| oemb1905z | any idea when time server issue in gnome chimaera will be fixed, time been broken for roughly 4/6 weeks now? | 00:02 |
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| oemb1905z | someone earlier said ntp update/package issue, just curious | 00:03 |
| Xenguy | really, hrm | 00:04 |
| Xenguy | I bet gnarface might know | 00:04 |
| gnarface | no, i don't shit about what is going on in gnome these days | 00:05 |
| Xenguy | oh well, my bad | 00:06 |
| gnarface | someone was looking for ntp earlier but i think they just forgot to set their local system time before querying the repo | 00:06 |
| gnarface | oemb1905: i think the last ntp issue mentioned was self-inflicted. i'm not using gnome but ntp in chimaera is still working fine here. | 00:08 |
| gnarface | oemb1905: can you expand on time being broken? | 00:09 |
| Xenguy | oemb1905, maybe give chrony a look | 00:09 |
| Xenguy | Seems to be working alright here | 00:09 |
| oemb1905 | are you using gnome? | 00:18 |
| gnarface | Xenguy: ^ | 00:18 |
| oemb1905 | what's chrony? I will follow back and try out if it updates time | 00:18 |
| oemb1905 | mine is 1.5 hours off now, buttons in settings do nothing, same with dpkg-reconfigure tzdata ... all nothing | 00:19 |
| oemb1905 | brb | 00:19 |
| _ds_ | ntpdate should be useful for a one-off synchronisation | 00:34 |
| gnarface | yea | 00:35 |
| Xenguy | I hate GNOME | 00:36 |
| syco | don't use it :p | 00:37 |
| Xenguy | They are the antithesis of what I want to run on a linux desktop | 00:37 |
| Xenguy | But I'll restrain myself and avoid that tangent | 00:37 |
| _ds_ | Yes. Stay with what's normal. | 00:39 |
| Xenguy | But normal is weird? | 00:40 |
| golinux | Stay on topic which is support not opinion | 00:43 |
| psionic | last good gnome was the 2.x series | 00:54 |
| psionic | im seriously out of track with whats going on desktop wide as using fluxbox sine 15 years | 00:55 |
| psionic | will be doing so in the next 30 | 00:55 |
| al1r4d | Hello | 01:51 |
| blizzow | I've installed a bare-bones devuan instance from debootstrap. I'm looking to run the instance as a KVM hypervisor with libvirtd. I also have chosen runit as my service system. | 02:55 |
| blizzow | When I try and connect to the libvirt daemon remotely I get a weird message whining about polkit and gdbus issues. | 02:55 |
| brocashelm | runit works well as init, although keep in mind most of it still reliant on sysvinit scripts for service management | 02:55 |
| brocashelm | although there are some runit scripts you could experiment with instead of using service command | 02:56 |
| blizzow | Anyone here know of a good howto for setting up devuan as a KVM hypervisor that uses libvirt? | 02:56 |
| blizzow | This is what I was getting: | 02:57 |
| blizzow | error: error from service: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: Action org.libvirt.unix.manage is not registered | 02:57 |
| rwp | blizzow, My libvirt hypervisor systems happen to still be running Beowulf. Everything works normally for me. | 03:02 |
| rwp | Unfortunately I haven't upgraded them to Chimaera yet so I lack actual experience with that combination. | 03:02 |
| blizzow | rwp, I'm doing something even worse. I'm trying to run daedalus. | 03:03 |
| rwp | But you said you installed it as a bare-bones debootstrap. That makes me think there are just things missing that need to be installed. | 03:03 |
| blizzow | Aptitude is usually very good at picking up dependencies. | 03:04 |
| rwp | Well in theory it should work fine there. And in theory there is no difference between theory and practice. | 03:04 |
| rwp | I have these packages installed on the server: libvirt-clients libvirt-daemon libvirt-daemon-system libvirt0 python3-libvirt libspice-server1 | 03:04 |
| rwp | And of course on the client I have: libvirt-clients spice-client-glib-usb-acl-helper spice-client-gtk libspice-client-gtk-3.0-5 libspice-client-glib-2.0-8 gir1.2-spiceclientgtk-3.0 gir1.2-spiceclientglib-2. | 03:06 |
| rwp | Hoping that by looking at those lists it will provide a hint of something you are missing. | 03:06 |
| rwp | Again, that list is from beowulf. | 03:06 |
| blizzow | No worries. Looks like doing an apt install on that brought in some extras (libvirt-daemon-system for one). | 03:07 |
