| libh | Good, because having to manually resign every single package myself if I was to make a derivative distro would be too much of a PITA. | 00:00 |
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| Guest59 | sounds like the torrent links need updating, someone that is associated with the project should make a ticket | 00:01 |
| bb|hcb | Yep, I have already sent a note | 00:01 |
| Guest59 | nice :( | 00:02 |
| Guest59 | oops | 00:02 |
| Guest59 | nice :) | 00:02 |
| bb|hcb | libh: The bigger problem is that the modified packages need to be mirrored/distributed/etc. A full Debian mirror is little less than 2TB | 00:03 |
| bb|hcb | Devuan makes it easy and welcomes derivatives :) | 00:04 |
| onefang | I just woke up. The apt-panopticons are not currently reporting any issues with mirror.vpgrp.io. It's entirely possible you hit that file while it was being updated. Or the Debian mirror you where being redirected to has a bad file. Also possible mirror.vpgrp.io redirects to itself for Debian packages. Ah yes, mirror.vpgrp.io does serve Debian packages directly. | 00:28 |
| onefang | apt-panopticon doesn't test every package, that would be silly. | 00:28 |
| onefang | The redirects to Debian mirrors are usually HTTP 302 redirects to a Debian address. | 00:30 |
| bb|hcb | There is no redirect, just 404; that is why I conclude it is misconfigured | 00:32 |
| onefang | rwp: Note the "Last modification reported: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 09:15:38 +0000" part in your report. If that's very close to the time you tired it, try again later. mirror.vpgrp.io seems to update itself every two hours. You might have just caught it during an update. It can update the metadata that includes the hashes, then later update the file. Can't update everything at once. | 00:32 |
| onefang | 404 might also be "hasn't finished updating yet, wait a bit". | 00:33 |
| onefang | Could you check it again please? I'm supposed to be spending this weekend recovering from surgery. lol | 00:34 |
| bb|hcb | It is broken | 00:35 |
| bb|hcb | Maybe it is broken only for security, I did not check everything, but the above url is broken | 00:36 |
| rrq | that url is for a specific package version. has the package got updated (for beowulf/buster)? | 00:42 |
| rrq | if there is an update, amprolla should pick it up on its 6-hourly I think | 00:42 |
| bb|hcb | https://paste.debian.net/1232363/ - this is how I do check it | 00:43 |
| onefang | That package is on my should be updated list. So I'll try an update now, but I don't use that mirror. | 00:44 |
| onefang | Updated fine using my own mirror, which does do the "redirect to Debian and let them sort it out" thing. | 00:45 |
| rrq | looks like some of those libsasl2-2_2.1.27+... packages got updated at the source end two days ago | 00:50 |
| rrq | afactI don;t think | 00:57 |
| rrq | sounds right :) | 00:57 |
| rrq | afaict amprolla doesn't merge buster-security | 00:58 |
| onefang | Oh wait, that's a i386 file, so my test on an amd64 system would not have hit it. | 01:00 |
| onefang | Can someone check other i386 DEBIAN-SECURITY packages on that mirror for me please? Too much pain, and in the middle of a storm that has lasted for days and now includes thunder and lightning. Hopefully the storm goes away tomorrow as forecast, and my pain meds kick in soon. | 01:05 |
| onefang | And hopefully the storm doesn't kill my Internet, or power. | 01:06 |
| rwp | onefang, I think you should consider simply resting. Get well soon! | 01:06 |
| rwp | I love thunder though. Wrong season here for it. But it's always so pleasant to see and watch the storms roll by. | 01:06 |
| rwp | onefang, I have a dozen systems behind a shared apt-cacher-ng proxy and the proxy probably accounted from some of the "locked on" effect of the problem. | 01:06 |
| rwp | And have now updated them all so have lost the test case of that file being the wrong hash mismatch. Sorry. It did not seem important enough to preserve. | 01:07 |
| data68 | meta2-24~ /bar scroll nicklist * +100% | 01:16 |
| global_elites | does Devuan pull most of it's packages from the Debian repos? | 09:27 |
| brocashelm | global_elites: devuan forks 150-200 packages (you'll know this if the version ends in "devuan") and merges debian's repository with theirs using amprolla every 6-12 hours (depends) | 09:29 |
