| beco | Have a great day y'all, Devuan heroes. | 02:12 |
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| leah | good morning | 08:23 |
| qwestion | leah: of libreboot? Is this your dd? | 08:37 |
| leah | qwestion: i'm libreboot leah yes | 08:58 |
| leah | what do you mean "is this your dd?"? | 08:58 |
| qwestion | Daily driver (distro). ..ddd i guess | 08:59 |
| onefang | Daily driver distro Devuan. B-) | 09:05 |
| onefang | Later to be daily driver distro Devuan Daedalus. | 09:07 |
| qwestion | leah: | 09:08 |
| qwestion | Im on xmpp, which is why i cant easily see ur full info without a whois sorry for the avoidable question | 09:11 |
| leah | my daily driver is debian | 09:19 |
| leah | but i plan to switch to devuan | 09:19 |
| leah | that's why i'm lurking here | 09:19 |
| leah | and i also studied devuan's source distribution, because i want to sell it installed on computers | 09:20 |
| leah | some people here advised me: get src using apt-get source | 09:20 |
| leah | onefang: that's four d's btw | 09:20 |
| leah | daily driver distro devuan | 09:21 |
| leah | dddd | 09:21 |
| leah | qwestion: i also use debian on my servers. but i'm planning to switch those to openbsd | 09:21 |
| leah | openbsd on server. devuan on workstation | 09:21 |
| qwestion | 5 Ddddd ;) | 09:22 |
| onefang | Am awesome at alliteration. | 09:23 |
| leah | devuan will dd your systemd | 09:23 |
| leah | with zeroes | 09:23 |
| onefang | https://sledjhamr.org/poetry-by/Dave/ARTICLE_A.html | 09:23 |
| onefang | But enough of my off topicness. | 09:24 |
| qwestion | leah: what % of clients choose nonsysd distros if youre ok with revealing this? Or the ratio between debian and devuan clients especially | 09:35 |
| leah | no idea | 09:40 |
| leah | i assume lots of them reinstall whatever they want | 09:40 |
| leah | oh, yeah sorry i thought this was the offtopic channel | 09:41 |
| qwestion | Thanks nonetheless | 10:10 |
| jason1234 | this method works: qemu-system-i386 -machine type=pc -m 512 -curses -nographic -cdrom debian-live-11.2.0-i386-standard+nonfree.iso -hda vdisk.qcow2 -kernel /media/cdrom/live/vmlinuz-5.10.0-10-686 -initrd /media/cdrom/live/initrd.img-5.10.0-10-686 -append 'boot=live ro root=filesystem.squashfs console=ttyS0' -device virtio-net-pci,mac=50:54:00:00:00:42 | 11:56 |
| jason1234 | is there a devuan alike this image i386 nonfree with sysVinit ??? debian-live-11.2.0-i386-standard+nonfree.iso | 11:56 |
| gnarface | not sure but i think the devuan live images are all non-free by default | 11:59 |
| gnarface | and for whatever it's worth the netinstall isos have the non-free wifi firmware | 12:00 |
| gnarface | if i'm wrong about the live image you could always make your own with refracta | 12:08 |
| fsmithred | yeah, the live-isos have non-free firmware installed. jason1234 you want the minimal-live. | 12:36 |
| libh | Adjusting to sysvinit was a bit tricky, especially since any linux book post 2010 talks more about systemd than sysv, but I think I got the hang of things so far. Thanks for the awesome distro. | 14:30 |
| libh | Devuan isn't that far off from how slackware administrates. | 14:31 |
| fsmithred | https://refracta.org/docs/debian-handbook-wheezy.pdf | 14:31 |
| libh | Oh thanks, this will be a big help. | 14:31 |
| fsmithred | ^^^ administrators guide for last debian that used sysvinit as default | 14:31 |
| fsmithred | libh, are you coming from debian? | 14:32 |
| libh | Yes, I was going to install OpenRC, but it said in the installer it's still experimental. I was going to use debian, but I worry debian will cave and enforce snaps. So here I am. | 14:33 |
| fsmithred | openrc works, but it uses sysvinit scripts | 14:34 |
| fsmithred | runit works and uses sysvinit scripts, but I do know of some efforts to make runit scripts | 14:34 |
| fsmithred | also be aware of the package called orphan-sysvinit-scripts | 14:35 |
| fsmithred | that's where the sysv scripts go when debian maintainers drop them from packages. | 14:35 |
| libh | I will. Thank you. | 14:36 |
| sedrosken | I get why you'd want to use the sysv scripts to maintain compatibility, but long-term I'd probably want to get some OpenRC-specific stuff for the OpenRC side -- unless the sysv scripts are just so compatible that it works as-is, supervision, crash handling, parallel start and all? | 15:08 |
