| djph | E: The repository 'http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-security Release' does not have a Release file. | 03:38 |
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| djph | ... aww, no playing with daedalus tonight :( | 03:38 |
| golinux | djph: IIUC, the "testing" suite does not have a security component. | 03:48 |
| raindodger | Why doesn't Daedalus have a security repo? | 03:51 |
| raindodger | But Chimaera does? | 03:51 |
| fluffywolf | security is for stable releases. unstable and testing releases just get the updates pushed straight to the main repository. | 03:54 |
| golinux | Thank you for the clarification fluffywolf | 04:11 |
| Xenguy | fluffywolf, Why look at you, you fluffy wolf. Damn you're fine | 05:25 |
| Xenguy | And don't you dare tell me I'm offtopic... | 05:26 |
| Xenguy | fluffywolf is always on topic, you know what I'm sayin' ? | 05:26 |
| fluffywolf | aaannd... you're drunk? | 05:27 |
| Xenguy | How would you ever discern such a response? | 05:27 |
| Xenguy | But you are a rather sober person I've gathered | 05:27 |
| Xenguy | Very well | 05:27 |
| Xenguy | I can't be held responsible for that | 05:28 |
| Xenguy | You play chess, now that I think of it... | 05:33 |
| Xenguy | The olde Wijk aan Zee tournament games start tomorrow... | 05:33 |
| Xenguy | Been going on since (apparently) 1938 | 05:33 |
| Xenguy | Annually, that is | 05:34 |
| golinux | Please take it to -offtopic | 05:36 |
| UsL | anything breaking with FF 78 to FF 91? | 12:49 |
| onefang | Nothing I have noticed so far. | 12:54 |
| djph | golinux: ohhh, that'd do it | 13:27 |
| UsL | onefang: thanks. | 13:40 |
| parabyte | is there any plans for arm builds? | 14:06 |
| fsmithred | parabyte, did you see the existing arm builds? | 14:07 |
| parabyte | you know iv missed this arm build thing completely let me check out the mirrors | 14:07 |
| parabyte | lol says on the download page about arm builds, fsmithred in my defence i have been using devuan from the beginning and never ever goto the homepage | 14:08 |
| fsmithred | I only go there because they make me do it. | 14:08 |
| parabyte | i been playing around with Armbian but i am finding systemd annoying | 14:09 |
| fsmithred | http://arm-files.devuan.org/ | 14:09 |
| parabyte | i think its cause i am old to be honest fsmithred and cant be bothered learning something new | 14:09 |
| parabyte | ah fantastic thanks fsmithred | 14:09 |
| parabyte | :) | 14:09 |
| fsmithred | ...or waiting five minutes to boot up or shut down? | 14:09 |
| parabyte | lol | 14:10 |
| onefang | I only go to the home page to grab a URL for someone else to go to. | 14:11 |
| parabyte | the home page is very pretty! im having a look around | 14:14 |
| parabyte | so is this antix linux based on devuan? i had a friend telling me about it using sysvinit | 14:15 |
| fsmithred | what??? | 14:15 |
| parabyte | not really that interested myself but thought i would bring it up here | 14:15 |
| fsmithred | where do you see antix? | 14:15 |
| fsmithred | antix is based on debian. | 14:16 |
| parabyte | so antix team basically just done what the devuan team has done? | 14:16 |
| parabyte | same idea different code bases | 14:16 |
| parabyte | ? | 14:16 |
| fsmithred | to a lesser extent - they don't have desktop environments, just window managers | 14:16 |
| parabyte | ooo so everything looks like 90's linux | 14:17 |
| parabyte | im just having a peek via google images at there default desktop! | 14:17 |
| fsmithred | not quite that bad. They do a very nice job. | 14:17 |
| parabyte | im going to have to go, a customer just came in the shop! need to talk computer brb | 14:18 |
| parabyte | fsmithred, is the arm ports your baby? | 14:24 |
| parabyte | im reading the forums | 14:24 |