| global_elites | ah thanks thought so | 09:30 |
| brocashelm | anything that is systemd or directly related to it is blacklisted and packages like network-manager are among the forked to fix init scripts so they'll work on non-systemd machines | 09:30 |
| u-amarsh04 | reported a bug to Debian regarding upgrading plasma-desktop / plasma-workspace 4:5.24.2-1 over 4:5.23.5-1 | 10:04 |
| u-amarsh04 | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1006538 | 10:36 |
| dokma | Did Chimaera drop PHP5 ? | 12:53 |
| rrq | php5 was last seen in "jessie" | 12:59 |
| dokma | rrq: I had php5 in Beowulf | 13:13 |
| dokma | so it is dropped in Chimaera? | 13:13 |
| gnarface | dokma: maybe merely deprecated in chimaera https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=%5Ephp%5B0-9%5D%28%5C.%5B0-9%5D%29%3F%24&x=submit | 15:00 |
| gnarface | dokma: if you upgrade an existing install, it won't uninstall stuff from the previous release until there's a hard dependency conflict | 15:00 |
| gnarface | basically though, it's php5 in jessie, php7 in ascii, php7.3 in beowulf, 7.4 in chimaera, and 8.1 in ceres and daedalus | 15:02 |
| e3d3 | In Beowulf my printer worked immediately but not in Chimaera. What do I need to do to make it work ? cups-client & cups-common are default installed and a print queue applet is set in autostart. | 15:43 |
| gnarface | i gotta assume you just forgot setting it up in beowulf | 15:44 |
| gnarface | connect to http://localhost:631/ then log in as root | 15:44 |
| gnarface | the interface is meant to be self documenting | 15:44 |
| e3d3 | gnarface: I don't think so, according to my notes, but it could be. | 15:45 |
| gnarface | well do you only have cups-client and cups-common? because you'd also need several other packages not the least of which the one actually named cups | 15:45 |
| gnarface | and cupsd would have to be running | 15:46 |
| gnarface | though it might be possible to still print directly with lp with some hardware | 15:46 |
| e3d3 | okay. I've found only some help on Artix forum, that confused me more & talked about cups-openrc, services etc | 15:46 |
| e3d3 | I try the localhost thing | 15:47 |
| e3d3 | Firefox can’t establish a connection to the server at localhost:631. | 15:47 |
| gnarface | well if you can't connect to that then neither can print jobs | 15:47 |
| e3d3 | Is installing cups enough | 15:48 |
| gnarface | it should be, do you actually have it all though? like i said there should be a lot more than 2 packages. try running: dpkg -l |grep cups | 15:48 |
| e3d3 | and it many dependencies | 15:48 |
| e3d3 | Most of the time I install with synaptic packagemanager | 15:49 |
| gnarface | dpkg should still work, the installed package list is shared amongst the tools | 15:49 |
| gnarface | this should also show something if cups is actually running: dpkg -l |grep cups | 15:50 |
| gnarface | if cups isn't running you gotta figure out why first | 15:50 |
| e3d3 | Does dpkg -l not only list package, or; where does it tell that something is running | 15:52 |
| e3d3 | a search in htop/top doesn't show cups | 15:52 |
| gnarface | oh sorry i miss-typed the first one | 15:52 |
| gnarface | the first one was supposed to be ps aux not dpkg -l | 15:53 |
| gnarface | just tired | 15:53 |
| gnarface | ps aux |grep cups | 15:53 |
| e3d3 | okay, np, I try ps aux | 15:53 |
| gnarface | if you are using openrc maybe it just didn't starrt | 15:53 |
| e3d3 | not found | 15:53 |
| gnarface | you might have to do something to openrc to make sure it's starting cups | 15:54 |
| gnarface | wait, when you say "not found" you mean that "ps aux |grep cups" didn't return any results, or you mean it told you that the command "ps" was not found? | 15:55 |
| e3d3 | I a little ashamed to confess that I don't know which init system I have. The default in Chimarea DVD install. Most important is that it is not systemd or other dictator | 15:55 |
| gnarface | the default should be sysvinit, that definitely should have included cups startup scripts | 15:55 |
| gnarface | ls -l /etc/init.d/cups | 15:55 |
| gnarface | does this return a result? ^^^^ | 15:55 |
| e3d3 | I tried ps aux in a terminal in Emacs, where it didn't find 'ps'. I another/normal terminal it only found the grep command | 15:56 |
