fsmithred | I've sometimes seen something like that after changing screen resolution. | 00:02 |
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Josh_2 | hi, is there a repo for dophin-emu? | 00:16 |
Josh_2 | Sorry a package | 00:16 |
rrq | misspelled dolphin-emu? | 00:18 |
Josh_2 | A mistake here, but not in my term | 00:20 |
Josh_2 | :( | 00:20 |
rrq | beowulf has 5.0+dfsg-5, ceres has 5.0+dfsg-6 | 00:23 |
Josh_2 | I am using chimaera | 00:36 |
rrq | Seems the bullseye story for dolphin-emu is here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=976530 | 00:41 |
Josh_2 | I grabbed the beowulf one | 00:42 |
* _ds_ tries not to imagine Sir David Attenborough talking about that most unusual of creatures, the dolphin-emu | 00:52 | |
onefang | lol | 00:53 |
Voidling | if my machine shuts down itself, how can i check what is causing it? | 00:58 |
Voidling | noticed that it only happens during gaming | 00:59 |
Josh_2 | How does the dolphin-emu package number translate to the dolphin emu version number? | 01:15 |
Josh_2 | the version numbers on their websites contain only numbers, but the package versions contain letters that I dont understand :( | 01:17 |
onefang | Voidling: That might be a hardware problem. You can look in your logs at the last things that happened just before it shut down. Might give a clue. | 01:17 |
Josh_2 | oh gee its like 5 years old | 01:18 |
onefang | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMentorsFaq#What_does_.2BIBw-dfsg.2BIB0_or_.2BIBw-ds.2BIB0_in_the_version_string_mean.3F might be helpful to decode the dfsg part. | 01:22 |
gnarface | Voidling: usually a complete, spontenous shutdown under load is thermal regulator or power supply related | 01:26 |
gnarface | Voidling: check your fans, check your temperatures, put the thing on a battery, and if none of that works replace the power supply | 01:27 |
Voidling | gnarface you might be right there, the GPU temps are a bit wild, going up to 90c | 01:27 |
onefang | 90 C usually isn't good. | 01:28 |
Voidling | i don't understand how it heats up that much though | 01:29 |
gnarface | but it could just be dirty power lines.... the power quality here in LA is horrific. anything i didn't put a UPS on would spontaneously shut down under heavy load frequently enough to make the cost of the batteries a no-brainer | 01:30 |
gnarface | oh... Voidling nvidia card? | 01:30 |
Voidling | i had the thermal paste leftovers replaced and gpu cleaned a couple of months ago | 01:30 |
onefang | Gaming running your graphics card hard, graphics card fan not working so well, might be full of dust or something. | 01:30 |
Voidling | gnarface it's an amd card | 01:30 |
gnarface | Voidling: i've had that specific problem unique to NVidia cards, but sounds like you've already tried what i'd suggest in that case | 01:30 |
gnarface | Voidling: just out of curiosity, are you using vsync? | 01:31 |
Voidling | not in this speciffic game that i play | 01:31 |
gnarface | Voidling: it should be noted there's a couple GPU killers in the catalog and you just need to use VSync on them | 01:31 |
Voidling | because it causes stutters and bad performance | 01:31 |
gnarface | Voidling: (notably the menu screen of Starcraft 2) | 01:31 |
gnarface | it wouldn't be a problem with anything that is running slow enough to stutter | 01:32 |
Voidling | what i've noticed is that wine/proton games that use dxvk insanely heat up my GPU | 01:32 |
Voidling | and use so much more RAM and VRAM that it's ridiculous | 01:32 |
gnarface | they are known to do that actually. that's vulkan working right | 01:32 |
Voidling | it alwas uses up my entire RAM and VRAM | 01:32 |
gnarface | but 90C might be a bit too much | 01:32 |
Voidling | always* | 01:32 |
gnarface | you might want to double-check your cooling solutions | 01:32 |
Voidling | well, the case has one side open.. | 01:33 |
Voidling | i dunno what else to do | 01:33 |
gnarface | box fan pointed at it | 01:33 |
gnarface | heh | 01:33 |
Voidling | i mean, it *shouldn't* heat up that much | 01:33 |
Voidling | those temps are crazy | 01:33 |
gnarface | no, it shouldn't. you need to look at the fans carefully | 01:33 |
gnarface | and the heatsync mounts | 01:33 |
onefang | Double check your GPU thermal paste and cleaning. Maybe something went wrong with that? | 01:34 |
