| sadoon_albader[m | Packages don't typically install stuff to var and etc correct? | 05:46 |
|---|---|---|
| xrogaan | no, they do. | 05:50 |
| sadoon_albader[m | I'm downgrading a sid install to bullseye as part of my work on a bullseye and chimaera for ppc and ppc64 | 05:51 |
| sadoon_albader[m | I wanna keep all my old configs, it seemed to boot fine so far lol | 05:52 |
| sadoon_albader[m | var seems to be causing this minor issue, but I don't see why etc isn't migratable.. | 05:53 |
| sadoon_albader[m | Success, but I was absolutely mental to forget that I had the system hibernated before booting into the now downgraded OS. | 06:00 |
| libredev | Is your goal is only init freedom ? | 07:53 |
| libredev | Or u also want to make devuan lightweight, fast, simple. | 07:54 |
| libredev | like focus more on command line instead of gui | 07:54 |
| libredev | Writing good documentation like arch or gentoo | 07:55 |
| gnarface | the primary goal is to undo damage done to debian in order to retain reverse compatibility | 07:58 |
| gnarface | packages aren't forked unless necessary to that end, and economically feasible | 07:59 |
| libredev | And why u stopped documentation | 07:59 |
| gnarface | documentation patches would go upstream to debian, because the documentation packages are not forked ... most the packages aren't, infact | 08:00 |
| gnarface | there's a forum though | 08:00 |
| gnarface | is there documentation you're specifically looking for? | 08:01 |
| libredev | No, but i will like documentation on sysvinit | 08:05 |
| gnarface | it does exist; https://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts | 08:22 |
| gnarface | i think there's a devuanized copy somewhere, but this part didn't change for devuan | 08:23 |
| sabas3dgh | Hello people. howdy :D | 15:28 |
| sabas3dgh | How could I install kotlin in devuan. | 15:28 |
| sabas3dgh | it says snap package which I don't want. OR SDKMAN which doesn't set the PATH properly causing tools like dart or flutter to complain and fail ( kotlin is not in your PATH) (SDKMAN mess everything) | 15:29 |
| sabas3dgh | any ideas people? | 15:30 |
| Tenkawa | I'm digging to see if there's a repo for us to build a deb out of it for devuan | 15:36 |
| Tenkawa | (I'd be testing it on arm but it would still be a good proof of concept) | 15:36 |
| Tenkawa | ok think I found it | 15:37 |
| Tenkawa | Building | 15:38 |
| Tenkawa | The project is built with Gradle. Run Gradle to build the project and to run the tests using the following command on Unix/macOS: | 15:38 |
| Tenkawa | ok. lets see if I can build this | 15:38 |
| Tenkawa | https://github.com/JetBrains/kotlin | 15:38 |
| Tenkawa | yes I have way too much free time | 15:39 |
| Tenkawa | heheh thats a "big" src repo | 15:46 |
| Tenkawa | at 50% it was 875mb | 15:47 |
| Tenkawa | granted I have a few multi-gb ones.. | 15:48 |
| sabas3dgh | Tenkawa, Hi man; how's everything with you today | 16:04 |
| Tenkawa | Its building.. I'll let you know if it runs and if it can be packaged | 16:04 |
| Tenkawa | not bad... you? | 16:04 |
| sabas3dgh | good thank you | 16:04 |
| sabas3dgh | the thing is we have Kotlin-compiler-1.6.10.zip and kotlin-native-linux-x86_64-1.6.10.tar.gz | 16:05 |
| Tenkawa | if so it should just be using their build instructions then the dpkg archiving deb building ones then installing | 16:05 |
| sabas3dgh | the former makes JVM bytecode and the later makes Native OS binary | 16:05 |
| sabas3dgh | I did this | 16:06 |
| Tenkawa | I just want to see if this will even be doable on a non-systemd from src to deb | 16:06 |
| sabas3dgh | export KOTLIN_HOME=/home/admins/Applications/Kotlinc | 16:06 |
| sabas3dgh | export PATH=$PATH:$KOTLIN_HOME/bin | 16:06 |
| sabas3dgh | Tenkawa, it doesn't need systemd. why should it. | 16:07 |
| Tenkawa | you'd be surprised at how lazy some of the writing the builders have gotten over the years | 16:08 |
| sabas3dgh | it would be something! | 16:08 |
| Tenkawa | and its sneaked in there (thats why I'm testing it end to end) | 16:08 |
| Tenkawa | this is also what I did for a living so its what I'm use to | 16:09 |
| Tenkawa | building on a rpi4-8gb is still not the fastest | 16:10 |
| Tenkawa | heheh | 16:10 |
| Tenkawa | I should've powered up my i7 lol | 16:10 |
| sabas3dgh | Tenkawa, I don't questioned your method. I just surpised for systemd (maybe) beinging in the mix. | 16:35 |
| Tenkawa | it probably doesn't... but I assume "nothing"... first rule of good software development. Take ot from someone who did it for 25 years | 16:36 |