| sedrosken | granted IIRC the version of OpenRC Devuan uses doesn't do parallel start anyway -- for that matter, it still relies on regular init rather than openrc-init | 15:09 |
| syco | why care about // start unless you reboot your server 100 times a day ? | 15:17 |
| Voyeur | I need help to install the nvidia drivers please | 15:39 |
| gnarface | you have to add non-free to your sources.list | 15:40 |
| Voyeur | How do I do that? I'm new | 15:41 |
| gnarface | open the /etc/apt/sources.list file in a text editor | 15:43 |
| gnarface | as root | 15:43 |
| gnarface | you installed chimaera, right? | 15:43 |
| Voyeur | 3.0 | 15:46 |
| Voyeur | bewoulf | 15:46 |
| Voyeur | deb [arch=amd64] <http://deb.devuan.org/devuan/> <beowulf> main non-free deb [arch=amd64] http://deb.devuan.org/devuan/ beowulf main contrib non-free | 15:47 |
| gnarface | change it to this: https://paste.debian.net/1229312/ | 15:47 |
| Voyeur | Ready and now what do I do? | 15:49 |
| gnarface | run this: apt-get update && apt-get --no-install-recommends install nvidia-driver nvidia-settings libgl1-nvidia-glx | 15:50 |
| gnarface | you might need some other packages too, but it's hard to say. the nvidia driver is scattered across dozens of packages | 15:51 |
| Voyeur | reboot now brb back | 15:52 |
| Voyeur | error NO_PUBKEY F60F4B3D7FA2AF80 | 15:55 |
| gnarface | you need the devuan-keyring and devuan-archive-keyring packages | 15:56 |
| gnarface | have you not ever updated this yet? if you haven't updated it yet you should do a regular full system update like this first: apt-get update && apt-get --no-install-recommends upgrade | 15:57 |
| gnarface | but you need the keyring packages | 15:57 |
| Voyeur | ok thanks | 15:58 |
| Voyeur | how do i install keyring? | 15:59 |
| gnarface | depends on how paranoid you want to be | 16:00 |
| gnarface | ot | 16:00 |
| gnarface | it's probably ok to just install it but you can get the key from public keyservers too | 16:01 |
| gnarface | here, read this: https://www.devuan.org/os/keyring | 16:01 |
| gnarface | make sure your system clock time is correct too or it still won't work | 16:02 |
| raph_ael | hi, I'm trying devuan testing with runit, it seems there are not much init scripts or is there a way to use sysv init scripts ? thanks | 18:13 |
| fsmithred | raph_ael, runit will use the sysvinit scripts unless you replace them. Only the gettys and ssh have runscripts. | 18:16 |
| raph_ael | fsmithred: thanks, I'm used to /etc/sv with void, is there some doc on how to use runit on devuan ? | 18:17 |
| fsmithred | this discussion might help: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3716 | 18:17 |
| raph_ael | thanks again | 18:17 |
| fsmithred | and you can try my live-iso that has some run scripts implemented. | 18:17 |
| raph_ael | great | 18:18 |
| fsmithred | oops. No, I don't have one for daedalus/testing yet | 18:18 |
| fsmithred | but here's the fun stuff: https://get.refracta.org/files/experimental/ | 18:18 |
| raph_ael | thanks :) | 18:20 |
| fsmithred | upgrading that runit iso to daedalus works pretty easily. I've done it in a VM. | 18:21 |
| fsmithred | oh, and I think I forgot to mention in the notes that any sysvinit scripts that have been replaced with runit scripts are non-executable. I did that so it would be easy to see which ones I had done. | 18:22 |
| fsmithred | by looking in /etc/init.d/ | 18:22 |
| fsmithred | green vs. white | 18:23 |
| raph_ael | cool | 18:23 |
| raph_ael | I'll try it | 18:23 |
| Vall | fsmithred: nice to hear Daedalus is already useable -- looks like Devuan is pretty much in sync with Debian now. Congrats to you and the team! | 18:24 |
| raph_ael | indeed | 18:24 |
| fsmithred | yes, we are pretty much caught up. | 18:24 |
| * Vall waves at golinux | 18:25 | |
| Bobemoe | How come we've lost `uswsusp` in Chimaera? | 20:39 |
| Bobemoe | Most of my machines I use `pm-utils` to do suspend/hibernate. But on this one machine it did not work (think it went through the actions but instantly woke back up) and in my investigations I found `uswsusp` which worked perfectly, in fact I preferred it as it showed some on screein info, progress etc. But now I've upgraded the package is missing :( | 20:48 |
