libera/#devuan/ Tuesday, 2022-02-01

fsmithredI've sometimes seen something like that after changing screen resolution.00:02
Josh_2hi, is there a repo for dophin-emu?00:16
Josh_2Sorry a package00:16
rrqmisspelled dolphin-emu?00:18
Josh_2A mistake here, but not in my term00:20
Josh_2:(00:20
rrq beowulf has 5.0+dfsg-5, ceres has 5.0+dfsg-600:23
Josh_2I am using chimaera00:36
rrqSeems the bullseye story for dolphin-emu is here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=97653000:41
Josh_2I grabbed the beowulf one00:42
* _ds_ tries not to imagine Sir David Attenborough talking about that most unusual of creatures, the dolphin-emu00:52
onefanglol00:53
Voidlingif my machine shuts down itself, how can i check what is causing it?00:58
Voidlingnoticed that it only happens during gaming00:59
Josh_2How does the dolphin-emu package number translate to the dolphin emu version number?01:15
Josh_2the version numbers on their websites contain only numbers, but the package versions contain letters that I dont understand :(01:17
onefangVoidling: That might be a hardware problem.  You can look in your logs at the last things that happened just before it shut down.  Might give a clue.01:17
Josh_2oh gee its like 5 years old01:18
onefanghttps://wiki.debian.org/DebianMentorsFaq#What_does_.2BIBw-dfsg.2BIB0_or_.2BIBw-ds.2BIB0_in_the_version_string_mean.3F might be helpful to decode the dfsg part.01:22
gnarfaceVoidling: usually a complete, spontenous shutdown under load is thermal regulator or power supply related01:26
gnarfaceVoidling: check your fans, check your temperatures, put the thing on a battery, and if none of that works replace the power supply01:27
Voidlinggnarface you might be right there, the GPU temps are a bit wild, going up to 90c01:27
onefang90 C usually isn't good.01:28
Voidlingi don't understand how it heats up that much though01:29
gnarfacebut it could just be dirty power lines.... the power quality here in LA is horrific.  anything i didn't put a UPS on would spontaneously shut down under heavy load frequently enough to make the cost of the batteries a no-brainer01:30
gnarfaceoh... Voidling nvidia card?01:30
Voidlingi had the thermal paste leftovers replaced and gpu cleaned a couple of months ago01:30
onefangGaming running your graphics card hard, graphics card fan not working so well, might be full of dust or something.01:30
Voidlinggnarface it's an amd card01:30
gnarfaceVoidling: i've had that specific problem unique to NVidia cards, but sounds like you've already tried what i'd suggest in that case01:30
gnarfaceVoidling: just out of curiosity, are you using vsync?01:31
Voidlingnot in this speciffic game that i play01:31
gnarfaceVoidling: it should be noted there's a couple GPU killers in the catalog and you just need to use VSync on them01:31
Voidlingbecause it causes stutters and bad performance01:31
gnarfaceVoidling: (notably the menu screen of Starcraft 2)01:31
gnarfaceit wouldn't be a problem with anything that is running slow enough to stutter01:32
Voidlingwhat i've noticed is that wine/proton games that use dxvk insanely heat up my GPU01:32
Voidlingand use so much more RAM and VRAM that it's ridiculous01:32
gnarfacethey are known to do that actually.  that's vulkan working right01:32
Voidlingit alwas uses up my entire RAM and VRAM01:32
gnarfacebut 90C might be a bit too much01:32
Voidlingalways*01:32
gnarfaceyou might want to double-check your cooling solutions01:32
Voidlingwell, the case has one side open..01:33
Voidlingi dunno what else to do01:33
gnarfacebox fan pointed at it01:33
gnarfaceheh01:33
Voidlingi mean, it *shouldn't* heat up that much01:33
Voidlingthose temps are crazy01:33
gnarfaceno, it shouldn't.  you need to look at the fans carefully01:33
gnarfaceand the heatsync mounts01:33
onefangDouble check your GPU thermal paste and cleaning.  Maybe something went wrong with that?01:34