| Tenkawa | er it | 16:36 |
| Tenkawa | first time you assume could be the time it bites you and the beginning of the end. I have seen it | 16:37 |
| sabas3dgh | Well. Yor are right. totally right. | 16:39 |
| sabas3dgh | Love working with RPI. | 16:39 |
| sabas3dgh | nice idea to use it as build box. | 16:40 |
| Tenkawa | uggh finding java6 for arm is also not fun | 16:40 |
| Tenkawa | its too old | 16:40 |
| sabas3dgh | why java 6/ | 16:40 |
| sabas3dgh | ? | 16:40 |
| Tenkawa | that ide wants jav6 | 16:40 |
| Tenkawa | er java6 to build | 16:40 |
| sabas3dgh | Tenkawa, the ide being what? | 16:40 |
| Tenkawa | kotlin requires gradle which requires java6 to build it | 16:41 |
| Tenkawa | on this platform | 16:41 |
| Tenkawa | remember I'm on arm64 | 16:42 |
| Tenkawa | gradle is failing because java6 can't be found | 16:42 |
| Tenkawa | which is valid.. its not in the repo | 16:43 |
| Tenkawa | I'm about to go add it | 16:43 |
| sabas3dgh | arm64! I am not familiar with software availability in arm64 eco-system. AGAIN I "assume"ed ..... | 16:43 |
| sabas3dgh | :D | 16:43 |
| Tenkawa | almost everything I do is arm/arm64 | 16:44 |
| sabas3dgh | Tenkawa, is it possible to write modern software apps inside arm64-linux exosystem? | 16:45 |
| Tenkawa | oh definitely | 16:45 |
| Tenkawa | all of Apple's stuff now is ARM (M1) | 16:45 |
| sabas3dgh | C/C++ I think so. but like QT development. I am not sure... (if the software versions are that old) | 16:45 |
| * Tenkawa is typing from a M1 Mac right now | 16:46 | |
| sabas3dgh | brb have to reboot to set system path again | 16:47 |
| sabas3dgh | messed it bad right now | 16:47 |
| onefang | I have written apps using just my smartphone. There's at least two Android apps for that. That counts as ARM64. So yes it's possible. | 16:55 |
| onefang | I also had a Debian VM running on that phone. Ordinary dev environment runs fine in that. | 16:55 |
| Tenkawa | onefang: arm64 to arm64 is so much nicer now than x86_64 desktop to arm64 was lol | 16:56 |
| Tenkawa | it is staggering | 16:56 |
| onefang | It's on my TODO to install Devuan on my current phone, but I need to root it first. I think. | 16:57 |
| Tenkawa | even a nested vm is 10x faster | 16:57 |
| wikan | guys,i need to install experimental kernel because i need audio drivers | 16:58 |
| wikan | i can't setup sources.list for experimental | 16:58 |
| wikan | can you tell me what is a name of that repo? | 16:58 |
| onefang | I turned an embedded x486 into a dev environment, so the government could audit the code using the device itself. I think there's still 32 bit Devuan that should run on it. | 16:59 |
| Tenkawa | wikan: what release? | 16:59 |
| wikan | Tenkawa: daedalus | 16:59 |
| Tenkawa | daedalus doesnt have a experimental pool | 17:00 |
| onefang | Coz Daedalus isn't released yet. | 17:00 |
| Tenkawa | only contrib main and non-free | 17:00 |
| wikan | so the kernel should be the "newest" for debian-like oses? | 17:00 |
| onefang | Yep. | 17:00 |
| wikan | asking, because audio was working on previous ver experimental repo | 17:01 |
| onefang | Should be, it's 2 AM I should be in bed. lol | 17:01 |
| * Tenkawa just builds his own with dpkg-buildpackage for these situations | 17:01 | |
| wikan | so i do upgrade ;) | 17:01 |
| onefang | Good luck. I'm of to bed. | 17:01 |
| * wikan is upgrading system (-.-).zzZZ | 17:10 | |
| Tenkawa | hehehe | 17:14 |
| sabas3dgh | hello | 17:19 |
| sabas3dgh | hi Tenkawa | 17:19 |
| sabas3dgh | I am setting up vscode to work with kotlin | 17:19 |
| sabas3dgh | right now | 17:19 |
| Tenkawa | hey... I'm rebuilding one of my spare x86's right now with devuan.. I've been intending to for a while | 17:20 |
| wikan | something is wrong | 17:24 |
| wikan | audio don't work via alsa, pulse gives PIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII that hurts as hell | 17:24 |
| Tenkawa | dmesg say anything useful? | 17:31 |
| wikan | nope | 17:34 |
| wikan | alsamixer shows about 40 bars - none of them is usful | 17:34 |
| wikan | pavucontrol PIIIIIIps on speacer, is silent on headphone | 17:35 |
| wikan | trying to find what sound card exactly it is but it is too hard for me to google this info for slimnote 15.6 | 17:35 |
| wikan | i only found info about rt driver and it is found - rtl8723bs | 17:36 |
| wikan | but what the hell that BEEEP is | 17:36 |
| Tenkawa | rtl8723bs is a network card not audio | 17:41 |
| wikan | i have found only that it is Intel High Definition compatible | 17:41 |