| rwp | I also have these policy kit related packages: libpolkit-agent-1-0 libpolkit-backend-1-0 libpolkit-backend-elogind-1-0 libpolkit-gobject-1-0 libpolkit-gobject-elogind-1-0 | 03:08 |
| blizzow | What's up with elogind? I'm n00b to devuan. | 03:08 |
| rwp | libvirt-daemon-system could be the missing sauce. Since that includes the init scripts that runit will be using in compatibility mode to start things up. | 03:08 |
| rwp | elogind is a compatible non-systemd version of systemd-logind which sets up control groups as systemd likes them. | 03:09 |
| rwp | Specifically Desktop Environments are wanting the cgroup setup that way and want a (e)logind to interact with to do it. | 03:10 |
| blizzow | Thanks for the info. I'm coming over from void and slackware. I stopped using debian with the systemd stuff. Looks like the libvird-daemon-system did the trick. | 03:10 |
| rwp | Excellent! \o/ | 03:11 |
| brocashelm | i'm using ceres and having zero complaints | 03:11 |
| rwp | I know it can work. It's the bootstrapping oneself along from nothing that is the only issue. You don't know what you need until you need it and the error messages are hard to connect to what you really need. | 03:12 |
| rwp | For me the ones that don't get installed unless I explicitly ask for them, and therefore have to know, are the spice clients. They are seemingly required but only a Recommends. | 03:14 |
| rwp | Although maybe that is improved in later OS releases. I just remember that being a problem for me. | 03:14 |
| rwp | Of course I mean required for using virt-manager and virt-viewer for a graphical console. | 03:15 |
| rwp | Definitely not needed for "virsh console foo-vm" using a serial console. | 03:15 |
| blizzow | I'm using virt manager from my laptop to connect to this hypervisor, so all the spice/vnc/rdp client stuff I'm hoping won't need to go on my server. | 03:16 |
| blizzow | Is runit not fully baked for an init system and it's still crutching along with init.d? I'd like to restart my networking layer on this server and not seeing anything in /etc/sv that's up my alley. | 03:19 |
| rwp | Unfortunately correct. It works using mostly compatibility mode with the traditional init scripts. | 03:23 |
| rwp | So you would want to restart "networking" probably. | 03:23 |
| rwp | However!! For whatever reason not related to inits but somehow related to bridging if I restart networking with my bridge it does not reconnect guests to it. | 03:24 |
| rwp | I end up needing to reboot all of the guests in that case. Fortunately a pretty unusual situation. I only ever hit that once. Because I was doing something unusual. | 03:24 |
| rwp | afk... bbiab | 03:26 |
| oemb1905 | Xenguy: early gnome sucked and I used MATE for years after the fork, but G3 is not what it used to be, very extensible, only problem is systemd dependencies | 04:28 |
| oemb1905 | just need to know if time issue is a systemd issue or not | 04:28 |
| oemb1905 | if it is, i will use Awesome or i3 or maybe even highly tweaked MATE ... just need my time to work | 04:29 |
| * golinux was just going to suggest Mate | 04:29 | |
| oemb1905 | early gnome3* | 04:32 |
| gnarface | oemb1905: do you have ntp installed? | 04:34 |
| oemb1905 | i'll check but my understanding it is by defauly | 04:40 |
| oemb1905 | t*, one sec | 04:40 |
| oemb1905 | gnarface: dude, wtf would cause ntp to get removed? that's my bad ofc, should have checked, but shouldn't that be there already? regardless, THANKS!!!! | 04:43 |
| oemb1905 | I got time back ;> | 04:43 |
| gnarface | install-time choices vastly vary the default packages | 04:44 |
| oemb1905 | alright, i'll get more old school and granular on upgrades, maybe a conflict on a third party pulled it out, ty again | 04:45 |
| gnarface | yea no problem, always verify those removes when you're installing or upgrading | 04:45 |
| oemb1905 | true, true, didn't expect a problem at that layer got sloppy, my b | 04:45 |
| gnarface | but you might simply have gotten it by default last time due to different task selections for all i know | 04:46 |
| oemb1905 | oh it was for sure there before ofc | 04:46 |
| oemb1905 | hence my question above | 04:46 |
| gnarface | luckily there's very little you can't change after install | 04:46 |
| oemb1905 | but just like hardware, with software ... don't check that it is plugged in, but verify it is installed lmao | 04:46 |
| oemb1905 | so my bad lol | 04:46 |
