libera/#devuan/ Thursday, 2022-01-20

rustytacoHi! just got a new laptop and it seems i need kernel 5.13.x for my wifi to work - i run chimaera on my machines00:28
_ds_rustytaco, you should be able to get 5.14 via chimaera-backports00:38
rustytacojust main or non-free too since it relies on firmware-realtek?00:42
gnarfacefirmware-realtek is in non-free00:44
gnarfacebut make sure you get the firmware-realtek from backports if you also get the kernel from backports00:44
_ds_I'd second that, but firmware-realtek isn't in backports.00:45
_ds_(or at least isn't showing up as such here)00:45
rustytacowhich kernel does daedalus have?00:47
rustytacoi dont mind to run testing on it for now. i eventualy will be swapping the SSD out an adding RAM after the warranty ends in 30 days00:48
_ds_… hmm, looks like 5.15 is in backports too.00:49
rustytacoi need firmware-realtek that matches the modified driver tho i believe00:49
_ds_Nothing stopping you from pulling in only firmware-realtek from testing or unstable…00:49
_ds_Could be that the necessary firmware's already there in stable and is unchanged in newer versions of the package.00:50
gnarfacesorry should clarify: when (not if) firmware-realtek appears in chimaera-backports, make sure you're using it if you are also using the backports kernel.00:53
gnarfaceuntil then it will probably work fine with the one from stable00:53
gnarface(this general advice goes for any other non-free driver stuff that appears in backports, such as the nvidia non-free drivers)00:54
gnarfaceyou don't want to really update *everything* from backports, but some stuff from there is meant to be used as a set00:54
gnarfacesince chimaera is pretty new though, not all the usual suspects have show up in backports just yet00:56
gnarfaceshown up*00:56
gnarfacefirmware-realtek doesn't change a whole lot though so it's probably a lot less picky about kernel version than nvidia drivers00:57
* rustytaco fires off a reboot to see what we get00:57
rustytacolooks good, thnks _ds_  /  gnarface00:59
rustytacobattery life indicator seems to lie - 6 hours remaining, but we'll see01:00
SmilexHey. How do I see when the next nvidia driver is available?09:15
gnarfaceyou can use "apt-cache search nvidia" or you can look at pkginfo.devuan.org09:25
SmilexSo apt-cache gives me too many results, and pkginfo too few :D09:27
gnarfacethat's just the way they decided to package it, it's in a dozen packages, you have to version check them all sorry09:29
gnarfacei didn't do it09:29
gnarfaceregexps might help, try this one: apt-cache search '^nvidia-'09:29
gnarfacewoops, do that without the single-quotes, sorry09:30
gnarfacewell, maybe it won't matter09:30
golinuxnvidia*09:31
golinuxThat timed out before it was through!09:32
gnarfacei think it needs to be .*09:32
golinuxIn pkginfo,devuan.org09:32
gnarfaceyea09:32
gnarfaceno?09:32
golinuxIt needs to be refined but that is what I've always used09:33
gnarfacewell search for nvidia-driver to find the main package to just check the version available09:34
gnarfacethe problem is it won't necessarily depend on all the things it really depends on, so you might have to install or update some of them them separately09:34
gnarfaceand they won't all share the same main version #, some of them will be weird09:35
gnarfacebut at least then you can check to see when there's a major update09:35
Smilexgnarface: thanks!09:36
gnarfacenp09:36
gnarfaceif you use the one from chimaera-backports make sure you also use the kernel from chimaera-backports09:37
Smilex"The minimum required Nvidia driver for nvenc is 470.57.02 or newer" is that one available?09:38
Smilexit doesn't look like it...09:38
gnarfacehttps://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=nvidia-driver&x=submit09:52
gnarfacesays it is09:52
gnarface(in chimaera-backports)09:53
gnarfacenote that you will need libnvidia-encode1, which i recall not auto-installing as a dependency either, and for Steam on amd64 you'll probably still need libnvidia-encode1:i386 too09:57
sabas3dghDo you prefer firefox or Seamonkey?13:42
sabas3dghDo you prefer KDE or Gtk/Gnome environment?13:43
sabas3dghPlease answer these two questions!13:43
sabas3dghthanks13:43
debdogpalemoon and fluxbox13:43
djphlynx13:44
djphand looking down on people who need GUIs ^_^13:44
sabas3dghdebdog, does palemoon satisfy all the modern browsing needs?13:45
sabas3dghdjph, Yes. way to go. 😄13:45
sabas3dghdjph, what if you need to watch a video on any number of sites?13:45