| Akuli | Bobemoe: uswsusp appears to still be in /usr/lib/pm-utils/module.d/uswsusp but just not on PATH by default | 20:59 |
| fsmithred | The uswsusp package needs a maintainer: https://packages.qa.debian.org/u/uswsusp.html | 21:00 |
| Bobemoe | Akuli, it doesn't seem happy: /usr/lib/pm-utils/module.d/uswsusp: 67: command_exists: not found | 21:02 |
| Bobemoe | fsmithred, I see that explains it | 21:02 |
| fsmithred | that uswsusp module mentions HAL. If that's the hal I'm thinking of, that was back around lenny. | 21:03 |
| Akuli | maybe try this: make a copy of /usr/lib/pm-utils/module.d/uswsusp, and add "source /usr/lib/pm-utils/functions" to the beginning of the file (it's a shell script) | 21:04 |
| Bobemoe | ./uswsusp: 3: source: not found | 21:05 |
| Akuli | ah, try "." instead of "source" | 21:06 |
| Akuli | forgot that "source" is bash syntax and "." is the posix-compatible way | 21:06 |
| Bobemoe | ok, so it now runs, outputs nothing, returns 0, nothing happens | 21:07 |
| fsmithred | I just installed the beowulf .deb in chimaera | 21:07 |
| fsmithred | no errors, didn't need to install any deps | 21:07 |
| fsmithred | how do I test it? | 21:07 |
| fsmithred | s2ram as root? | 21:07 |
| Bobemoe | yeah s2ram or s2disk | 21:08 |
| fsmithred | looks like it works | 21:08 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I can't ssh in | 21:08 |
| fsmithred | it's asleep for real | 21:08 |
| fsmithred | and it comes back when I raise the lid | 21:09 |
| Bobemoe | that sounds promising | 21:09 |
| fsmithred | the main complaint I saw on that page is that the package conformed to old standards | 21:09 |
| Bobemoe | got link for the .deb? | 21:09 |
| fsmithred | no, I'm in beowulf right now so I just apt downloaded it | 21:10 |
| fsmithred | packages.debian.org | 21:10 |
| fsmithred | will have it | 21:10 |
| Bobemoe | after the upgrade the package was left installed, but was not working, i uninstalled it to reinstall but then found it wasn't in repos | 21:10 |
| fsmithred | https://packages.debian.org/stretch/uswsusp | 21:10 |
| fsmithred | it was already on search page. Change stretch to buster | 21:11 |
| fsmithred | maybe you lost a dep along the way. If 'dpkg -i usw*' gives errors about missing packages, run 'apt -f install' with no package names. | 21:12 |
| Bobemoe | hmm, maybe. | 21:12 |
| Bobemoe | installing now... | 21:12 |
| Bobemoe | ok, testing... | 21:13 |
| Bobemoe | nope :/ | 21:18 |
| Bobemoe | screen goes black, shows progress indicator, screen powers off, machine stays on, unresponsive, had to kill power | 21:19 |
| Bobemoe | that was s2both | 21:19 |
| Bobemoe | same as pm-utils does, never quite powers off | 21:23 |
| Bobemoe | wonder if I should be debugging that instead | 21:23 |
| fsmithred | you tried pm-suspend-hybrid? | 21:27 |
| fsmithred | I can't test those. Small swap here. | 21:27 |
| Bobemoe | yeah, before install uspsusp though | 21:32 |
| Bobemoe | might go back to Beowulf and pay more attention to what works and what doesnt | 21:33 |
| Bobemoe | no way to apt dist-downgrade is there? its reinstall time? | 21:33 |
| fsmithred | ouch. Not easily. | 21:36 |
| Bobemoe | yeah, tried and failed that before ;) | 21:37 |
| fsmithred | did you lose any acpi packages in the upgrade? | 21:38 |
| * Bobemoe shrugs | 21:39 | |
| fsmithred | I have acpi-fakekey acpi-support-base and acpid. Don't know which or if any of those are needed. | 21:39 |
| Bobemoe | didnt *fully* read the list, not logged is it? | 21:39 |
| fsmithred | in /var/log/apt/history.log | 21:40 |
| Bobemoe | no mentions of those in that log, apart from me just installing them, none were installed | 21:41 |
| Bobemoe | guess i could try suspend again | 21:43 |
| fsmithred | did plain suspend work before? | 21:44 |
| Bobemoe | na, same | 21:48 |
| Bobemoe | gunna have to give up for today, probably downgrade tomorrow for working system and play with live or dual boot to debug | 21:49 |
| Bobemoe | i dont think pm-suspend worked on beowulf either but not 100% sure | 21:51 |
| Bobemoe | i'll find out tomorrow ;) | 21:52 |
| Bobemoe | thanks for the help | 21:52 |
| fsmithred | yw | 21:55 |
| * rrq used pm-suspend on beowulf .. and now on chimaera .. works perfectly well | 22:29 | |
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