| oemb1905 | ty, just glad i got it fixed, feel dumb but still happy no joke | 04:47 |
| FilipZ | Hi! I have a problem with a malfunctioning Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3165 wireless adapter. It previously randomly ceased to work without a clear reason, but now it also loses packets while it still "works" | 08:40 |
| FilipZ | How could I find out what could be the reason and how to fix this? | 08:41 |
| gnarface | is this on chimaera? | 08:43 |
| FilipZ | Yes. It is. | 08:43 |
| gnarface | having the same problem with entirely different wifi hardware | 08:44 |
| gnarface | but i'm trying to run linux on both ends | 08:44 |
| gnarface | are you connecting to some commercial wifi router or a linux box? | 08:45 |
| gnarface | there might be some combination of settings that works better... if you find anything out let me know | 08:46 |
| gnarface | i seem to be having multiple problems and they may not be device specific | 08:46 |
| gnarface | one of them was power supply related though | 08:47 |
| gnarface | check to make sure you have supplied the device with enough power if you're running this from some small SBC | 08:47 |
| FilipZ | I used a separate WIFI router, and also tried with the access point through my phone, but the problem with the lost packets happens in both of the cases. And the problem with my wireless adapter randomly ceasing to work happened to me earlier before it. If that could matter, it seems that my graphic card also started malfunctioning in about the same time, when I started to lose some of the packets, though I don't see if it could be | 08:58 |
| FilipZ | ow related. It appeared to me that the graphic card sometimes visibly stopped properly working with the game it worked before(the game performance dropped like it worked only with the builtin Intel graphic card), but it seems that it happened just after I changed the graphical settings. The game uses Vulkan. The problem dissapeared after the restart. The issue with a wireless card, randomly ceasing to work seem to happen either sho | 08:58 |
| FilipZ | fter I turn the computer on, or after a long time of usage, but the issue with it losing some of the packets seem to happen all the time. | 08:58 |
| FilipZ | I am supplied my Laptop with power, using the vendor provided power supply. | 09:00 |
| FilipZ | So I think that it shouldn't be a reason there. | 09:01 |
| gnarface | is there a newer wifi firmware package in chimaera-backports yet? | 09:26 |
| gnarface | if there is a newer kernel and firmware in chimaera-backports you might want to try them | 09:27 |
| gnarface | in my case the packet loss issue goes away if i move very close to the router | 09:28 |
| gnarface | suggesting an antenna or power issue | 09:28 |
| gnarface | or someone is jaming it | 09:28 |
| gnarface | jamming* | 09:28 |
| gnarface | you could try changing channels on the router | 09:28 |
| FilipZ | I couldn't find any more recent wireless software in the -backports, unfortunately. | 10:26 |
| FilipZ | That would be iwlwifi | 10:27 |
| gnarface | did beowulf work better? | 10:42 |
| gnarface | i tried beowulf in my situation and it did not help | 10:42 |
| gnarface | but it might for you if it used to work | 10:42 |
| gnarface | if you upgraded, the beowulf kernel may still be installed and you might still be able to just reboot to it | 10:44 |
| FilipZ | I didn't use beowulf. | 11:01 |
| FilipZ | Also, I just had another wireless card failure, and some other, strange bug regarding the input. | 11:01 |
| FilipZ | In the case of this bug, it looks like the system ceased to accept input from some keys, or accepted it in a restricted manner. | 11:03 |
| FilipZ | I could for example interact with what was in the window of the internet browser, but when I tried to do something with the system taskbar, it did not react at all. | 11:05 |
| FilipZ | Also within another program, it didn't react to the middle mouse button at all. | 11:05 |
| FilipZ | Is it a known bug? | 11:05 |
| FilipZ | Oh, and when trying to interact with the border of the internet browser window, it didn't react as well. | 11:06 |
| FilipZ | It happened to me from time to time, rather rarely, but still. | 11:07 |
| FilipZ | Why would it be like this? | 11:07 |
| gnarface | it could be a lot of things going wrong | 11:39 |
