| Tenkawa | daedalus is still a pre-release isn't it? | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| rrq | yes | 00:00 |
| Tenkawa | thought so | 00:00 |
| plasma41 | rrq: nevermind, I made an off-by-one error when converting from Debian to Devuan codenames in my head. | 00:03 |
| Tenkawa | i confirmed too just now that daedalus only has the main (contrib main non-free) pools right now | 00:04 |
| Tenkawa | like they should | 00:04 |
| * rrq unping LeeePen :) | 00:05 | |
| rrq | -e | 00:05 |
| plasma41 | I blame Debian for having three 'B' releases in a row. :-P | 00:09 |
| Xenguy | fang, You can't have that nick, there is only onefang | 00:11 |
| Xenguy | = ) | 00:11 |
| fang | heh | 00:11 |
| Xenguy | 8 -D | 00:11 |
| Tenkawa | plasma41: actually the last three are stretch buster and bullseye… bookworm hasn't even been given room yet to start | 00:11 |
| Tenkawa | so its s,b,b heheh | 00:12 |
| weeazy | anyone know if the realtek drivers were moved into the kernel or wherever they go? there was a git project that fixed the issues with realtek wifi on some models | 03:55 |
| weeazy | that git has been removed so someone suggested to me it had been incorporated into the OS | 03:56 |
| gnarface | weeazy: i'm not aware of the git project in question but i do know that a lot of the realtek wifi hardware requires the firmware-realtek package from non-free, which might not have been automatically installed, depending on your setup choices | 04:49 |
| gnarface | weeazy: (such hardware will often function in unencrypted or wep-only mode just fine without the firmware, but to actually make it work to full capacity you need the non-free package) | 04:50 |
| gnarface | sometimes there's a newer version of that package and the kernel in backports with fixes for newer hardware but i'm not sure if chimaera-backports has updates for those yet | 04:52 |
| gnarface | inevitably it will, but i don't know if it has transpired yet... still, worth checking if you're having problems even after installing the firmware | 04:53 |
| Guest30 | whats the sysVinit equivalent for datetimectl | 04:58 |
| Guest30 | time got messed up and it's causing issues with updating packages | 04:59 |
| Guest30 | nvm ik its date | 05:00 |
| brocashelm | i've decided i had enough of gtk3 for xfce and would like to patch its file chooser (https://github.com/Dudemanguy/gtk) or at least switch to gtk2 while staying on xfce 4.14/4.16. any tips on how to do this? | 08:08 |
| brocashelm | if i was on arch, this would've been a piece of cake, but there doesn't seem to be a debian-specific package for this | 08:09 |
| brocashelm | closest thing i can find is this: https://github.com/lah7/gtk3-classic | 08:11 |
| gnarface | hmm, i wonder if there's some environment variable you can set or if you have to rebuild the package | 08:12 |
| DPA | Could someone please check if devuanauxrkggcowgm2vcs6go3c5pgxdidd5wqjpg7zpfaxkmgspr6id.onion (https://beta.devuan.org/os/packages#access-via-tor) is still working? | 10:00 |
| critr | i'm getting 'host unreachable' DPA | 10:04 |
| onefang | "The most likely cause is that the onionsite is offline. Contact the onionsite administrator." is what I get. | 10:06 |
| DPA | Ok, thanks. So it's really not running anymore right now... | 10:07 |
| raindodger | I've been getting the same issue. "Host unreachable". So yeah, I'd say it's gone offline or something similar | 10:14 |
| raindodger | Hopefully the devs will fix it soon. In the meantime, I guess there's the clearnet alternative | 10:16 |
| onefang | Try again now. | 10:23 |
| critr | yep, working now | 10:23 |
| onefang | One of the other devs restarted it, but now I know where it is, I can restart it myself if need be. | 10:24 |
| DPA | Thank you very much, works. | 10:25 |
| Kitty | if I've added something to /etc/init.d/ is there anything I should then run to register/enable a service? | 12:11 |
| humpelstilzchen[ | update-rc.d or rcconf should be able to create the needed symlinks | 12:13 |
| onefang | Or sysv-rc-conf. | 12:13 |
| Kitty | update-rc.d: error: no runlevel symlinks to modify, aborting! | 12:25 |
| rrq | try: update-rc.d $X enable # with $X being your something | 12:28 |
| Kitty | I did that | 12:29 |
| onefang | Try sysv-rc-conf, and see if it even lists your $X. | 12:29 |
| rrq | ok .. and $X has all the LSB headers? | 12:29 |
| Kitty | yeah | 12:30 |
| Kitty | tho doing it now, it works | 12:30 |
| Kitty | not sure why... | 12:30 |
| rrq | most computers are afraid of me ;) | 12:30 |
| onefang | I get that to. B-) | 12:31 |
| furrymcgee | are there codenames for oldstable like ceres/sid for unstable to add those deb-src in a sources list like http://paste.debian.net/1226614 | 13:56 |
| djph | furrymcgee: isn't beowulf old-stable ? | 13:58 |
| djph | or am I misunderstanding the question ? | 13:59 |
| onefang | https://www.devuan.org/os/releases might be useful. | 14:01 |