gnarface | Voidling: which kernel and firmware-amd-graphics versions are you using? the ones from chimaera? | 01:34 |
gnarface | Voidling: also, which game? it might help to know | 01:34 |
Voidling | 5.15 | 01:34 |
Voidling | think it's mesa 21. something | 01:34 |
Voidling | forgot how to check | 01:34 |
gnarface | dpkg -l |grep linux-image | 01:34 |
gnarface | dpkg -l |grep mesa | 01:34 |
Voidling | the game is Warframe | 01:34 |
gnarface | Voidling: a protondb post mentions you can set a fame limiter with out VSync... can you cap it to your monitor refresh rate without stuttering? | 01:36 |
gnarface | Voidling: someone suggests that might actually help stuttering | 01:37 |
gnarface | Voidling: are you using any launch options? | 01:37 |
Voidling | ok lets see what i got | 01:38 |
Voidling | mesa 21.3.3 | 01:38 |
gnarface | sounds like you're on ceres? | 01:38 |
Voidling | oh, not at all | 01:38 |
gnarface | or is this a chimaera system with a bunch of hand installs? | 01:38 |
Voidling | sorry i didn't mention that i'm on a different distro | 01:38 |
* gnarface facepalm | 01:38 | |
gnarface | i would fucking buzzer you into the dunk tank right now | 01:39 |
buZz | WHAT | 01:39 |
buZz | 'btw running windows 7 here' | 01:39 |
buZz | :D | 01:39 |
Voidling | well i used devuan before, remembered there are knowledgeable people here so thought to ask.. as this seems as more of a general/all distros kind of a problem | 01:40 |
Voidling | anyway, the launch options i use "WINE_FULLSCREEN_FSR=1 mangohud %command%" | 01:40 |
onefang | This is the Devuan support channel though. | 01:41 |
golinux | Voidling: That would belong in #devuan-offtopic | 01:41 |
golinux | Please take it there | 01:41 |
gnarface | Voidling: well protondb suggests also something like -useallavailablecores and -high but it sounds like that would just make your specific problem worse. and yea, take it to #devuan-offtopic since this isn't a devuan support issue, and a proton support issue was already stretching it | 01:41 |
Voidling | but system logs are the same on every distro.. | 01:41 |
golinux | This is a Devuan support channel | 01:42 |
gnarface | Voidling: yea, but my only recourse is deductive version testing at this point, having to assume you actually did check your fans, and if your distro is a big mix of unknown versions it will be like chasing gremlins | 01:42 |
gnarface | Voidling: first thing i would suggest: 1) recreate the problem on a clean devuan chimaera install | 01:43 |
gnarface | Voidling: second thing i would suggest 2) recreate the problem with some other games (native ones, preferrably) | 01:43 |
onefang | Voidling: You don't want to annoy Goddess golinux. B-) | 01:43 |
Voidling | Am I annoying anyone? | 01:44 |
gnarface | not yet but we do try to keep the airwaves clear for serious support issues here | 01:44 |
golinux | Yes. All of us. | 01:44 |
gnarface | well maybe golinux. | 01:44 |
golinux | gnarface: Why do we have to waste bits logging this? | 01:45 |
gnarface | Voidling: the point is, don't push it. you're preceded by hordes of trolls and the tolerance is low | 01:45 |
onefang | "<gnarface> i would fucking buzzer you into the dunk tank right now" Seemed pretty annoyed to me. lol | 01:45 |
Voidling | Ok. well then fuck you golinux. have your shitty channel to yourself | 01:45 |
buZz | ? | 01:45 |
buZz | gee | 01:45 |
buZz | how do ppl run linux without patience | 01:46 |
golinux | buZz: I had you on speed dial | 01:46 |
gnarface | onefang: fair point but i was just trying to practice diplomacy after that | 01:46 |
golinux | He was on windows | 01:46 |
golinux | onefang didn't help. In fact, he created the situation . . . | 01:47 |
buZz | golinux: <3 | 01:47 |
onefang | Actually Voidling was on Linux, just not Devuan. Kernel 5.15 and Mesa 21.3.3. | 01:47 |
buZz | i was already looking though ;) | 01:48 |
buZz | they didnt seem -that- bad , imho | 01:48 |
buZz | was gonna suggest them #steamlug or #vronlinux or something | 01:48 |
golinux | Just not devuan support | 01:48 |
onefang | I wonder if "buzzing" tagged buZz? | 01:48 |
buZz | it did ;) | 01:48 |
buZz | > MangoHud is a Vulkan/OpenGL overlay for monitoring FPS, temperatures, CPU/GPU load and more. | 01:48 |