| e3d3 | ls: cannot access '/etc/init.d/cups': No such file or directory | 15:57 |
| gnarface | ps is in the procps package, that cups startup script is in the cups-daemon package | 15:57 |
| gnarface | i can't fathom how you managed to get to where you're at now without either of those | 15:57 |
| e3d3 | I don't think I did | 15:57 |
| gnarface | well install them both now and everything will be fine | 15:58 |
| gnarface | a reboot will not be required | 15:58 |
| e3d3 | I have a happy note that in Beowulf my printer worked without that I had to do anything | 15:58 |
| gnarface | yea you mentioned that but that's just another mystery | 15:59 |
| e3d3 | why do I need the ps command for a printer | 15:59 |
| gnarface | you don't need it for the printer, you need it to make sure cups is running | 15:59 |
| gnarface | you generally need it for basic system usage | 15:59 |
| gnarface | top doesn't show everything | 15:59 |
| e3d3 | I never use it. I use htop for visual scanning, or saved shell snippets for more complex work | 16:00 |
| e3d3 | I have a nice command line kind of cheat sheet script so I don't have to remember rarely used commands. | 16:01 |
| e3d3 | I see that cups-daemon doesn't install cups as dependency. Does that mean that I don't need to install the cups package ? | 16:03 |
| gnarface | i don't know for sure but i suspect that it actually means it's just stupid and you do still need to install the cups package as well as probably cups-core-drivers cups-filters cups-filters-core-drivers cups-ipp-utils cups-server-common at least | 16:06 |
| gnarface | maybe a few others | 16:06 |
| gnarface | for me, just "apt-get install cups" pulled in all necessary server and client dependencies | 16:06 |
| e3d3 | I'll do it with synaptic, that shows many many depencies. I prefer synaptic because I can easily see the history, and undo easily, without using cheat sheet programs, --help etc. | 16:08 |
| gnarface | just make sure it gets them all this time. you should see cups running and be able to connect to localhost:631 | 16:09 |
| gnarface | from there the interface is pretty self-explanatory | 16:09 |
| gnarface | just note that "detected printers" is not the same thing as printers you can use at the moment - you have to actually add a printer | 16:10 |
| gnarface | i wonder if you somehow printed without cups before | 16:11 |
| gnarface | ? | 16:11 |
| gnarface | or maybe do you think it is possible the beowulf installer set up the printer for you because it was connected? | 16:12 |
| e3d3 | okay, I remember doing this with a webbrowser (what I DON'T LIKE because I have zero trust in webbrowsers) | 16:12 |
| gnarface | i don't know really | 16:12 |
| gnarface | i don't blame you for not liking the cups admin interface but i'm sure there were economic incentives to do it this way | 16:12 |
| gnarface | the connection is completely local so it shouldn't pose a security risk by default | 16:12 |
| e3d3 | Could be that the Beowulf installer had setup the printer, if it was a default setting. My notes don't say that I activated it. | 16:13 |
| gnarface | i do think you can open it up to the network from within there so do pay attention | 16:13 |
| e3d3 | I just don't trust a single bit of any webbrowser in particular. | 16:13 |
| gnarface | cups may have been bundled with the desktop suite you chose when you installed beowulf, that also might be part of the mystery | 16:14 |
| gnarface | i don't think it's automatically bundled with all of them | 16:14 |
| gnarface | maybe just the bigger ones | 16:14 |
| gnarface | also if you chose "print server" i think that would have been a possibility too | 16:14 |
| e3d3 | I installed Beowulf from full iso on DVD on 20210106 | 16:15 |
| gtr | Hello friends, unfortunately the PGP key from fsmithred used to sign the release 4.0 ISO has expired. How am I supposed to verify that I have the right ISO image? | 16:15 |
| gnarface | gtr: yea that bugs me too but they like it that way for some reason. what you're supposed to do is literally visually compare the fingerprints. despite being expired you'll see it's still valid | 16:16 |
| gnarface | gtr: i think there might be a way you can just pass a flag to tell it not to check the date too | 16:16 |