| UsL | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AntiX says spacefm is a DE. I disagree. | 14:27 |
| fsmithred | parabyte, no arm hardware to play with here. | 14:29 |
| fsmithred | spacefm is a file manager. You can set it to control the desktop background, and it will handle removable media using pmount or udevil. | 14:30 |
| fsmithred | But I think that's the extent of it. | 14:30 |
| UsL | indeed. a great file manager but not a DE. even yhough iguru would probably make a gret DE if he wanted. | 14:37 |
| e3d3 | my hard disk is worn out but because this is my 1st totally issue-free OS I can't let it loose (with extra courage from the great Refracta snapshot) | 14:57 |
| brocashelm | antix is different from devuan in many ways, even if both are based on debian and non-systemd | 15:25 |
| brocashelm | distros based on devuan would be ones like refracta, miyo, gnuinos, virage, exe, etc. | 15:26 |
| brocashelm | those are more personalized depending on what you want to use them for | 15:26 |
| e3d3 | I never heard of those distros, and am more than happy with issue-free Devuan. I can't believe that I'll have so much luck twice, even not with Devuan. I don't need much more from a distro than not to be bothered with endless system problems. | 15:31 |
| brocashelm | i settled on refracta personally | 15:34 |
| e3d3 | what is the main difference with Devuan ? | 15:35 |
| brocashelm | not a whole lot, but it by default is a bit more refined out-of-the-box by not having metapackages (meaning removing one package won't likely risk taking your entire system down), magic sysrq keys, alsa instead of pulseaudio for sound, midnight commander as an alternative file manager to thunar, the inclusion of tor browser (plus launcher icon), etc. | 15:37 |
| brocashelm | fsmithred also makes isos of the distro often with different customizations like a runit-specific refracta (with additional scripts) or a no-x version that anyone can download and experiment with | 15:38 |
| brocashelm | this is the site if you're curious: https://refracta.org | 15:39 |
| e3d3 | I was reading http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta | 15:39 |
| fsmithred | that's the old website | 15:39 |
| brocashelm | yeah, that's the old page | 15:39 |
| fsmithred | I guess I should add a big link to the new website if it's not obvious | 15:40 |
| e3d3 | I landed there via an alternative search engine (no duck/gorgle) | 15:41 |
| e3d3 | fsmithred: you helped me once very patiently with some snapshot problems, and today I'am still happy that refracta snapshot solved my worries quickly and adequate. Thanks again. | 15:44 |
| fsmithred | you're welcome. I'm always happy to hear that my stuff works. | 15:45 |
| jjakob | would I need to use devuan's debootstrap or can I use debian's? | 16:41 |
| fsmithred | better to use devuan's | 16:42 |
| fsmithred | it's in the live isos and also in Refracta live isos | 16:42 |
| fsmithred | that said, I've heard of people using debian's debootstrap. | 16:43 |
| e3d3 | thanks all & good luck | 16:46 |
| parabyte | fsmithred, why is the arm build distributed as a iso? is the raw files available? like initd and kernel etc? | 16:51 |
| parabyte | yes i could grab it out of the iso but i am just wondering | 16:51 |
| fsmithred | are you at pkgmaster.devuan.org or files.devuan.org? | 16:52 |
| fsmithred | ah, pool1 | 16:52 |
| fsmithred | is that what you're looking at? If so, I'll make a guess that it's full of deb packages from the pool | 16:53 |
| fsmithred | You might be able to find the kind of files you want at pkgmaster. I'll find a link. | 16:54 |
| fsmithred | parabyte, links are in this post: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=20322#p20322 | 16:55 |
