| Guest9614 | Hi I just installed chimaera and was wondering how I install kde or other desktops? | 00:06 |
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| tk | mum38: using apt? | 00:19 |
| mum38 | yes | 00:19 |
| tk | hmm, looks like devuan does not package kde | 00:22 |
| mum38 | ok | 00:22 |
| golinux | mum38: Of course we have KDE available | 00:26 |
| brocashelm | task-kde-desktop | 00:26 |
| tk | ah, never mind, I screwed up searching for it | 00:28 |
| tk | it is indeed listed | 00:28 |
| mum38 | hunting around I found an article on tde desktop ... It looks good so I'll try that and task-kde-desktop :-) | 00:29 |
| golinux | The two are quite different. gtk vs qt for one | 00:31 |
| mum38 | I can try them both without problems? | 00:33 |
| golinux | You might want to have a look at this https://tech.slashdot.org/story/22/01/22/1751259/kde-powering-qts-new-framework-lets-developers-bring-ads-into-their-apps | 00:33 |
| golinux | QT is going in a monetizing direction | 00:34 |
| syco | old news | 00:34 |
| golinux | syco: Yup/. Just recently in the news though. | 00:35 |
| gnarface | mum38: you can install all the desktops concurrently, but if you're using a graphical login manager, they don't all play nice with the same ones | 00:35 |
| mum38 | Can't do without fiat debt currency in this pope god driven world lol | 00:35 |
| syco | im still using 2 QT apps .. Clementine and Kate :/ | 00:35 |
| gnarface | mum38: so, it's possible to test them all if you know what you're doing, but if you don't it'll be a minor annoyance followed by a learning opportunity | 00:36 |
| golinux | Test in a VM before installing to disk | 00:36 |
| mum38 | gnarface I'm using the standard default login that comes with chimaera... It should work F1 key to choose either ? | 00:37 |
| golinux | KDE is a resource hog. | 00:37 |
| mum38 | oh it is hmmm I have minimal ram so kde is out then... | 00:38 |
| gnarface | mum38: i think it should work but i haven't tested it in chimaera, and in beowulf there was an issue where it might not work if you didn't know to manually install a non-default alternate permissions-backend dependency library (i rarely deal graphical logins except on machines i have to share with others) | 00:40 |
| brocashelm | there's also mate you can try if you don't want to use xfce | 00:40 |
| brocashelm | it's basically a protest de after gnome 3 came out | 00:40 |
| gnarface | mum38: if you're low on ram though, using zram-tools for zram-swap might mitigate any big issues | 00:41 |
| mum38 | oh I'll look into mate too... | 00:41 |
| brocashelm | openbox is MUCH lighter than xfwm4 | 00:41 |
| mum38 | never heard of zram-tools... | 00:41 |
| gnarface | mum38: you might need some help setting it up initially since they gutted the sysvinit support but i can flip you my hand-made init.sh for it if you need it | 00:42 |
| mum38 | I'm not a whizz on operating systems at all lol I just learn from articles and follow the information... | 00:44 |
| mum38 | lol | 00:44 |
| gnarface | basically it just uses standard compression algorithms to give you a very fast swap partition on a small ramdisk | 00:45 |
| mum38 | ok | 00:45 |
| gnarface | it's great for systems with very little physical ram or crappy slow/high-wear flash-based storage | 00:45 |
| gnarface | if you read the instructions you shouldn't have any problems setting it up to test it, but like i said you might need help making it start automatically at boot | 00:47 |
| mum38 | ok I'll be back tde installed and openbox going to try them out... :) | 00:47 |
| gnarface | good luck! | 00:49 |
| golinux | mum38: We have a derivative based on TDE | 00:49 |
| golinux | http://exegnulinux.net/ | 00:50 |
| golinux | Might have a live disk that you can preview without installing | 00:50 |
| mum38 | ok yes that be good... | 00:50 |
| golinux | Yup. It's a "live" disk and you can install from there if you like it. | 00:50 |
| golinux | It was one of our first derivatives. :) | 00:51 |
| golinux | Let us know how it goes! | 00:52 |
| mum38 | Will do login out.... Thanks for all the advice... | 00:52 |
| qwestion | Any open power users? Is it dailydriveable? | 00:53 |