| gtr | gnarface, "literally visually compare the fingerprints" <-- Ok thanks, could you elaborate on that? | 16:17 |
| gnarface | gpg --list-keys | 16:18 |
| gnarface | scroll down to fsmithered's | 16:18 |
| gtr | Ok I have two keys from fsmithred, one is C369694A33F351CB848D93E7D95DDF2BF71AAAEB (revoked) and one is 67F5013216271E85C251E480A73823D3094C5620 (not renewed) | 16:19 |
| gnarface | C369694A33F351CB848D93E7D95DDF2BF71AAAEB 67F5013216271E85C251E480A73823D3094C5620 | 16:21 |
| gnarface | these the same two as yours? | 16:22 |
| gnarface | looks like it at first glance to me | 16:22 |
| gnarface | first one revoked, second one expired | 16:22 |
| gnarface | the second one is marked expired on 2021-09-20 | 16:22 |
| gnarface | i think also if you do a test run of gpg, you'll see that an expired key that still is otherwise valid will throw a different error than one that is flat out not a match | 16:23 |
| gnarface | if this is a situation of serious importance, though the chances are fairly low of tampering of this conversation in realtime as of yet, i would strongly advise that you make sure you were connected here to IRC through the encrypted port | 16:24 |
| gnarface | i think the justification for leaving expired keys out there was just that "the new ones would just expire too" | 16:27 |
| gtr | Hehe ok. So what are the trust anchors of this project? Like maybe a repository or a server that only a core team of trusted people have write access to. | 16:28 |
| gnarface | this one from 2021 is already an update from the last time this came up though | 16:28 |
| gnarface | yes, the gitlab | 16:28 |
| gnarface | git.devuan.org is where the project's core is hosted | 16:28 |
| gnarface | note however that most of the packages are unaltered | 16:29 |
| gnarface | there's only a couple hundred forked packages, the rest are actually served direct from debian by http redirect | 16:29 |
| gtr | Hmm but git.devuan.org is Gitea not Gitlab | 16:30 |
| gnarface | oh my info is just out of date | 16:31 |
| gnarface | they got fed up with gitlab years ago probably | 16:31 |
| gnarface | i don't actually work here officially, fsmithered does | 16:31 |
| gnarface | here you go, the actual authority: https://www.devuan.org/os/team | 16:33 |
| e3d3 | gnarface: I installed cups & 17 dependencies, including cups-daemon, and opened /localhost:631/. The admin webpage asks my system password !!! I'm sure I NEVER have input my system password into Firefox, and I never will. Am I doing something wrong, or can I do it without Firefox involved ? | 16:38 |
| gnarface | e3d3: you could use a different browser | 16:38 |
| e3d3 | haha | 16:38 |
| e3d3 | IE | 16:38 |
| e3d3 | you joking, not ? | 16:38 |
| gnarface | there may be a lower level way to add printers to cups but i don't know of it | 16:39 |
| gnarface | i was not joking | 16:39 |
| gnarface | you really should not have firefox set to save passwords anyway, that's crazy insecure | 16:39 |
| e3d3 | unbelievable that the maybe most compromised software is required to use offline used hardware | 16:40 |
| gnarface | if you had done this last time from an X session that was started as root you probably wouldn't have had to type in the password. if you had done this on debian they probably removed password protection there too because they hate security now | 16:40 |
| gnarface | unless your network or dns configuration is really whack though, or you've actually got an actively hacked copy of firefox installed, that password should never leave the system | 16:41 |
| gnarface | a http connection to localhost:631 should not even touch network hardware | 16:41 |
| e3d3 | but it touches 'more than dubious software' | 16:42 |
| gnarface | has it yet? this is a fresh install, no? | 16:42 |
| e3d3 | yes, today I celebrate its 1 month birthday | 16:43 |
| gnarface | one thing you could do is just have a browser install you only use for cups | 16:43 |
| e3d3 | that is a possibility | 16:43 |
| gnarface | or you could try lynx but i'm not sure the cups interface is smart enough to work without javascript still | 16:43 |
| gnarface | you could do it all by hand with netcat if you're really good with http headers and rendering html forms in your head but it might be more trouble than its worth | 16:44 |