| gnarface | but it is most commonly a video driver issue, maybe a memory leak or something worse | 11:40 |
| gnarface | it could also be related to memory or cpu load issues | 11:40 |
| gnarface | may or may not be related | 11:40 |
| nemo | https://m8y.org/tmp/laptop.txt - getting a lot of ACPI errors - impacting brightness control and probably suspend. Was not getting them in 5.16 (I rolled back to 5.10 because doing a frankenstein chimæra with a 5.16 kernel was getting unmanageable once I had to also install 30 packages for wifi) | 17:28 |
| nemo | (to build a wifi module) | 17:28 |
| nemo | I guess the fix would be to wait until ceres gets 5.16, then switch this laptop to that | 17:28 |
| nemo | in the interim just do some xrandr hack for adjusting brightness a bit. | 17:29 |
| nemo | yeah, xrandr is not really the option most of time. fake brightness only compensates a bit. rebooting does help, so clearly *something* cranks it down (maybe BIOS related to on/off battery?) and only rebooting on AC power restores it. | 17:49 |
| nemo | welp. fingers cross for the ceres kernel update | 17:50 |
| richard | hello | 18:42 |
| used____ | Re: Android cli file access via USB and MTP on Beowulf: solved. Ignore mtp-tools, do this: `sudo apt install jmtpfs; mkdir ~/tmp/android` ;; then: `jmtpfs ~/tmp/android/; ls ~/tmp/android/; fusermount -u ~/tmp/android/` -- verified works. Make sure the device is _NOT_ mounted in the file manager or elsewhere. mtp-tools is the usual gnome hodge podge with no docs, and total dbus etc undocumented usage. | 18:55 |
| used____ | mtp-hotplug is interesting but had to read source to make some sense of it, needs recompilation to do useful work. | 18:55 |
| used____ | The simple-mtpfs tools are apparently not available in Beowulf. | 18:57 |
| used____ | Alas, jmtpfs does not report device serial#, have to look in syslog for that. | 19:10 |
| used____ | Is everyone snowed in and chattering teeth? ;) | 19:12 |
| onefang | It's start of a heat wave on this side of the planet. | 19:14 |
| onefang | Predicted to be 32 C today, 35 tomorrow, 36 the day after, then 28. Hoping we actually get those, coz I want to test out my new air conditioner. lol | 19:17 |
| onefang | But enough off topics, back to support. | 19:18 |
| xrogaan | onefang: are you on that land down under? | 22:51 |
| xrogaan | s/are you on/are you from/ | 22:53 |
| jason1234 | how to install ETQW on devuan ? | 22:59 |
| leah | where can i download src iso | 23:17 |
| leah | like dvd-1 dvd-2 dvd-3 etc when download debian src | 23:17 |
| debdog | leah: https://files.devuan.org/ | 23:19 |
| leah | cheers | 23:20 |
| leah | should probably make it more obvious on download page | 23:20 |
| debdog | yeah, my though as well | 23:20 |
| debdog | *thought | 23:20 |
| leah | oh no, this is the same thing i saw | 23:20 |
| leah | i don't see src iso there | 23:20 |
| debdog | you actually mean src as in sources? | 23:21 |
| leah | yeah | 23:21 |
| debdog | I don't think anything like this exists | 23:21 |
| leah | i want to start preinstalling devuan on machines that my company sells | 23:21 |
| leah | but my policy is: i always provide full src | 23:22 |
| debdog | OIC | 23:22 |
| leah | i'm guessing probably debian dvd-1 src would do it | 23:22 |
| leah | plus whatever's on devuan's git | 23:22 |
| debdog | well, most of the packages are exactly the same as for debian so you could fetch the DVDs there | 23:23 |
| debdog | right | 23:23 |
| fluffywolf | after upgrading to chimaera, xmms gets stuck at the end of each track and doesn't advance to the next one. I'm guessing it's hanging up on the alsa device somehow. any ideas of things I should check before I start trying to figure out how to debug xmms's interaction with alsalib? | 23:24 |
| leah | i think the devuan project should distribute src iso's | 23:24 |
| leah | and update them with each release too | 23:24 |
| leah | the reason is because of gplv2 compliance, in gplv2 you can't outsource provision of source code to a third party. the distributor of a binary must distribute the full source code | 23:25 |
| fluffywolf | I suppose it could also be something with the mp3 reading section, but it doesn't feel like it... | 23:25 |
| leah | gplv3 allowed to outsource this to third party | 23:25 |