djphand encouraging them to look down on people posting surveys to IRC :P hhehehe13:45
djphsabas3dgh: "need" ?13:46
sabas3dghdjph, netflix perhaps13:46
djphthat's on the TV, which is bigger, and the couch is far comfier than my desk chair13:46
sabas3dgh😄 to djph second to last reply ....13:46
sabas3dghdjph, Good answer ... brilliant13:47
debdogsabas3dgh: ideally get palemoon from its download site and not from the repo to be up to date. works better than seamonkey for me, regarding 'needs'. there are many plugins available.13:47
sabas3dghdebdog, as I could remeber there was similar attempt named waterfox ( a classic branch )13:48
sabas3dghdebdog, going to see moonchlid about palemoon.13:49
djphsabas3dgh: anyway, my PCs are primarily for getting tasks done.  I do have and use awesomewm from time to time (eg. for zoom calls with people), but...13:49
sabas3dghdjph, task orianted. is ASMWM still under development?13:50
djphsabas3dgh: last activity was a month ago on their github13:51
djphsabas3dgh: less task-oriented, and more attention issues.  Less going on (e.g. CLI in screen) = more getting stuff finished.13:52
sabas3dghthere was a surge way back ASMWM born on tiling windows managers. it was dwm/...../i3 all sorts of projects came and gone.... I was following that trend from the start..13:54
sabas3dghchanged a couple of windows manager13:54
sabas3dghnever get the hang of tiling mode. always less place to work than more. wired windows ratio...13:55
sabas3dghBUT always like the idea of Mouse less system...13:56
alwaysin /mode15:08
KittyI am having an issue with the installer16:20
KittyI tried it once, and it worked fine, but my luks key didn't work, so I had to reinstall. but now grub doesn't install properly16:21
Kittyfirst time round I got asked about uefi boot, the 2nd and 3rd attempts did not16:21
Kittywhat am I doing wrong ?16:21
* Kitty starts going through the install for the 4th time this afternoon...16:28
Kittyand this time round, it was a) a lot lot lot lot lot quicker, and b) grub works16:35
fsmithredwhich iso?16:35
Kittybeowulf net install16:36
fsmithredencrypted install can be confusing. I usually screw it up at least once before I get it right.16:37
fsmithredwith manual partitioning, I mean16:37
Kitty4 goes that took. But works now16:45
rustytacowhere does killall live? its missing on my new install. Strange.16:52
Kitty /usr/bin/killall16:54
Kittyand it's in sysvinit-utils16:55
KittyI think16:55
rustytacopsmisc: /usr/bin/killall16:57
sabas3dghfsmithred, any good tut for encrypted install?18:17
fsmithredsabas3dgh, for root partition without lvm, I have a video.18:18
sabas3dghfsmithred, please share if possible18:19
fsmithredhttp://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/misc/partition_encrypt-4.ogv18:19
parabyteArm port of Devuan20:52
parabytei spoke to the guy who is working on it here and i cant remember your name20:52
parabyteif you are here i have a few questions i cant seem to find on google20:52
golinuxparabyte: #devuan-arm might be a good place to ask also20:53
asbestohello nice people20:53
asbesto<320:53
fsmithredparabyte, are you thinking of me? We spoke about arm, but I don't work on arm or know anything about it.21:13
bb|hcbparabyte: maybe its best to ask your questions and let's see if someone knows the answer?22:31
raindodgerWhat's the question?22:33
gnarfacei think the question was both asked and answered in #devuan-arm; <parabyte> is firefox and chromium stock from debian or recompiled with different flags?22:35
parabytemy hardware does not like neon cpu flags22:37
parabyteand chromium and firefox are compiled with those flags22:37
gnarfaceparabyte: almost all of the packages are the exact same debian ones, served by http redirect even, not mirrored22:44
gnarfaceparabyte: the rebuilt ones should have "devuan" in the version name22:45
bb|hcbhttps://wiki.debian.org/ArchitectureSpecificsMemo#arm6422:46
parabytegnarface, ahhhh thanks for that tip, i never noticed the devuan prefix in packages22:47
bb|hcbThat is the Debian baseline for arm64; in case your cpu does not support neon extensions, there isn't much to do about that. You can use the 32bit armel or rebuild everyting with a different baseline setting (which is obviously not an option)22:48
gnarfacewhich armv8 chips don't support neon?22:54
gnarfaceparabyte: not to be a pedant, but it's technically a suffix not a prefix.  i don't want you looking in the wrong place22:54
parabytehaha thanks gnarface22:55

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