| gnarface | cups might have some way to add other users to an admin group or something but i'm not sure about that either | 16:45 |
| gnarface | i remember a while back there was a Linus rant about the day he had to get called to school to type in his child's root password so they could add the school printer to the laptop, flaming the entire SUSE distro for it iirc... | 16:45 |
| e3d3 | To be honest, I was never a fan of Debian because I keeps same bugs/problem decenia, and I hate it since it switched to systemd. This webbrowser involvement shocks me so much that I don't know if I want to continue with a Debian derivate. Before I used Arch & derivates, but I'll never use Artix or systemd. I need some time to overthink this | 16:47 |
| gnarface | truthfully you shouldn't be needing to mess with this a lot unless you relocate and use a lot of public printers - and to be honest that's such a fundamentally insecure usage pattern it wouldn't matter about the browser at that point. printers aren't that secure these days. | 16:47 |
| e3d3 | my printer doesn't have wifi or lan connection, and is rarely on | 16:48 |
| gnarface | also, you should know that this has been the official cups interface for decades. they even use it on Mac OSX until recently | 16:48 |
| e3d3 | logic that Mac or Microsoft use it | 16:48 |
| e3d3 | I have other interest than spying, sucking etc | 16:49 |
| gnarface | another thing you could do is just turn off all the creepy stuff in firefox and have a separate user just for printer admin | 16:49 |
| gnarface | that way the user profile you surf the web with isn't the one storing url history of your printer console | 16:50 |
| e3d3 | smart alternatives, but a little bit complicated, for a quick print. | 16:50 |
| gnarface | probably | 16:50 |
| gnarface | did lynx work? | 16:50 |
| gnarface | IE is actually an option if you install wine | 16:51 |
| gnarface | there's also two firefox versions in the repo for whatever that's worth; firefox and firefox-esr | 16:52 |
| gnarface | and there's chromium | 16:52 |
| e3d3 | This is a big disappointment for me. Beowulf had so less issues that I knew that I was once in a lifetime, but with this sudo thing and a more buggy XFCE I'm not in my comfortzone anymore. | 16:54 |
| e3d3 | I was once = it was once | 16:54 |
| sgage | Maybe I'm missing something here, but... | 16:54 |
| sgage | I have never used the browser interface - didn't even know it existed. | 16:55 |
| gnarface | what do you use to add printers then? | 16:55 |
| gnarface | is there a console tool for that now? | 16:55 |
| sgage | I run MATE, and in its control center is 'Printer Settings'. Works perfectly. | 16:55 |
| gnarface | oh, some WM specific frontend | 16:56 |
| sgage | I'm sure something like it is available for other DE's | 16:56 |
| e3d3 | I add my printer with via menu > printer settings, but it doesn't show up on the webpage | 16:56 |
| e3d3 | maybe a reboot is required | 16:56 |
| gnarface | hmmm | 16:56 |
| gnarface | no, it shouldn't be | 16:56 |
| sgage | I've used many other distros and DE's, and never had a problem finding a util | 16:56 |
| e3d3 | i'll try again | 16:56 |
| sgage | to do printer stuff.' | 16:56 |
| gnarface | XFCE might just be missing some printer menu package ? | 16:57 |
| gnarface | maybe it just didn't install automatically? | 16:57 |
| sgage | I'll bet XFCE has such a package. | 16:57 |
| gnarface | this has come up before with XFCE - optional packages people expect not to be optional | 16:57 |
| gnarface | though if it was something that relied on systemd it might have just been tossed overboard | 16:58 |
| e3d3 | the webpage doesn't show my Epson printer, but it is visible in 'manage printers'. I'll invest more. | 16:58 |
| gnarface | e3d3: i told you you gotta go to add printers first | 16:59 |
| sgage | A bit of poking around ought to dig something up - I use Synaptic to search/browse for packages. | 16:59 |
| gnarface | e3d3: you have to specifically register the ones you want to use, it won't just assume you want all the detected printers added automatically | 16:59 |
| sgage | It's probably xfce-printer-settings or some such. | 17:00 |
| gnarface | e3d3: OH! you know what though but if you had installed avahi-daemon before it might have..... | 17:00 |