| fsmithred | drill down to find what you're looking for. | 16:55 |
| fsmithred | oh, two of those links are mini.iso. You can drill up a level or two from there. | 16:56 |
| parabyte | fsmithred, i work on android tv box's all the time, i usually put armbian on them | 16:58 |
| parabyte | so i got a job lot of box's off ebay the other day, abox a4's s905x based goodness, iv not really looked at them in depth | 16:58 |
| parabyte | but its IR remote control has a microphone in it and it communicates with the box with lirc | 16:59 |
| parabyte | so how how does the microphone work!?! | 16:59 |
| parabyte | i will let you know in a teardown later today! | 16:59 |
| parabyte | are they sending audio via ir?!?! | 17:00 |
| parabyte | fsmithred, bluetooth remote, but the board has a ir sensor i guess from another modeol | 17:02 |
| fsmithred | how good is ir for sending data? | 17:03 |
| fsmithred | I don't trust android in general. | 17:04 |
| parabyte | fsmithred, as good as anything i assume., long as there is error correction | 17:24 |
| fsmithred | afk, bbl | 17:29 |
| cytokine_storm | https://paste.debian.net/1227225/ | 18:03 |
| cytokine_storm | ^^ the above pastebin list my sinks using (pacmd list-sinks) | 18:04 |
| cytokine_storm | after i plugged out my headphones when i type command (pacmd set-default-sink 3) | 18:05 |
| cytokine_storm | it does not set 3 as deafault sink. why | 18:05 |
| cytokine_storm | im unable to set index 3 as default sink | 18:06 |
| cytokine_storm | but im able to set it as default sink when i plug in my headphones. | 18:06 |
| furrymcgee | perhaps you need symbolic name rather than numerical index | 18:31 |
| nemo | fsmithred: hey, you do a lot of the bootable iso packaging for devuan, and you sent me that cheat sheet on mounting ISOs... | 18:41 |
| nemo | fsmithred: I was waiting to see if upstream would quickly pick up 5.16 into sid, which might get it into your ISOs, but it seems there's not a ton of urgency on this | 18:42 |
| nemo | soooo I was wondering how hard it is to take https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/linux-signed-amd64 from experimental and transplant it into a chimæra or ceres ISO | 18:42 |
| nemo | I've really never done that to a kernel before, or any package, but it seems like the sort of thing you might have done | 18:42 |
| cytokine_storm | furrymcgee: still not working when i dont plug in headphones | 18:43 |
| nemo | fsmithred: note, experimental is *still* not on the 5.16 release, just rc8, but, eh, SO has waited patiently for a month and a half on this and she's getting antsy | 18:44 |
| nemo | fsmithred: I was looking into (cheapish) USB wireless too, but that entire area seems to have choice of reliable/good-linux support/cheap pick 2 | 18:45 |
| cytokine_storm | fsmithred: it works now, after i killed and restarted the pulseaudio daemon | 18:49 |
| cytokine_storm | any idea why it happened | 18:49 |
| nemo | also, I guess, more generally to the room, if anyone knows of any guides to changing out the kernel, or other packages, on a debian bootable image | 18:51 |
| nemo | I'm thinking once I get it installed, I can manually dpkg -i the 5.16 into the newly installed machine | 18:51 |
| nemo | so it's mostly about having functional network on install to simplify the install process | 18:51 |
| nemo | otherwise I gotta use one of the monolithic ISOs and that's a pain. | 18:52 |
| nemo | but. hm. I guess I could do that.... | 18:52 |
| nemo | maybe just grabbing a few gigabytes off of devuan's mirrors is easier than futzing around with this | 18:52 |
| nemo | I mean. I literally just need it to boot | 18:52 |
| nemo | hm hm | 18:52 |
| nemo | so I guess I just need devuan_chimaera_4.0.0_amd64_desktop.iso | 18:53 |