gnarfaceVoidling: which kernel and firmware-amd-graphics versions are you using?  the ones from chimaera?01:34
gnarfaceVoidling: also, which game?   it might help to know01:34
Voidling5.1501:34
Voidlingthink it's mesa 21. something01:34
Voidlingforgot how to check01:34
gnarfacedpkg -l |grep linux-image01:34
gnarfacedpkg -l |grep mesa01:34
Voidlingthe game is Warframe01:34
gnarfaceVoidling: a protondb post mentions you can set a fame limiter with out VSync... can you cap it to your monitor refresh rate without stuttering?01:36
gnarfaceVoidling: someone suggests that might actually help stuttering01:37
gnarfaceVoidling: are you using any launch options?01:37
Voidlingok lets see what i got01:38
Voidlingmesa 21.3.301:38
gnarfacesounds like you're on ceres?01:38
Voidlingoh, not at all01:38
gnarfaceor is this a chimaera system with a bunch of hand installs?01:38
Voidlingsorry i didn't mention that i'm on a different distro01:38
* gnarface facepalm01:38
gnarfacei would fucking buzzer you into the dunk tank right now01:39
buZzWHAT01:39
buZz'btw running windows 7 here'01:39
buZz:D01:39
Voidlingwell i used devuan before, remembered there are knowledgeable people here so thought to ask.. as this seems as more of a general/all distros kind of a problem01:40
Voidlinganyway, the launch options i use "WINE_FULLSCREEN_FSR=1 mangohud %command%"01:40
onefangThis is the Devuan support channel though.01:41
golinuxVoidling: That would belong in #devuan-offtopic01:41
golinuxPlease take it there01:41
gnarfaceVoidling: well protondb suggests also something like -useallavailablecores and -high but it sounds like that would just make your specific problem worse.  and yea, take it to #devuan-offtopic since this isn't a devuan support issue, and a proton support issue was already stretching it01:41
Voidlingbut system logs are the same on every distro..01:41
golinuxThis is a Devuan support channel01:42
gnarfaceVoidling: yea, but my only recourse is deductive version testing at this point, having to assume you actually did check your fans, and if your distro is a big mix of unknown versions it will be like chasing gremlins01:42
gnarfaceVoidling: first thing i would suggest: 1) recreate the problem on a clean devuan chimaera install01:43
gnarfaceVoidling: second thing i would suggest 2) recreate the problem with some other games (native ones, preferrably)01:43
onefangVoidling: You don't want to annoy Goddess golinux.  B-)01:43
VoidlingAm I annoying anyone?01:44
gnarfacenot yet but we do try to keep the airwaves clear for serious support issues here01:44
golinuxYes.  All of us.01:44
gnarfacewell maybe golinux.01:44
golinuxgnarface: Why do we have to waste bits logging this?01:45
gnarfaceVoidling: the point is, don't push it.  you're preceded by hordes of trolls and the tolerance is low01:45
onefang"<gnarface> i would fucking buzzer you into the dunk tank right now"  Seemed pretty annoyed to me.  lol01:45
VoidlingOk. well then fuck you golinux. have your shitty channel to yourself01:45
buZz?01:45
buZzgee01:45
buZzhow do ppl run linux without patience01:46
golinuxbuZz: I had you on speed dial01:46
gnarfaceonefang: fair point but i was just trying to practice diplomacy after that01:46
golinuxHe was on windows01:46
golinuxonefang didn't help. In fact, he created the situation . . .01:47
buZzgolinux: <301:47
onefangActually Voidling was on Linux, just not Devuan.  Kernel 5.15 and Mesa 21.3.3.01:47
buZzi was already looking though ;)01:48
buZzthey didnt seem -that- bad , imho01:48
buZzwas gonna suggest them #steamlug or #vronlinux or something01:48
golinuxJust not devuan support01:48
onefangI wonder if "buzzing" tagged buZz?01:48
buZzit did ;)01:48
buZz> MangoHud is a Vulkan/OpenGL overlay for monitoring FPS, temperatures, CPU/GPU load and more.01:48
buZzbuzzing doesnt, buzzer does01:48