| gnarface | e3d3: (i don't use avahi but in retrospect that sounds like the type of thing it does) | 17:01 |
| e3d3 | gnarface: I have added my printer via menu > print settings, and using my system password. | 17:03 |
| e3d3 | gnarface: I now also have avahi installed | 17:03 |
| e3d3 | and the daemon running | 17:04 |
| gnarface | e3d3: to be clear, i would not actually recommend using avahi, i was just trying to think of reasons you might have seemed to need less manual configuration last time you did this | 17:04 |
| e3d3 | the webpage sucks. It doesn't show my printer under heading 'Printers' but it is listed in the 'tab' 'Printers' | 17:05 |
| gnarface | i think that means it's just not set up yet | 17:05 |
| gnarface | maybe i'm not picturing what you're looking at | 17:06 |
| e3d3 | I never asked or wanted avahi but it is installed by default, and I didn't had the time & courage to get rid of this, and other running stuff that I still don't understand | 17:07 |
| e3d3 | nevermind | 17:07 |
| gnarface | well, it's another choice you made at install time, but it may not have been made very clear to you | 17:07 |
| gnarface | avahi is a open source implementation of Apple's bonjour protocol | 17:08 |
| e3d3 | I love to bonjour to Apple ;) | 17:08 |
| e3d3 | to say .. | 17:08 |
| gnarface | oh, well maybe it's expected behavior to you | 17:09 |
| gnarface | i don't like my computers doing stuff i didn't tell them to | 17:09 |
| gnarface | especially like, to their own network configs | 17:09 |
| sgage | system-config-printer is the package in Chimaera. | 17:09 |
| gnarface | e3d3: ^ try installing that to fix the xfce menu maybe | 17:10 |
| e3d3 | allready looking at it | 17:10 |
| sgage | "it aims to be as complete as the CUPS web administration tool, while being integrated to the desktop. | 17:10 |
| e3d3 | it is allready installed | 17:10 |
| sgage | just type system-config-printer on the command line if you can't find it in a menu somewhere. | 17:11 |
| fluffywolf | I've never in all the years cups has existed had anything other than the web interface work properly. | 17:12 |
| fluffywolf | so, I always recommend just using the web interface. heh. | 17:12 |
| sgage | And I never in all the years even knew the web interface thingy existed! | 17:12 |
| sgage | And never had trouble with system-config-printer. | 17:12 |
| gnarface | the web interface has never failed me either but i remember hating it at first and nobody i've introduced it to so far has had any different of a reaction | 17:13 |
| fluffywolf | lol | 17:14 |
| sgage | I can't wait to try it next time I set up a printer ;-) | 17:14 |
| fluffywolf | the part I like least about it is trusting firefox with passwords. | 17:14 |
| e3d3 | sgage: I've added my printer via main menu > print settings, and see it in http://localhost:631/printers/ but tring to use it give error: could not find printer | 17:14 |
| gnarface | yea but it's http basic auth to localhost, it's very easy to make firefox not save that | 17:14 |
| fluffywolf | note that I don't use a desktop environment, so I haven't played with the tools that integrate into them. | 17:14 |
| e3d3 | I tried different USB ports | 17:14 |
| gnarface | e3d3: check permissions | 17:16 |
| gnarface | ? | 17:17 |
| e3d3 | of what ? | 17:17 |
| gnarface | the /dev/ node belonging to that USB port | 17:17 |
| e3d3 | I use my password to enable my printer via menu > print settings, but won't do this in Firefox | 17:18 |
| gnarface | assuming it did it right, is there a button for a test page ? | 17:18 |
| sgage | I don't have any suggestions. Does menu/print settings invoke system-config-printer? | 17:20 |
| e3d3 | yes, I saw somewhere the print test page option | 17:21 |
| sgage | If not, maybe try s-c-p? That's all I got. | 17:21 |
| e3d3 | yes, the menu opens system-config-printer | 17:21 |
| e3d3 | I'm not sure if dmesg tells that the printer is on sdb. Normally I see /dev/... | 17:22 |
| e3d3 | the permissions of /dev/sdb are brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 16 Feb 27 17:19 /dev/sdb | 17:23 |
| gnarface | that is not the thing you want, that's storage | 17:23 |
| gnarface | if you hotplug the usb cable once a new entry will go onto the end of dmesg | 17:23 |