buZz | buzzing doesnt, buzzer does | 01:48 |
gnarface | i would have helped him with another linux distro from -offtopic but not with Windows | 01:48 |
buZz | onefang: full line is here ; 01:48:55 3 (?<!\.)buzz(?!feed|word|ing|kill|zzz|saw) -regexp | 01:49 |
buZz | :P | 01:49 |
onefang | Crisis averted. Back to Devuan support. Who has a Devuan support issue? | 01:49 |
buZz | nah it just works | 01:49 |
onefang | Josh_2: Sorted out your dolphin-emu issue? | 01:50 |
gnarface | i see dolphin-emu the repos... | 01:50 |
golinux | Can we please just stop this justification replay. | 01:51 |
gnarface | oh, dolphin-emu is missing from just chimaera though | 01:51 |
golinux | Mayve take it to offtopic. | 01:51 |
Josh_2 | onefang: nope all the versions are so old that I cannot play with my frens :( | 01:52 |
golinux | It wastes bits here. Let it fade into oblivion on offtopic. | 01:52 |
golinux | Please everyone . . . just stop,m | 01:52 |
onefang | Josh_2's issue IS a Devuan issue. | 01:53 |
brocashelm | i only see dolphin-emu in ascii, beowulf, and ceres | 01:55 |
brocashelm | no success installing from one of those repos? | 01:55 |
gnarface | basically the same versions in beowulf and ceres, i'd bet one of them would work | 01:55 |
brocashelm | yeah, they have the same dependencies | 01:55 |
Josh_2 | They work but they are old | 02:25 |
brocashelm | that was my issue with pcsx2; i just enabled the daily builds ppa and moved on | 02:39 |
brocashelm | i use ceres, just to be specific | 02:39 |
* systemdlete cannot contain himself. LOL. Hilarious. | 03:29 | |
systemdlete | I just don't understand it. Windows 3.1 always used to work... | 03:29 |
systemdlete | (I'm dying) | 03:30 |
systemdlete | (from laughter) | 03:30 |
systemdlete | Oh, well you won't help me with fixing my '57 Chevy so just f- you and I'll go somewhere else for advice | 03:30 |
systemdlete | too funny | 03:31 |
* systemdlete wanders off to offtopic for more fun and games | 03:31 | |
pingpongball2 | if i up some service, and `sudo vsv` shows the service still down , how can i know what is error form? | 07:32 |
syco | pingpongball2, launch the servce manually and see what happens | 07:35 |
syco | try --verbose if the option is available | 07:36 |
syco | or worst case, strace it | 07:36 |
pingpongball2 | i've used `emacs --daemon` but it tells emacs daemon is already there | 07:37 |
pingpongball2 | but i've already disabled that daemon | 07:37 |
pingpongball2 | and when using vsv i cant see emacs | 07:37 |
E3D3 | Installing Devuan from a snapshot didn't install grub correct, so now I can't boot, and use a live distro. How can I correct the grub menu ? | 10:34 |
Hurgotron | Doesn't it find grub, or doesn't grub find the kernel? | 10:40 |
E3D3 | I don't know. The boot ends with a grub prompt | 10:42 |
E3D3 | there is a populated boot folder on the disk | 10:42 |
Hurgotron | grub prompt means the bootblock is there, but maybe it doesn't find the grub directory. | 10:44 |
Hurgotron | try grub-install <bootdisk-device>, probably from chroot to the installed distro | 10:45 |
E3D3 | it seems so. I just tried: os-prober; grub2-install and get error: grub2-install: error: failed to get canonical path of ‘none’. | 10:45 |
Hurgotron | if it doesn't find the kernel, it's update-grub | 10:45 |
E3D3 | same error with chroot & grub-install | 10:46 |
Hurgotron | did you give the boot device as a parameter to grub-install? | 10:46 |
E3D3 | and same error with update-grub !?!? | 10:46 |
Hurgotron | ie. grub-install /dev/sda | 10:46 |
E3D3 | yes, I did: grub-install /dev/sda (and also tried /dev/sda2) | 10:47 |
Hurgotron | hmm, interesting | 10:49 |
Hurgotron | Did you try googling for the error? It gets me https://askubuntu.com/questions/775103/grub2-update-grub-failed-to-get-canonical-path-of-none | 10:49 |
gnarface | lots of things could cause this in theory... someone just had the same error yesterday and it turned out that they'd installed grub to /dev/sda1 instead of /dev/sda. it might be relevant that they were trying to dual-boot with the Windows bootloader loading before grub | 10:50 |
E3D3 | yes, I did, but because I hate reading/learning again about grub/grub2/uefi its hard to concentrate. I use it once in 4 years, and always forget what I just learned. | 10:51 |
