| tk | What's the minimal live iso root password? | 02:07 |
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| tk | oh, toor | 02:09 |
| rwp | That's the second time in the day or so that toor has come up here. | 02:57 |
| golinux | rwp: Some changes are in the works regarding documentation | 02:59 |
| golinux | toor will hopefully be more visible soon | 03:00 |
| chomwitt | Goodmorning. | 09:53 |
| chomwitt | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/package-query.html?c=package&q=gccintro=1.0-4 has a dead link. where do i report it as an issue? | 09:53 |
| rrq | would be to debians bug tracker for that one | 09:55 |
| chomwitt | thanks, but if i may ask what is the critiria to lookup when deciding that? | 09:56 |
| chomwitt | the maintainer field? | 09:57 |
| rrq | it concernes the package, whci is a debian package, i.e. not forked by Devuan | 09:58 |
| chomwitt | whci ? | 09:58 |
| rrq | it concerns the package, which is a debian package, i.e. not forked by Devuan | 09:58 |
| chomwitt | how do i see whether a package is forked or not? | 09:59 |
| rrq | e.g. Filename: pool/DEBIAN/... for debian packages pool/DEVUAN/.. for forked packages | 10:00 |
| chomwitt | rrq thanks | 10:00 |
| rrq | nw :) | 10:01 |
| chomwitt | is nw for not worry like np for not problem? | 10:02 |
| rrq | indeed | 10:02 |
| chomwitt | i see. | 10:02 |
| rrq | "no worries" | 10:02 |
| chomwitt | sorry but how do i report an issue for a debian package from within my devuan system ? | 10:53 |
| chomwitt | back when i used debian i used reportbug program | 10:54 |
| chomwitt | https://bugs.devuan.org/Reporting.html i read i | 10:56 |
| chomwitt | i read it | 10:56 |
| chomwitt | it says to report in debian BTS. | 10:58 |
| * chomwitt tries reportbug in devuan | 10:58 | |
| rwp | Unless it is one of the banned packages from https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt then it is a passed through Debian package. | 11:02 |
| rrq | send an email to submit@bugs.debian.org with first line as "Package: gccintro" oand second line as "Version: 1.0-4" and then whatever descriptive and useful details you think of. | 11:03 |
| rrq | oand = and | 11:03 |
| * chomwitt thanks rrq and rwp | 11:05 | |
| chomwitt | ok. i posted my issue with reportbug and i got back an email from devuan-bugs-owner@lists.dyne.org . So i'm not sure that it was passed automatically to debian tracker. | 12:47 |
| chomwitt | Anyway i did a mistake. there is already a report for the same issue io Debian Bug Tracker, but one year old. | 12:49 |
| chomwitt | my issue is on devuan bug tracker https://bugs.devuan.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=654 | 13:01 |
| sha296 | Hello | 14:36 |
| sha296 | Can anyone see my messages? | 14:37 |
| sha296 | I am new to IRC and still figuring things out | 14:37 |
| sha296 | So, if you can see my message please respond | 14:37 |
| onefang | Yep, can see your messages. | 14:37 |
| ham5urg | Hehe, yes. | 14:37 |
| sha296 | Thanks | 14:37 |
| sha296 | Is there any way to tag or respond to a particular message like in Telegram or Signal? | 14:38 |
| furrymcgee | quote the relevant part | 14:40 |
| sha296 | " quote the relevant part" Quote | 14:41 |
| furrymcgee | welcome to irc | 14:42 |
| sha296 | Thanks | 14:44 |
| sha296 | What resources do you recommend for learning openRC and runit? I prefer books, if available. | 14:44 |
| gnarface | sha296: https://wiki.debian.org/OpenRC | 14:54 |
| furrymcgee | https://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/LSB_4.1.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Core-generic/sysinit.html | 15:47 |
| furrymcgee | "Other documents may supersede or augment this specification." | 15:47 |
| furrymcgee | there is even LSB 5 https://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/LSB_5.0.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Core-generic/sysinit.html | 15:52 |
| furrymcgee | is it abandoned? https://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/ReleaseNotes50 | 15:57 |
| fluffywolf | laptop crashed on ac power change again this morning. I went to it just after the power was back on, and it was hung with the cpu fan running full speed, but this time magic sysrq works. seems magic sysrq works for a limited time, presumably as whatever is exploding explodes further it stops. | 19:32 |
| fluffywolf | I'm trying to reproduce it while running top -d 0.1, but of course it's working fine every time I try... | 19:32 |
| _ds_ | Anything in the logs? | 19:32 |
| fluffywolf | or maybe I fixed it when I killed elogind and it just needed a reboot... | 19:32 |
| fluffywolf | nothing gets logged. | 19:33 |
| fluffywolf | I'm assuming it's too dead to write to disc. | 19:33 |
| fluffywolf | ohh, this time something did get logged! | 19:34 |
| fluffywolf | probably because I was able to reisub it this time. | 19:34 |
| _ds_ | In the case of nothing making it to a log file, I'd use netconsole. | 19:34 |
| fluffywolf | something in the usb stack crashed | 19:35 |
| fluffywolf | http://paste.debian.net/1227303/ does this make any sense to anyone? is it even related? heh | 19:42 |
| fluffywolf | and is the reason I can't reproduce it unplugging my laptop's power actually because it's a usb device losing power that's causing the crash? lol | 19:43 |
| fluffywolf | syslog has slightly more info. http://paste.debian.net/1227304/ | 19:46 |
| _ds_ | Definitely list corruption, but the cause remains unknown. | 20:01 |