gnarfacei would have helped him with another linux distro from -offtopic but not with Windows01:48
buZzonefang: full line is here ; 01:48:55    3 (?<!\.)buzz(?!feed|word|ing|kill|zzz|saw)  -regexp01:49
buZz:P01:49
onefangCrisis averted.  Back to Devuan support.  Who has a Devuan support issue?01:49
buZznah it just works01:49
onefangJosh_2: Sorted out your dolphin-emu issue?01:50
gnarfacei see dolphin-emu the repos...01:50
golinuxCan we please just stop this justification replay.01:51
gnarfaceoh, dolphin-emu is missing from just chimaera though01:51
golinuxMayve take it to offtopic.01:51
Josh_2onefang: nope all the versions are so old that I cannot play with my frens :(01:52
golinuxIt wastes bits here. Let it fade into oblivion on offtopic.01:52
golinuxPlease everyone . . . just stop,m01:52
onefangJosh_2's issue IS a Devuan issue.01:53
brocashelmi only see dolphin-emu in ascii, beowulf, and ceres01:55
brocashelmno success installing from one of those repos?01:55
gnarfacebasically the same versions in beowulf and ceres, i'd bet one of them would work01:55
brocashelmyeah, they have the same dependencies01:55
Josh_2They work but they are old02:25
brocashelmthat was my issue with pcsx2; i just enabled the daily builds ppa and moved on02:39
brocashelmi use ceres, just to be specific02:39
* systemdlete cannot contain himself.  LOL.   Hilarious.03:29
systemdleteI just don't understand it.   Windows 3.1 always used to work...03:29
systemdlete(I'm dying)03:30
systemdlete(from laughter)03:30
systemdleteOh, well you won't help me with fixing my '57 Chevy so just f- you and I'll go somewhere else for advice03:30
systemdletetoo funny03:31
* systemdlete wanders off to offtopic for more fun and games03:31
pingpongball2if i up some service, and `sudo vsv` shows the service still down , how can i know what is error form?07:32
sycopingpongball2, launch the servce manually and see what happens07:35
sycotry --verbose if the option is available07:36
sycoor worst case, strace it07:36
pingpongball2i've used `emacs --daemon` but it tells emacs daemon is already there07:37
pingpongball2but i've already disabled that daemon07:37
pingpongball2and when using vsv i cant see emacs07:37
E3D3Installing Devuan from a snapshot didn't install grub correct, so now I can't boot, and use a live distro. How can I correct the grub menu ?10:34
HurgotronDoesn't it find grub, or doesn't grub find the kernel?10:40
E3D3I don't know. The boot ends with a grub prompt10:42
E3D3there is a populated boot folder on the disk10:42
Hurgotrongrub prompt means the bootblock is there, but maybe it doesn't find the grub directory.10:44
Hurgotrontry grub-install <bootdisk-device>, probably from chroot to the installed distro10:45
E3D3it seems so. I just tried: os-prober; grub2-install  and get error:  grub2-install: error: failed to get canonical path of ‘none’.10:45
Hurgotronif it doesn't find the kernel, it's update-grub10:45
E3D3same error with chroot & grub-install10:46
Hurgotrondid you give the boot device as a parameter to grub-install?10:46
E3D3and same error with update-grub !?!?10:46
Hurgotronie. grub-install /dev/sda10:46
E3D3yes, I did: grub-install /dev/sda (and also tried /dev/sda2)10:47
Hurgotronhmm, interesting10:49
HurgotronDid you try googling for the error? It gets me https://askubuntu.com/questions/775103/grub2-update-grub-failed-to-get-canonical-path-of-none10:49
gnarfacelots of things could cause this in theory... someone just had the same error yesterday and it turned out that they'd installed grub to /dev/sda1 instead of /dev/sda.  it might be relevant that they were trying to dual-boot with the Windows bootloader loading before grub10:50
E3D3yes, I did, but because I hate reading/learning again about grub/grub2/uefi its hard to concentrate. I use it once in 4 years, and always forget what I just learned.10:51
E3D3I used the default for install grub from the snapshot, but I wouldn't be surprised if I also used /dev/sda2 (sda1 = my swap)10:52