| Tenkawa | The Realtek RTL8723BS-VQ0-CG is an 802.11bgn 2.4G single-chip that integrates Wireless LAN (WLAN) and a network SDIO interface controller with integrated Bluetooth 2.1/3.0/4.0 controller. It combines a WLAN MAC, a 1T1R capable WLAN baseband, and WLAN RF in a single chip. | 17:41 |
| wikan | snd_soc_rt5651 | 17:42 |
| wikan | snd_soc_sst_bytcr_rt5651 | 17:42 |
| Tenkawa | thats completely different | 17:42 |
| Tenkawa | thats the Intel(R) Baytrail and Baytrail RT5651 driver | 17:43 |
| Tenkawa | for soundcards | 17:43 |
| wikan | it is in sound line | 17:43 |
| wikan | of lsmod | 17:43 |
| wikan | alsamixer shows default:1 intell hdmi/dp lpe audio lol | 17:44 |
| wikan | default is bytcr-rt5651 | 17:45 |
| wikan | i have no idea how to make it works | 17:45 |
| Tenkawa | in your terminal if you do a dmesg | grep firmware does it say you are missing any? | 17:45 |
| wikan | nope, it says it load intel/fw_sst_22a8.bin | 17:46 |
| wikan | it is driver from firmware-intel-sound pkg | 17:47 |
| Tenkawa | ok good.. sometimes it doesn't load from alsa withouta reconfigure | 17:48 |
| wikan | good or not it sucks ;) | 17:49 |
| wikan | for that PIIIIIIIIp even volume control doesn't work at all | 17:49 |
| wikan | you can torture ppl with this sound | 17:50 |
| wikan | alsamixer shows weird controls, like ADC, DAC, DD, HPO, HPOVOL, IF, LOUT, RECMIXL and many many many many many more | 17:51 |
| wikan | it was workin with previous version - dunno if alsamixer because it was working on pulseaudio | 17:52 |
| wikan | i was upgrading system and something happen with internal storage chip... or system remounted /root partition to readonly mode | 17:54 |
| wikan | not sure if it was storage fail... if it was maybe sound card is broken | 17:54 |
| Tenkawa | oh if it remounted to ro then you probably have a broke install atm | 17:55 |
| Tenkawa | you need to ensure that apt-get dist-upgrade finishes cleanly | 17:55 |
| Tenkawa | and set a fsck to run on your filesystems | 17:56 |
| wikan | thats why i reinstalled all | 17:56 |
| Tenkawa | oh this was before the reinstall | 17:56 |
| Tenkawa | ok | 17:56 |
| Tenkawa | did you install chimaera? | 17:57 |
| wikan | i don't remember what i did previous time to get this sound card work but for sure i was installing experimental kernel | 17:57 |
| wikan | this is what I hate - these stupid names :| | 17:57 |
| wikan | dunno, really | 17:57 |
| Tenkawa | what kind of machine are you installing on? very few should not be supported nowadays | 17:57 |
| wikan | kiano slimnode 15.6 | 17:58 |
| Tenkawa | wikan: these "stupid" names is how you keep things from running all over each other and running into a big puddle mess | 17:58 |
| wikan | i preffer just 11.1, 11.2, 11.3 | 17:58 |
| wikan | easy to remember. I am not english speaker. I easy forget these weird names. | 17:59 |
| Tenkawa | btw chimaera isnt a english word | 17:59 |
| wikan | numbers are the easest way to remember what version I had, have or plain to install | 18:00 |
| wikan | sorry, these name is most stupid idea I know. Thats my opinion. | 18:00 |
| wikan | i don't even remember what chimera is | 18:01 |
| wikan | current stable or what, have no idea and must check everytime | 18:01 |
| brocashelm | yes | 18:01 |
| wikan | i know i installed testing now | 18:02 |
| brocashelm | current stable release (devuan 4) | 18:02 |
| wikan | and "testing" is easy to remember ;) | 18:02 |
| brocashelm | i use "unstable" and i agree ;) | 18:02 |
| Tenkawa | eek... need my power cable for second unit.. brb | 18:04 |
| wikan | installed testing because I need drivers, previously available as experimental | 18:04 |
| brocashelm | yeah, having access to newer drivers/packages is party of why i made the switch | 18:04 |
| brocashelm | i have little to no complaints | 18:05 |
| brocashelm | *part of | 18:05 |
| Tenkawa | there we go | 18:06 |
| Tenkawa | you don't "need" experimental... they are all in the kernel.. you just need to learn how to build kernel packages | 18:07 |
| Tenkawa | and I am fairly certain thats on the Devuan wiki | 18:08 |
| wikan | must try ubuntu :| | 18:44 |
| wikan | no way to configure sound | 18:44 |
| Tenkawa | no.. you don't "wan't" to | 18:47 |
| Tenkawa | I just told you how to above | 18:48 |
| Tenkawa | btw you should be using pulseaudio not alsa | 18:50 |
| Tenkawa | afk for a bit | 18:52 |
| Tenkawa | back.. | 19:41 |
| Tenkawa | sabas3dgh: still around? | 19:41 |
| raindodger | Apparently not | 20:15 |
| Tenkawa | heheh | 20:24 |
| Tenkawa | indeed | 20:25 |
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