| rwp | I don't know either but I would definitely consider booting the previous release's kernel for testing. | 20:08 |
| fluffywolf | holy fuck #linux is worthless. | 20:26 |
| fluffywolf | I was able to reproduce it once on unplugging my main usb hub, so the problem is indeed usb-related from a usb device dropping off the bus when the power goes off, not acpi or otherwise related to the laptop losing power. | 20:27 |
| fluffywolf | I wasn't able to reproduce it unplugging any specific device, nor by unplugging the hub more times, so... yay hard to reproduce problems. | 20:27 |
| fluffywolf | no one seems alive in ##kernel | 20:28 |
| rwp | It's Sunday afternoon somewhere... | 20:37 |
| ErRandir | Maybe commit 7faac1953ed1 will fix it but that is only in v5.16. | 20:39 |
| _ds_ | fluffywolf, https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/lib/list_debug.c – see the comment near the top. | 20:51 |
| fluffywolf | yeah, I assumed that's what list_debug did. :P | 20:52 |
| fluffywolf | it's finding a list that's not self-consistent and complaining. the list is coming from the usb stack, looking list the list_del at the bottom of https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux.git/tree/drivers/usb/host/xhci.c?h=v5.14#n2620 . but that tells me zero about why the list is getting broken, or how to fix it. | 20:53 |
| fluffywolf | s/looking list/looking like | 20:53 |
| fluffywolf | I don't know nearly enough about either usb or the kernel usb drivers to tell if something in that function is breaking the list, or if the list is being broken elsewhere (could have been on usb connect at boot for all I know) and just being noticed then. | 20:56 |
| _ds_ | ErRandir, that one's backported; 5.15.8 has it. I don't see it in 5.14 stable, though. | 20:57 |
| fluffywolf | someone in ##kernel offered a few suggestions, but I don't think they understand it sufficiently better than I do to help. | 20:57 |
| fluffywolf | this might be a send-to-lkml-and-wait issue. | 21:05 |
| fluffywolf | on a related bug, colord-sane segfaults every time a usb device is plugged or unplugged, of any kind. but removing it didn't fix anything. is that an unrelated bug in colord, or something being triggered by this bug, I do not know. | 21:07 |
| wikan | which iso contains additional wireless drivers? live? | 21:12 |
| fluffywolf | I guess I should upgrade to 5.16.1 and reproduce, then lkml. | 21:13 |
| golinux | wikan: Yes. Live has non-free firmware as does the net install | 21:20 |
| golinux | "To select an alternate bootloader (lilo) or exclude non-free firmware, choose "Expert install" under Advanced options. " | 21:20 |
| wikan | netinstal has O.o? | 21:22 |
| wikan | downloading ... | 21:23 |
| wikan | how hard is to create my own installer for devuan? i think about my custom version of devuan. | 21:23 |
| fluffywolf | what's the current debian way to install a kernel from source using a debian config and packaging? | 21:24 |
| fluffywolf | there seems to be some conflicting ways, with notes like "Dec 1, 2021 — This is an obsolete now guide on how to build the Linux Kernel into a .deb package" heh. | 21:25 |
| fluffywolf | pages I'm finding all seem both outdated and conflicting. | 21:33 |
| fluffywolf | I mean, most are from 2.* days. lol | 21:34 |
| wikan | btw, my kernel vommits on tty when I move the mouse and connect usb devices | 21:35 |
| wikan | it is annoying because i use tty O.o | 21:35 |
| wikan | it ways it can't load something... let me check | 21:36 |
| wikan | must wait until dd finish | 21:36 |
| wikan | it is mtr or somthink like that, but will check soon | 21:37 |
| fluffywolf | ok, found something that actually applies to 5.*, and it says that all of everything else I read is wrong, and you just run make deb-pkg and it all magically works. | 21:43 |
| wikan | failed to execute mtp-probe | 21:43 |
| fluffywolf | grrrr, except I can't build it to due libssl version issues. | 21:44 |
| fluffywolf | libssl is only slightly better than python at fucking up building new things. | 21:44 |
| * fluffywolf wonders how long make -j4 on an older i5 laptop is going to take | 21:47 | |
| wikan | i5 and "older"? lol | 21:56 |
| fluffywolf | the i5 is 13 years old now. | 21:57 |
| fluffywolf | in computing terms, that's definitely older. | 21:58 |
| wikan | wow, 13? | 21:58 |
| fluffywolf | 2009... | 21:59 |
| wikan | how much cores and hz? | 21:59 |
| fluffywolf | 2, 2.5ish | 21:59 |
| wikan | hmmm, didn't know | 21:59 |
| wikan | maybe i have i5 then | 21:59 |
| wikan | i feel old :| | 22:00 |
| fluffywolf | there's a wide variety of cpus with the i5 label. mine is one of the older ones, but not the very earliest. | 22:00 |
| * fluffywolf actually checks, has a Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3360M CPU @ 2.80GHz | 22:00 | |
| wikan | my laptop is about 15 yo | 22:00 |
| fluffywolf | looks like this cpu is from 2012, so only ten years old. | 22:01 |
| wikan | linux is amazing ;) | 22:01 |
| wikan | how it feels to run firefox on your laptop? | 22:02 |
| fluffywolf | firefox is slow no matter what you run it on. | 22:02 |
| fluffywolf | brb, food | 22:02 |
| wikan | at least firefox works. webkit based browsers on old machine doesn't. | 22:03 |
| wikan | you kidding me :| 99% of downloaded file and error :| | 22:07 |
| * brocashelm is rocking a couple of core 2 duo/quad rigs | 22:11 | |
| brocashelm | works for me | 22:11 |
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