What's the easiest way to pass a directory argument to a bash script... | 19:19 |
| Afdal | $(1)/blah? | 19:20 |
| Afdal | Where $(1) is my directory argument? | 19:20 |
| Afdal | lol, that did something weird | 19:21 |
| Afdal | Ah, had to remove the () | 19:28 |
| GyrosGeier | you can use ${1} | 19:32 |
| GyrosGeier | but $(1) is equivalent to `1` | 19:32 |
| GyrosGeier | except you can nest it | 19:32 |
| Tenkawa | this works well too.. | 19:32 |
| Tenkawa | sudo -i "$@" | 19:32 |
| GyrosGeier | "$@" is very special | 19:32 |
| Tenkawa | well $1 is arg 1 only | 19:33 |
| Afdal | $(1)/blah makes it ignore the parameter as a direction and instead starts looking from root | 19:33 |
| Afdal | so it tries to perform operations on /blah | 19:33 |
| Tenkawa | so thats not "technically" a directory | 19:33 |
| Afdal | $1/blah works how I want it to though | 19:33 |
| Tenkawa | soon as you hit a space $1 will break | 19:33 |
| Afdal | :} | 19:33 |
| Tenkawa | if your dir name was "this dir" that wouldn;t work | 19:34 |
| Tenkawa | er ' | 19:34 |
| GyrosGeier | $(1)/blah is `1`/blah. There is no command "1", so its output is empty, and an error message should be generated | 19:38 |
| Tenkawa | btw stop using `1`.. that has a completely different meaning than '1' or "1" | 19:48 |
| fsmithred | that's why he's using it | 19:48 |
| Tenkawa | fsmithred: he wants to "execute" it? | 19:49 |
| fsmithred | I don't know, but $(1) is same as `1` | 19:49 |
| Tenkawa | umm no | 19:49 |
| fsmithred | no? | 19:49 |
| Tenkawa | no | 19:49 |
| fsmithred | oh. | 19:49 |
| fsmithred | I've used them interchangeably for years | 19:49 |
| fsmithred | on-screen, $(x) is better for people to see | 19:50 |
| fsmithred | how are they different? | 19:50 |
| Tenkawa | $(1) shows you a command `1`.. does it | 19:50 |
| Tenkawa | watch.. | 19:51 |
| Tenkawa | I'll show you an example | 19:51 |
| Tenkawa | what shell are you using too btw? I'm using zsh atm. ksh and bash act differently too on these (especially ksh) | 19:55 |
| fsmithred | bash | 19:55 |
| Tenkawa | I'll admit I'm wrong and out of date on my scripting... this didn't use to work for () when I used it years ago... only on `` | 19:58 |
| Tenkawa | interesting | 19:58 |
| Tenkawa | good to know... thanks for the info.. this could come in handy | 19:59 |
| fsmithred | yw | 20:00 |
| fsmithred | (not sure what I did) | 20:00 |
| Tenkawa | fsmithred: you showed me () works... back 20 years ago last time I tried it ... it wasn't working | 20:00 |
| fsmithred | yeah, a few things have changed since then | 20:01 |
| Tenkawa | yeah I'm old | 20:01 |
| fsmithred | that's about when I started with linux | 20:01 |
| Tenkawa | programming/coding isnt my string suit... infrastructure/hardware/debugging is | 20:01 |
| Tenkawa | heh I started in 93 | 20:01 |
| fsmithred | mine neither, but I do it anyway. | 20:02 |
| Tenkawa | started unix in 79 though | 20:02 |
| Tenkawa | lol | 20:02 |
| Tenkawa | ok.. back to meson.. time to see if I can fix this build | 20:03 |
| fsmithred | good luck | 20:03 |
| Tenkawa | thanks | 20:04 |
| sabas3dgh | fsmithred, what is busybox and what is used for? | 20:05 |
| sabas3dgh | and thast a bummer with pidgin ... I really really liked it .. Tenkawa | 20:06 |
| fsmithred | apt show busybox | 20:06 |
| Tenkawa | sabas3dgh: I'm building a new build right now to try to optimize it. I found a really good "workaround" for my window problem lol | 20:07 |
| Tenkawa | so thats taken care of | 20:08 |
| Tenkawa | now its optimization time | 20:08 |
| Tenkawa | going to be M1 optimized too lol | 20:11 |
| sabas3dgh | Tenkawa, what? atuim? | 20:16 |
| Tenkawa | eh? not familiar with atuim | 20:16 |
| sabas3dgh | Tenkawa, what are you building for M1? | 20:17 |
| Tenkawa | the updated pidgin | 20:17 |
| sabas3dgh1 | Tenkawa: can I used it in intel X64? | 20:21 |
| sabas3dgh1 | your end result? | 20:21 |
| Tenkawa | "my" copy is going to be m1 only unfortunately | 20:23 |
| Tenkawa | there's already a copy in homebrew though of the newest version | 20:24 |
| Tenkawa | and I think "checking devuans" | 20:24 |
| Tenkawa | ouch their's is behind | 20:25 |
| Tenkawa | but it would be very easy to update | 20:25 |
| fsmithred | hagbard, you are correct. Encrypted install in daedalus is broken. I just tried it, got initramfs prompt on first boot. | 20:38 |
| fsmithred | So I booted netinstall iso to rescue mode, executed a shell in the installed system and installed cryptsetup and cryptsetup-initramfs | 20:39 |
| fsmithred | that fixed it. | 20:40 |
| hagbard | nice | 20:40 |
| fsmithred | I had a really hard time making the encrypted partition | 20:41 |
| fsmithred | kept going in circles | 20:41 |
| fsmithred | just did manual, single encrypted with separate unencrypted for /boot | 20:42 |
| hagbard | took me some tries to get a filesystem on the encrypted partition as well | 20:42 |
| fsmithred | I have a video of the procedure. I will check and see if it looks different. | 20:42 |
| hagbard | it somehow failed to create an ext4 on the encrypted dm_crypt/Partition, had to remove and recreate it a couple of times, for it to suddenly work | 20:43 |
| hagbard | I suppose it's possible to spawn a shell during installation, and install those two packages manually. | 20:47 |
| fsmithred | http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/misc/partition_encrypt-4.ogv | 20:48 |
| fsmithred | yes, you could install them before the installer ends | 20:49 |
| fsmithred | Go Back usually brings you to the full menu, and 'open a shell' is a choice. | 20:50 |
| fsmithred | hagbard, I filed a bug report. Package name is devuan-installer. I don't have a number yet. | 21:10 |
| hagbard | Thanks a lot for doing so, fsmithred | 21:11 |
| fsmithred | root | 21:17 |
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