| e3d3 | that shows the storage | 17:24 |
| gnarface | nothing else? | 17:24 |
| e3d3 | EPSON Stylus Storage and much more before. I scan for /dev/... | 17:25 |
| fsmithred | cups setup wants root password or you need to be in lpadmin group, I think | 17:25 |
| gnarface | ah, yea probably | 17:26 |
| e3d3 | sorry my network disconnect | 17:27 |
| gnarface | e3d3: try adding your user to the lpadmin group then relog | 17:27 |
| gnarface | e3d3: (in case you missed it) <fsmithred> cups setup wants root password or you need to be in lpadmin group, I think | 17:28 |
| e3d3 | gnarface: thanks, I didn't miss it but was busy trying different USB ports again because I don't recognize the port in dmesg output. I'll add myself to the lpadmin group | 17:30 |
| e3d3 | I did: sudo usermod -a -G dialout <username> | 17:34 |
| e3d3 | Then I removed the printer and added it again via menu > print settings. | 17:34 |
| e3d3 | Then I clicked on the button to print a test page, and got error' client-error-document-format-not-supported | 17:35 |
| e3d3 | The title is 'CUPS server error' | 17:35 |
| gnarface | hmmm | 17:35 |
| gnarface | you sure you selected the right printer driver? | 17:36 |
| e3d3 | I have & see only 1. | 17:36 |
| e3d3 | I clicked in the GUI 'connect to server', went back to my printer settings, and see the button to print a test page disabled. | 17:37 |
| gnarface | i feel like we're still missing a step here | 17:37 |
| fsmithred | dialout? | 17:37 |
| fsmithred | lpadmin | 17:37 |
| e3d3 | groups ==> e3d3 dialout cdrom floppy sudo audio dip video plugdev netdev lpadmin scanner | 17:38 |
| fsmithred | sudo adduser <username> lpadmin | 17:38 |
| fsmithred | ok | 17:38 |
| e3d3 | I'm glad I'm in the dip group | 17:39 |
| e3d3 | I use it often | 17:39 |
| e3d3 | gnarface: I don't want to tire you more and think we/I should try another time, maybe after a reboot, although you think it is not necessary. | 17:40 |
| fsmithred | I don't remember what that is. | 17:40 |
| e3d3 | nm, it was a bad joke. | 17:41 |
| fsmithred | you still can't get into the admin interface? | 17:41 |
| gnarface | e3d3: well, the way i set up a printer, at some point in the web interface you have to pick from a long list of vendors and models to select a driver... until that's done the printer isn't fully configured | 17:41 |
| fsmithred | and sometimes you have to create the uri to tell cups where the printer is | 17:42 |
| fsmithred | that is a pain in the ass | 17:42 |
| e3d3 | I did that. The GUI printer settings first recognized my printer, then recommended I use the generic printer driver, which I did because I have no clue if my printer has 9 or 12 pins | 17:42 |
| fsmithred | guessing game | 17:42 |
| fsmithred | do they still make 9-pin printers? | 17:43 |
| e3d3 | that suggest I should try now the other Epson driver. | 17:43 |
| fsmithred | what model is it? | 17:44 |
| e3d3 | Epson DX8450 | 17:44 |
| e3d3 | Epson Stylus DX8450 | 17:44 |
| gnarface | you should have just been able to select it from the menus, you shouldn't have had to pick pin counts i don't think... | 17:45 |
| gnarface | it should have just been in there by name | 17:46 |
| gnarface | if it is a supported printer that is | 17:46 |
| fluffywolf | a dot matrix? now you're making me want to dig my daisywheel out of storage. :P | 17:46 |
| fsmithred | epson says inkjet | 17:46 |
| fluffywolf | if it's an inkjet, and it's saying something about pins, something is very wrong. | 17:46 |
| gnarface | some of the printers aren't supported, and some you need to get a driver from the manufacturer website | 17:47 |
| e3d3 | After choosing the recognized Epson printer I have to choose a driver, select Epson and can choose between 9-pins and 24-pins series | 17:47 |
| fluffywolf | 9 or 12 pins is terminology only applicable to dot matrix printers. | 17:47 |
| fluffywolf | so if you're trying to use a generic driver for a dot matrix printer, there is absolutely no chance of it working with an inkjet. | 17:48 |
| e3d3 | I don't know if it is inktjet. It has 4 inkt cartridges of size ca 4,5x6,5x1 cm | 17:48 |
| fluffywolf | it's an inkjet. | 17:49 |
| gnarface | for sure | 17:49 |
| e3d3 | so something is very wrong because the only offered drivers are 9-pin & 24-pins | 17:50 |