E3D3I'm thinking about installing another os on the other free partition, and hope it add Devuan to its bootmenu. Or I install a fresh Devuan. Just to avoid waisting reading about grub again.10:54
fsmithredis this legacy bios or uefi? And did you try running 'update-grub' while in chroot?10:55
Hurgotronbtw, mounting /proc inside chroot might help, too10:56
Hurgotronand check if there's an old /boot/grub/device.map maybe10:56
E3D3fsmithred bios, and yes I tried update-grub in chroot too10:56
fsmithredother way is to run 'dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc' in chroot10:57
E3D3Hurgotron I have no idea about /proc, and forgot most of what I've read about grub to dive into grub-files.10:57
gnarfaceE3D3: for the chroot thing to work, you have to bind mount some directories; one or more of /proc, /dev, /sys, and /dev/pts10:58
fsmithredget a netinstall iso and boot to rescue mode and reinstall bootloader might be easiest fix10:58
syco-o bind10:58
E3D3fsmithred I'll try that. Is the following correct: mount /dev/sda2 /mnt; chroot /dev/sda2; dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc10:59
Hurgotronchroot /mnt   - dunno if the device works10:59
fsmithredyes, if you do it manually from a live-iso and you also do the bind-mounts11:00
gnarfaceE3D3: is it also dual-booting with Windows?  i don't know for sure that when you accepted the default it wouldn't have been trying to dodge the Windows bootloader11:00
fsmithredif you use rescue mode of netinstall, it'll do all that for you11:00
E3D3gnarface no I don't use Window$11:00
E3D3fsmithred then I download a netinstall. Thanks.11:01
gnarfacealright, do you have multiple harddrives?  another issue could be due to boot-order hysteresis11:01
fsmithreda completely different approach would be to boot manually from grub command-line. That's a way to figure out what's going on.11:01
gnarfaceyea, the missing menu prompt can basically just be typed in by hand11:02
E3D3gnarface I have 1 harddrive, and an external DVD-player with the live distro (PClinuxOS) in it.11:02
gnarfacefsmithred: (i'm assuming that's what he was specifically trying to avoid doing though)11:02
fsmithredlol, yeah11:02
gnarfaceE3D3: well the dvd drive shouldn't be /dev/sda but you know, double-check11:03
gnarfaceE3D3: some USB flash key would be a more likely culprit for a /dev/sda imposter11:03
E3D3fsmithred so bad I developed an alergy for grub, and that my chaotic grup-notes are on the disk that I just replaced because it was to old/crashes.11:04
gnarfacebut i've seen in some cases SATA drives switching order11:04
gnarfaceduring reboots11:04
fsmithredexternal DVD is usb?11:04
E3D3yes, usb11:05
fsmithredit might switch the order. I have at least one computer that does it with live-usb11:05
E3D3my internal DVD-drive is wasted (don't know the good word), just like my previous harddisk, that's why I use this.11:06
E3D3what is the netinstaller called; I see installer-iso and minimal-live, but no netinstall11:12
fsmithredinside installer-iso directory11:13
E3D3thanks11:13
fsmithredwhen you boot, choose Advanced options, Rescue, and then it'll go through language and keyboard setup, and they it'll give you some options. I think one of those options is 'install bootloader'11:14
fsmithredanother will probably be 'open a shell in /dev/sda2'11:15
E3D3I hope for the 'install bootloader' because if I use a netinstall I absolutely don't want a shell to manually configure grub11:17
E3D3thanks all for helping. Hope I can rapport soon from Devuan again.11:22
solirsHello ?17:39
HurgotronHello.17:40
UsLit's okay to say hello. Any friendly greeting will do17:41
solirsIm thinking about getting into devuan later17:42
onefangG'day.  Saluton mondon.  "Hello world."17:42
solirsHey17:42

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