| onefang | Also best to stick with the release names and not the suite names. Otherwise you gonna have troubles updating between when Debian release a major version and when Devuan does. Mixing them is asking for trouble. | 14:03 |
| furrymcgee | ceres/sid will be updated after next release in contrast to beowulf | 14:07 |
| furrymcgee | yes unstable/oldstable usually involves some bugfixing | 14:08 |
| brocashelm | gnarface: from what i've been seeing, it's a lot of work, but the other desktop environments aren't that much better than xfce in my experience. closest ones are mate and lxqt | 15:17 |
| golinux | furrymcgee: Let there be light! https://www.devuan.org/os/releases | 16:36 |
| onefang | I already posted that link. | 16:37 |
| golinux | So much for my reading comprehension . . . | 16:37 |
| * golinux is just waking up . . . | 16:38 | |
| onefang | Too early in the morning, not enough coffee? | 16:38 |
| golinux | No coffee in 30 years here and we're off topic | 16:39 |
| FatPhil | I had a SD failure on my RasPi, but managed to grab almost all the data from it using ddrescue. Is there now a way to mount one of the partitions inside that whole-device dd dump? | 16:43 |
| FatPhil | I could just write it out to a spare SD card, and mount it from there as normal, but I'm wondering if there's a more direct method. | 16:44 |
| furrymcgee | losetup | 16:45 |
| Tenkawa | FatPhil: since its a dd image you can loop mount it with losetup -P | 16:45 |
| Tenkawa | then mount the specific partition you want | 16:46 |
| FatPhil | reading manpage... | 16:46 |
| Tenkawa | I use it with pregenerated images from vendor for that purpose myself | 16:47 |
| FatPhil | nice - I now see /dev/loop0p[1-3] | 16:51 |
| Tenkawa | yep one nice thing you can do if needed is also use -r in future to auto force read only for safety | 16:53 |
| furrymcgee | the releases page mentions ceres as exception for development | 16:53 |
| furrymcgee | development is not always in one direction | 16:54 |
| FatPhil | it's an iterative process, but not necessarily convergent | 16:55 |
| furrymcgee | in case of package migrations it would be good to have different names for oldstable to avoid mistakes | 17:02 |
| Tenkawa | Page updated last would be helpful too ( I think ).. right now there's nothing really to indicate this information is up to date. | 17:05 |
| golinux | Pages are updated with each new release | 17:05 |
| golinux | So when Chimaera was released. Next when Daedalus becomes stable. | 17:06 |
| golinux | Nothing changes between releases so no need for a date. | 17:07 |
| Tenkawa | golinux: you need "real" release information…. not assumed. That page gives no "authoritative" nomenclature that it is up to date | 17:07 |
| Tenkawa | that could be a 6 month old copy | 17:07 |
| Tenkawa | and noone would know | 17:07 |
| golinux | The release announcements are available on the website | 17:07 |
| golinux | It's going to be a year old before it's changed again | 17:08 |
| Tenkawa | where? That's my point.. You need to connect your information instead of having disconnected pages | 17:09 |
| golinux | https://www.devuan.org/os/explore | 17:10 |
| golinux | In the top nav bar. | 17:10 |
| golinux | One of the primary links. | 17:10 |
| golinux | It's a no-brainer . . . | 17:11 |
| Tenkawa | "proper" web site structure should have last updates which I see on none of these pages | 17:11 |
| Tenkawa | who knows if "any" of this information is up to date? | 17:12 |
| Tenkawa | there are | 17:12 |
| Tenkawa | very few date if any | 17:12 |
| golinux | Let's not stuff this channel with any more of this nonsense. Take it to #devuan-www | 17:15 |
| furrymcgee | it should be up to date as long certificates is valid | 17:15 |
| Tenkawa | I've said all I need/want to anyway. | 17:15 |
| Tenkawa | cheers | 17:15 |
| furrymcgee | goin to check vertificate authority ... | 17:23 |
| furrymcgee | 2021-10-25 until 2022-01-23, seems good | 17:42 |
| gucky-chat-laden | I am testing the generation of a customized net-inst cd with preseed. I found a netboot.tar.gz. whats the usecase ob this file? | 20:57 |
| fsmithred | gucky-chat-laden, I think the netboot images are for booting from hard drive instead of from removable media | 21:19 |
| fsmithred | booting the installer, I mean | 21:19 |
| gucky-chat-laden | fsmithred: then this is useless when you have an empty hdd, or do i missunderstand? | 21:29 |
| fsmithred | huh? | 21:30 |
| fsmithred | no, you put that on the hard drive and boot it, and the installer then installs to the same hard drive | 21:30 |
| fsmithred | I don't know if the installation preserves the installer. Probably not, but it would keep the logs. | 21:31 |
| gucky-chat-laden | Ok. Then i must test this method. Tnx | 21:32 |
| ErRandir | the netboot images must be installed on a PXE server, and are served to a different machine (the PXE client) which boots & installs over the network. | 23:27 |
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