| leah | i'm not trying to be a troll or annoying here, just stating a fact. devuan might actually be violating the gplv2. but i could be wrong. you need to provide source iso's like debian does | 23:26 |
| leah | here are debian ones: | 23:26 |
| leah | https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/source/iso-dvd/ | 23:26 |
| leah | you can see source code ISOs here | 23:26 |
| leah | i'm perfectly content to just install devuan. but it's something your project should consider | 23:27 |
| leah | it's the most technical of technicalities... the reason gplv2 does that is because in 1991, internet wasn't common | 23:27 |
| fluffywolf | yep, it's definitely an output thing - and it only does it on my usb dac, not on my laptop's internal sound. so it's an alsa issue. | 23:27 |
| leah | so it insists that the distributor of a binary must directly distribute source code. it can't outsource to someone else | 23:27 |
| leah | of course, debian netinstaller for instance will download updated packages during install, which might not match src iso's. but as far as gplv2 is concerned: you downloaded, say, debian netinst 11.2 iso. and debian provides 11.2 src. and that satisfies things | 23:28 |
| golinux | leah: The source is a git.devuan.o90rg | 23:29 |
| golinux | .org | 23:29 |
| debdog | looking at https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/ it seems devuan isn't distributing the non-altered packages. | 23:29 |
| leah | however, are all packages in devuan available on git.devuan.org? | 23:30 |
| leah | if yes, then that's fine. though it means i have to git clone every repo | 23:30 |
| golinux | Here you go https://git.devuan.org/devuan/installer-iso | 23:30 |
| golinux | leah: Only the forked packages are in the devuan repo. Debian packages are merged untouched by us. | 23:31 |
| leah | ok | 23:32 |
| debdog | it all depends on the definition of "distribute", I think | 23:32 |
| leah | but you do need to distribute those sources from devuan.org | 23:32 |
| golinux | This is the magic that makes it happen https://git.devuan.org/devuan/amprolla3 | 23:32 |
| leah | golinux: i could be wrong but i think that repo just builds the installer right? | 23:33 |
| golinux | The first link yes | 23:33 |
| fluffywolf | per the gpl v2 text, "If distribution of executable or object code is made by offering access to copy from a designated place, then offering equivalent access to copy the source code from the same place counts as distribution of the source code" | 23:33 |
| fluffywolf | if we're not mailing out dvds, we don't need to mail out source dvds either. | 23:34 |
| leah | "from the same place" | 23:34 |
| leah | and that means devuan.org. you distribute source code for devuan-specific packages | 23:34 |
| leah | but not the unaltered debian packages | 23:34 |
| leah | i could be wrong | 23:35 |
| fluffywolf | ok, then you can use "c) Accompany it with the information you received as to the offer to distribute corresponding source code. (This alternative is allowed only for noncommercial distribution and only if you received the program in object code or executable form with such an offer, in accord with Subsection b above.) " | 23:35 |
| golinux | leah: Minus packages that are banned https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt | 23:35 |
| fluffywolf | distributing the unmodified debian packages includes theinformation receieved as to their corresponding source from the debian archives. | 23:35 |
| fluffywolf | since the unmodified debian packages are received as object and executable form, the gpl explicitly says you can simple include the original information on where to get the source. | 23:37 |
| leah | ok | 23:38 |
| leah | well, sorry to bother. but this uncertainty means i won't use devuan commercially | 23:38 |
| fluffywolf | it seems pretty certain to me. :P | 23:38 |
| rrq | I would do "apt-get source $package" if I wanted the source for $package | 23:39 |
| golinux | rrq: You're late to the party . . . | 23:41 |
| fluffywolf | their gripe is that we don't mirror all the source packages, and instead they get downloaded from debian's archives. I don't even know if this is true or not, but I do know it's not a gpl violation, per the quote above. | 23:42 |
| rrq | yeah it happens regularly that someone wants the devs to do more | 23:43 |
| fluffywolf | speaking of mirrors, looks like the mirror status script is broken. (specifically, it lists every mirror as failed...) | 23:48 |