| nemo | theeen grab everything I need from upstream experimental once I'm done. | 18:53 |
| * nemo starts leaching bandwidth | 18:54 | |
| sabas3dgh | hello devuan users; | 19:07 |
| nemo | hello randomly generated username | 19:12 |
| nemo | I sure hope the chimæra desktop ISO is reliable. I've had issues with it in past | 19:23 |
| nemo | like... not working at all on UEFI or something. but maybe that was back in beowulf days | 19:23 |
| nemo | welp that seems to be working. sooo now I have to grab the 5.16-rc8 kernel and alll dependencies | 20:02 |
| nemo | sigh | 20:02 |
| fsmithred | nemo, refractasnaphsot is designed to do custom work like you want. | 20:03 |
| fsmithred | you set the config file to save_work=yes | 20:03 |
| nemo | fsmithred: ah. you're back. well. I went w/ desktop one already ☺ | 20:04 |
| fsmithred | you make manual changes under /home/work/myfs and you can re-squash (I think it's the second option) | 20:04 |
| nemo | I'm busy grabbing .deb files for booting from experimental | 20:04 |
| nemo | https://packages.debian.org/experimental/linux-image-5.16.0-rc8-amd64 | 20:04 |
| fsmithred | you can make changes under /home/work/iso/ and then re-pack the iso file | 20:04 |
| nemo | will try to remember than | 20:04 |
| nemo | *that | 20:04 |
| fsmithred | minimal-live isos are probably not uefi capable. | 20:06 |
| fsmithred | I can't remember if I did it or not for chimaera. | 20:06 |
| nemo | it seems to have booted with the desktop ISO install anyway | 20:06 |
| nemo | so now I just need to copy over allll the necessary 5.16-rc8 experimental .deb files | 20:06 |
| fsmithred | why do you need 5.16? | 20:07 |
| nemo | wireless driver | 20:08 |
| nemo | Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. Device 8852 | 20:09 |
| nemo | rtw8852 is apparently only in the 5.16 kernel | 20:10 |
| nemo | ugh. I know debian traditionally uses ftp and http, but for people manually fetching packages a valid https cert is a bit more convenient than manually verifying pgp signatures for a modicum of security ☹ | 20:10 |
| nemo | eh. guess I can just use the sha256 | 20:11 |
| nemo | looks good. on to the next one | 20:11 |
| nemo | (also, firefox blocks http download these days by default due to those issues, so have to copy into wget) | 20:11 |
| fsmithred | I try to use wget before trying to download in browser | 20:15 |
| furrymcgee | there are https mirrors | 20:15 |
| fsmithred | yeah, that too | 20:15 |
| nemo | https://packages.debian.org/experimental/amd64/linux-image-5.16.0-rc8-amd64/download was having trouble finding one here. so just went w/ wget + sha256sum | 20:16 |
| nemo | ok. on to the other packages. lessee. what else do I need | 20:16 |
| nemo | the firmware obviously | 20:16 |
| nemo | I guess it's probably in firmware-linux-nonfree lessee | 20:17 |
| nemo | hum. not seeing it in the package list. or any realtek for that matter | 20:17 |
| nemo | well. I have a copy of it over here.. | 20:18 |
| nemo | https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/tree/rtw89 | 20:19 |
| nemo | but I'd swear it was packaged by debian already | 20:19 |
| fsmithred | firmware-misc-nonfree maybe? | 20:23 |
| nemo | ah. thanks | 20:24 |
| nemo | hmm don't see 8852 in sid | 20:25 |
| nemo | and no experimental | 20:25 |
| nemo | https://packages.debian.org/sid/firmware-misc-nonfree that is | 20:26 |
| nemo | hm hm | 20:26 |
| nemo | guess I can just manually copy it over though | 20:26 |
| nemo | until I figure that out | 20:26 |
| rwp | That Realtek WiFi chips have been problematic for years. | 20:33 |
| rwp | A good very informative rant on them here: https://github.com/morrownr/USB-WiFi | 20:34 |
| nemo | ah https://packages.debian.org/fr/sid/firmware-realtek | 20:34 |