E3D3 | I used the default for install grub from the snapshot, but I wouldn't be surprised if I also used /dev/sda2 (sda1 = my swap) | 10:52 |
E3D3 | I'm thinking about installing another os on the other free partition, and hope it add Devuan to its bootmenu. Or I install a fresh Devuan. Just to avoid waisting reading about grub again. | 10:54 |
fsmithred | is this legacy bios or uefi? And did you try running 'update-grub' while in chroot? | 10:55 |
Hurgotron | btw, mounting /proc inside chroot might help, too | 10:56 |
Hurgotron | and check if there's an old /boot/grub/device.map maybe | 10:56 |
E3D3 | fsmithred bios, and yes I tried update-grub in chroot too | 10:56 |
fsmithred | other way is to run 'dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc' in chroot | 10:57 |
E3D3 | Hurgotron I have no idea about /proc, and forgot most of what I've read about grub to dive into grub-files. | 10:57 |
gnarface | E3D3: for the chroot thing to work, you have to bind mount some directories; one or more of /proc, /dev, /sys, and /dev/pts | 10:58 |
fsmithred | get a netinstall iso and boot to rescue mode and reinstall bootloader might be easiest fix | 10:58 |
syco | -o bind | 10:58 |
E3D3 | fsmithred I'll try that. Is the following correct: mount /dev/sda2 /mnt; chroot /dev/sda2; dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc | 10:59 |
Hurgotron | chroot /mnt - dunno if the device works | 10:59 |
fsmithred | yes, if you do it manually from a live-iso and you also do the bind-mounts | 11:00 |
gnarface | E3D3: is it also dual-booting with Windows? i don't know for sure that when you accepted the default it wouldn't have been trying to dodge the Windows bootloader | 11:00 |
fsmithred | if you use rescue mode of netinstall, it'll do all that for you | 11:00 |
E3D3 | gnarface no I don't use Window$ | 11:00 |
E3D3 | fsmithred then I download a netinstall. Thanks. | 11:01 |
gnarface | alright, do you have multiple harddrives? another issue could be due to boot-order hysteresis | 11:01 |
fsmithred | a completely different approach would be to boot manually from grub command-line. That's a way to figure out what's going on. | 11:01 |
gnarface | yea, the missing menu prompt can basically just be typed in by hand | 11:02 |
E3D3 | gnarface I have 1 harddrive, and an external DVD-player with the live distro (PClinuxOS) in it. | 11:02 |
gnarface | fsmithred: (i'm assuming that's what he was specifically trying to avoid doing though) | 11:02 |
fsmithred | lol, yeah | 11:02 |
gnarface | E3D3: well the dvd drive shouldn't be /dev/sda but you know, double-check | 11:03 |
gnarface | E3D3: some USB flash key would be a more likely culprit for a /dev/sda imposter | 11:03 |
E3D3 | fsmithred so bad I developed an alergy for grub, and that my chaotic grup-notes are on the disk that I just replaced because it was to old/crashes. | 11:04 |
gnarface | but i've seen in some cases SATA drives switching order | 11:04 |
gnarface | during reboots | 11:04 |
fsmithred | external DVD is usb? | 11:04 |
E3D3 | yes, usb | 11:05 |
fsmithred | it might switch the order. I have at least one computer that does it with live-usb | 11:05 |
E3D3 | my internal DVD-drive is wasted (don't know the good word), just like my previous harddisk, that's why I use this. | 11:06 |
E3D3 | what is the netinstaller called; I see installer-iso and minimal-live, but no netinstall | 11:12 |
fsmithred | inside installer-iso directory | 11:13 |
E3D3 | thanks | 11:13 |
fsmithred | when you boot, choose Advanced options, Rescue, and then it'll go through language and keyboard setup, and they it'll give you some options. I think one of those options is 'install bootloader' | 11:14 |
fsmithred | another will probably be 'open a shell in /dev/sda2' | 11:15 |
E3D3 | I hope for the 'install bootloader' because if I use a netinstall I absolutely don't want a shell to manually configure grub | 11:17 |
E3D3 | thanks all for helping. Hope I can rapport soon from Devuan again. | 11:22 |
solirs | Hello ? | 17:39 |
Hurgotron | Hello. | 17:40 |
UsL | it's okay to say hello. Any friendly greeting will do | 17:41 |
solirs | Im thinking about getting into devuan later | 17:42 |
onefang | G'day. Saluton mondon. "Hello world." | 17:42 |
solirs | Hey | 17:42 |
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