| fluffywolf | now what the heck do I do about this alsa problem? being unable to play music more than one track at a time is not ok. heh. | 23:49 |
| jason1234 | alsa supports multi use from processes | 23:50 |
| jason1234 | so all will use kernel alsa. | 23:50 |
| fluffywolf | that's not the issue. the issue is xmms hangs at the end of every track, probably waiting for alsa to do something. | 23:50 |
| onefang | Which mirror status script? apt-panopticon is showing things are fine. | 23:50 |
| jason1234 | xmms shall not hang | 23:51 |
| jason1234 | likely your file is corrupoted | 23:51 |
| fluffywolf | whatever fills http://deb.devuan.org/mirror_status.html | 23:51 |
| jason1234 | try maybe mpg123 to check if the file can be read well, mpg123 *.mp3 | 23:51 |
| fluffywolf | I have tried it on multiple files from multiple sources, and it does not do it when playing to my laptop speakers, only to my usb dac. it worked fine in beowulf. | 23:51 |
| fluffywolf | xmms just sits there at 00:00 remaining until I manually push the next track button. | 23:52 |
| onefang | Try https://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html or http://veritas.devuan.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html or https://borta.devuan.dev/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html. | 23:52 |
| fluffywolf | I'm guessing something in the kernel or alsalib is behaving differently now... | 23:52 |
| leah | i had an idea | 23:53 |
| fluffywolf | onefang: I don't actually need to check mirror statuses; I just noticed that file seems to be broken. if it's outdated, maybe the script that's generating it should be disabled and the file removed... | 23:53 |
| leah | i saw this page: https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-to-get-source-code-of-package-using-the-apt-command-on-debian-or-ubuntu/ | 23:53 |
| jason1234 | fluffywolf: one reason more, why I use NetBSD. All is working in BSD ;) | 23:53 |
| leah | could i not simply add deb-src to sources.list in my devuan install, and then list all packages i have, and for each one, download the source code via apt? | 23:54 |
| fluffywolf | I'm really, really not in the mood to bisect kernel and alsalib versions. heh. | 23:54 |
| fluffywolf | leah: of course? apt-get source works perfectly... | 23:54 |
| leah | a bit convoluted to be sure, but may actually be superior to me distributing src ISOs to my customers, because then i can be absolutely sure i have the correct source code for each actual installed package | 23:54 |
| leah | the alternative is to install the packages just from the release, not updated versions of packages (so don't use netinst), and distribute src iso if available. that's what i do on debian | 23:55 |
| leah | on devuan i could use apt-get source | 23:55 |
| jason1234 | apt-get source is kinda hell + it needs root | 23:56 |
| leah | for unaltered debian packages, i assume devuan copies src and just builds it right? | 23:56 |
| jason1234 | why not using pkgsrc ? it needs no root even. | 23:56 |
| fluffywolf | are you going to package and distribute 17 DVDs for the lulz? | 23:56 |
| leah | or do you copy such packages via their binaries verbatim | 23:56 |
| leah | fluffywolf: yes | 23:56 |
| fluffywolf | I haven't seen a physical dvd in years. :P | 23:56 |
| leah | but i distribute src on the hdd/ssd of the machine i sell | 23:57 |
| leah | i sell computers with debian, but i've been absolutely livid about systemd recently causing me many problems, and i finally decided to jump to a non-systemd distro | 23:57 |
| leah | i looked at mx-linux but their project is a mess | 23:58 |
| onefang | And after the first update, some of that source will be out of date. | 23:58 |
| leah | yeah | 23:58 |
| jason1234 | leah: why not devuan or slackware? | 23:58 |
| leah | that's why apt-get source is great | 23:58 |
| leah | slackware hasn't had a release since 2016 i think | 23:58 |
| jason1234 | leah: slackware is the most reliable linux distribution. You put a newer kernel and roll baby. | 23:58 |
| leah | well, yes, linux has a very stable abi | 23:59 |
| onefang | Think you have gone #devuan-offtopic for this support channel. B-) | 23:59 |
| leah | i'll try apt-get source | 23:59 |
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