| nemo | here's the one I need | 20:34 |
| nemo | rtw8852au_fw.bin | 20:34 |
| nemo | dmesg reports 5.16 is successfully hunting for it | 20:35 |
| nemo | so I just need that package installed yay | 20:35 |
| nemo | ummm wait. that's some bluetooth thing. wut | 20:39 |
| nemo | hmm maybe it *was* the other bin but but. why did kernel not detect it | 20:40 |
| nemo | only one realtek in the log | 20:40 |
| nemo | meh. let's try the other one and see | 20:42 |
| nemo | but no. rtw8852a_fw.bin is already in /lib/firmware/rtw89 grrrr | 20:42 |
| nemo | hm. different checksum from upstream though | 20:43 |
| rwp | I think you will make it work but I have been avoiding needing Realtek WiFi working. It's less frustrating. | 20:43 |
| nemo | https://github.com/lwfinger/rtw89 | 20:47 |
| nemo | aaaagh the desktop iso did not install gcc | 20:54 |
| nemo | of course it didn't | 20:54 |
| fsmithred | nemo, try a refracta iso. It has build-essential | 20:59 |
| fsmithred | and linux-headers, but that won't help if you use a different kernel | 20:59 |
| nemo | 22 deb files later | 21:02 |
| fsmithred | these are all from experimental? | 21:05 |
| fsmithred | ceres=sid | 21:05 |
| fsmithred | if you want to use apt | 21:05 |
| nemo | experimental | 21:09 |
| nemo | trying to get that git repo above to compile against the 5.16 kernel to get my kernel module | 21:10 |
| nemo | ofc on debian that means a loooong chain of deps and ABI issues | 21:10 |
| nemo | this system might end up being a loss but eh, I just installed it minutes ago | 21:10 |
| nemo | I might be able to get it back though | 21:10 |
| nemo | this is precisely why I wanted all this in sid though | 21:10 |
| nemo | !@#$ kernel team and their !@#$ "just use experimental" | 21:11 |
| nemo | sorry. no offense to the kernel team | 21:11 |
| nemo | but I mean, 5.16 was released a week ago as stable, is it really too much to ask to have it bumped up in sid? 😝 | 21:11 |
| nemo | getting real tired of sneakernetting things by USB. esp since it is increasing odds of it all breaking anyway | 21:12 |
| nemo | welp | 21:25 |
| nemo | a little progress | 21:25 |
| nemo | wlan0 is now visible | 21:25 |
| nemo | but nm-applet claims user 1000 has no permissions | 21:25 |
| nemo | which seems pretty bogus since user 1000 is in netdev, plugdev... | 21:25 |
| nemo | I do hate polkit | 21:25 |
| nemo | ah restarting nm-applet fixed that | 21:26 |
| nemo | ok. now I have to unmangle this system is all :) | 21:29 |
| nemo | you know... after all that, I'm not so sure I needed the 5.16 kernel gaaaaah | 21:35 |
| nemo | I'm not sure I want to do this over though so. eh. | 21:35 |
| nemo | 5.16 will make it into ceres eventually I imagine 😝 | 21:36 |
| brocashelm | it is experimental for a reason ;) | 21:37 |
| nemo | heh. it's just that I'm preeeetty sure the module in that github repo I ended up needing would most likely have built fine against the chimæra kernel ☹ | 21:38 |
| nemo | so. I dunno. I might just reinstall all the things | 21:38 |
| nemo | well | 21:38 |
| nemo | back out all the manual installs anyway | 21:38 |
| nemo | and put back in the chimæra ones | 21:38 |
| nemo | hm. odd | 21:57 |
| nemo | "This branch was created from the version merged into the wireless-drivers-next | 21:57 |
| nemo | repo, which is in the 5.16 kernel. ALL BRANCHES SUCH AS v5, v6, and v7 ARE DELETED!" | 21:57 |
| nemo | so... why did my 5.16 kernel not work until I modprobed this | 21:57 |
| nemo | maybe I overlooked an unloaded module | 21:58 |
| nemo | but. since this repo specifically says 5.4+ kernels, using *that* against chimæra should work totally fine | 21:58 |
| nemo | time to clean everything up | 21:59 |
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