| gnarface | i think i vaguely recall someone mentioned they were gonna pick one of those up but i don't recall how it turned out | 01:01 |
| gnarface | should work as well as debian does on them though | 01:02 |
| qwestion | From https://wiki.raptorcs.com/wiki/Operating_System_Compatibility_List : | 01:10 |
| qwestion | Devuan4.0 ppc64le MPC7500 Works | 01:10 |
| qwestion | He posted his parts list too, | 01:10 |
| cytokine_storm | golinux: thanks | 04:05 |
| golinux | cytokine_storm: Info like that can be found in the Release Notes. https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/Release_notes.txt | 04:33 |
| golinux | However, since it has always been that way in Devuan, probably not in the recent iterations of that document. | 04:34 |
| ibanja | Does anyone have experience with nilfs2? I was thinking of using it on my 6TB backup drive. | 17:12 |
| Vall | Howdy everyone. Is there a "Chimaera Backports" repo? What line(s) do I need to add to my APT sources in order to use it? | 18:40 |
| Vall | Google brought this up, but I was hoping for more Devuan-specific info: https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/) | 18:41 |
| fsmithred | Vall, there is, and the line looks like the others but says chimaera-backports instead of chimaera | 18:41 |
| fsmithred | and you might already have the line in sources.list but commented out. | 18:42 |
| Vall | fsmithred: thanks, will check that out | 18:43 |
| Vall | fsmithred: you are right: grep -ri backports /etc/apt | 18:44 |
| Vall | /etc/apt/sources.list:deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera-backports main contrib non-free | 18:44 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 18:45 |
| Vall | So I think I just need to indicate it specifically via `apt install -t chimaera-backports` | 18:45 |
| fsmithred | yes | 18:51 |
| fsmithred | because the priority is lower | 18:51 |
| Vall | fsmithred: seems to have worked: among a fuckton of other packages it's bringing this is: | 18:58 |
| Vall | *this in: | 18:58 |
| Vall | Get:87 http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera-backports/main arm64 qemu-system-arm arm64 1:6.1+dfsg-6~bpo11+1 [7,794 kB] | 18:59 |
| fsmithred | weird | 19:00 |
| fsmithred | add --no-install-recommends | 19:00 |
| Vall | too late, finished already | 19:01 |
| fsmithred | I have that set as my default. | 19:02 |
| Vall | `apt-get remove && apt-get auto-remove` and then try again with that option? | 19:02 |
| Vall | OK, did it and worked | 19:04 |
| golinux | Vall: For future reference: https://www.devuan.org/os/packages | 19:05 |
| fsmithred | $ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00norecommends | 19:06 |
| fsmithred | APT::Install-Recommends "no"; | 19:06 |
| Vall | thanks golinux ! | 19:06 |
| Vall | fsmithred: now with ` --no-install-recommends it installed just 27 packages instead of 92 as previously | 19:09 |
| Vall | just a small difference ;-) | 19:09 |
| Vall | Will add /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00norecommends as you did | 19:09 |
| fsmithred | yeah, you can always install something that was excluded if you decide you want it. | 19:11 |
| Vall | Yeah | 19:12 |
| Vall | Even so it installed some stuff I think I don't really need, like "dbus-x11" | 19:16 |
| Vall | (this is a headless machine) | 19:16 |
| fsmithred | aptitude why dbus-x11 (except you probably don't have aptitude) | 19:17 |
| fsmithred | or try to remove it and see what it wants to take with it | 19:19 |
| Tenkawa | apt-cache rdepends --installed dbus-x11 | 19:20 |
| fsmithred | oh nice. I didn't know you could use --installed there | 19:21 |
| Tenkawa | yeah they wrapped dbus-x11 in with dbus-user-session it appears | 19:23 |
| Tenkawa | makes sense from an integration standpoint… hard to unwind though | 19:23 |
| Guest28 | If I have an app that doesn't work because it expects to find "systemctl", is there a workaround? | 22:09 |
| gnarface | if Guest28 comes back, ask if they looked at this: systemctl - daemonless "systemctl" command to manage services without systemd | 23:07 |
| gnarface | or maybe this one: systemctl-service-shim - Adds systemctl translator script | 23:07 |
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