| fsmithred | dot matrix printer would have a typewriter ribbon (if you know what that looks like) | 17:50 |
| e3d3 | yes | 17:50 |
| e3d3 | I do | 17:50 |
| fluffywolf | do you have printer-driver-escpr installed? | 17:50 |
| gnarface | dot matrix printers don't have ink cartridges they have ribbons | 17:50 |
| fsmithred | my cups lets me choose epson and then asks if it's 9 or 24-pin | 17:50 |
| e3d3 | fluffywolf: no I don't have printer-driver-escpr installed but will do that + dependency libcupsimage2 | 17:51 |
| fluffywolf | also make sure you have libgutenprint9 and escputil installed. | 17:53 |
| fluffywolf | then restart cups and try again from the beginning | 17:53 |
| e3d3 | fluffywolf: I did. I removed the printer, added it again, and this time it didn't ask for a driver, AND IT IS PRINTING !! | 17:54 |
| e3d3 | SOLVED | 17:54 |
| gnarface | hooraaay | 17:55 |
| fluffywolf | so it was a missing driver package, then? | 17:55 |
| gnarface | yes | 17:55 |
| gnarface | well the most of the entirety of cups was actually missing at first | 17:56 |
| fluffywolf | that almost seems worthy of a bug report for a feature request... some mechanism whereby cups can say "you don't have the needed drivers installed, please install <package name>" when presented with an unknown model, instead of suggesting people try dot matrix drivers. :) | 17:57 |
| e3d3 | So Chimaera brings a lot of regression for my printer setup. Maybe a forum page can help others with simular problems. It is simple if you know where to look | 17:57 |
| mdt | i had a fight with cups too today and only partly won, its logging could use some polishing :/ | 17:57 |
| fluffywolf | I mean, the chances of a generic dot matrix driver working is so exceptionally close to zero (I'd wager the substantial majority of linux users today have never even seen a dot matrix printer) than including them by default while not including anything about common inkjet models is just silly. | 17:58 |
| fluffywolf | s/than/that | 17:58 |
| gnarface | e3d3: fyi there is a forum, it's listed in the channel topic (type /topic) | 17:59 |
| gnarface | e3d3: for all i know this cups issue has already been mentioned there | 17:59 |
| fluffywolf | installing the inkjet driver packages by default, but putting vintage dot matrix support in its own package, would make far more sense. or at least a mechanism to tell people to install it. | 17:59 |
| e3d3 | gnarface: I knew but I almost never shows up when searching for a Devuan solution. I don't use Google (directly) but different search engines prefer results with Debian instead of Devuan, even if the page doesn't contain Devuan | 18:00 |
| e3d3 | I almost = it almost | 18:00 |
| mdt | i have a new devuan install from scratch and cups now reports forbidden fo any action, no clue why | 18:04 |
| mdt | the other was probably a change in hplib and logging told enough to get a hint from the internet. | 18:05 |
| fluffywolf | I've found cups in chimaera to be generally broken and shitty, too. | 18:06 |
| e3d3 | I want to thank you all much for friendly & patiently helping me find this solution. I'm very happy that I don't have to enter my system password in a webbrowser, but so shocked that this is considered normal that I'll think more about this. | 18:12 |
| e3d3 | I didn't notice that I lost connection & don't know if I missed anything (since 18:12 hour) | 18:30 |
| sgage | e3d3: the IRC log for this channel is at: | 18:44 |
| sgage | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_devuan/latest.log.html | 18:44 |
| sgage | Pay no attention that it says freenode - it's the libera channel. | 18:45 |
| e3d3 | sgage: thanks | 18:46 |
| Xenguy | For future reference, the log URL is listed in the /topic | 21:18 |
| Xenguy | http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/_devuan/ | 21:18 |
| Xenguy | ^^ This is the latest version | 21:18 |
| fsmithred | I think one is a symlink | 21:28 |
| brocashelm | getting apt-key deprecation messages with apt update. solved this by moving trusted.gpg to /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d | 23:07 |
| djph | brocashelm: yes, I think the upcoming stable is the last version that's gonna have apt-key | 23:22 |
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