| IgnoreRelayChat | is the chimaera amdgpu driver creating rainbow coloring artifacts for you guys as well? tried with a 7870 and a 3470 via vga | 00:15 |
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| IgnoreRelayChat | only with 3d graphics | 00:15 |
| IgnoreRelayChat | it works fine otherwise, but as soon something wants to render 3d fullscreen, it borks | 00:16 |
| IgnoreRelayChat | 3d in the browser works as well | 00:16 |
| IgnoreRelayChat | i dont know how to fix it | 00:16 |
| IgnoreRelayChat | anyone? | 00:16 |
| _ds_ | IgnoreRelayChat, perhaps pull in kernel and/or Mesa from chimaera-backports? | 00:22 |
| _ds_ | … assuming that you mean HD 3470 (radeon, r300g) and HD 7870 (radeon or amdgpu, radeonsi) | 00:25 |
| _ds_ | (hmm, might be r600g, not r300g; I forget) | 00:26 |
| IdleRelayChat | hardware detection tool says it is a RV620 Pro, using modules radeon : fglrx | 00:43 |
| IdleRelayChat | [my USB wifi stick is quite unstable lately, sorry for disconnecting so often] | 00:43 |
| IdleRelayChat | _ds_, i might just do that, however i suspect im the only one encountering this issue. before trying anything else, i'll try a different screen with a digital input | 00:47 |
| IdleRelayChat | pragmatic, but it might just do the trick | 00:48 |
| _ds_ | You do need to remove fglrx… | 00:48 |
| IdleRelayChat | _ds_, it seems i have made a mistake to post that, because hardware detection tool is a whole distro, not distro | 03:28 |
| IdleRelayChat | damnnit | 03:28 |
| IdleRelayChat | is a whole distro, not devuan* | 03:28 |
| IdleRelayChat | but to be completely honest with you, i will simply ignore the problem because it's a server which doesnt run 3d software in fullscreen /shrugs | 03:29 |
| IdleRelayChat | 3d just doesn't work, fine by me. | 03:30 |
| systemdlete | OK, I feel like an idiot. I moved my root file system from one partition to another partition, and made a mistake in the /etc/fstab file before running grub-install. So I corrected the error, and I can successfully mount the new root file system and mount -a for the rest. (btw, I did all of this from systemrescuecd) And I re-ran the | 03:46 |
| systemdlete | grub-install... what am I forgetting this time? I know this is like Linux Admin 101, but I have forgotten... | 03:46 |
| systemdlete | When I boot, it fails with "/sbin/init: error while loading shared libraries: libpcre2-8.so.0: cannot open shared object fil" but from the systemrescuecd bootup, I can see that the library is there. I think /usr is not getting mounted for some reason. | 03:47 |
| systemdlete | I can't tell though. I ran the console output to a file just to see what boot was doing at the time of the crash. It gives a stack traceback also. | 03:48 |
| systemdlete | http://paste.debian.net/1233386/ | 03:49 |
| fluffywolf | I don't know the answer, but I do know /usr is not needed for anything in /sbin | 03:49 |
| systemdlete | Appreciate anyone who can help me with this (most likely) elementary issue. | 03:49 |
| systemdlete | fluffywolf: See the link; it shows /sbin/init crowing about the library. | 03:50 |
| systemdlete | oh... | 03:51 |
| systemdlete | I think I see the issue | 03:51 |
| fluffywolf | did the initramfs go missing? | 03:51 |
| systemdlete | /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpcre2-8.so.0 is supposed to be on /, but for some reason, it seems to be on /usr ? | 03:51 |
| systemdlete | oh crap, fluffywolf | 03:51 |
| systemdlete | I think I know now. I ran grub-install, not grub-update | 03:52 |
| systemdlete | hand me the pistol | 03:53 |
| fluffywolf | /usr is not required to boot... any libraries that are in /usr should also be in the initramfs... | 03:53 |
| fluffywolf | (that are needed to boot, that is) | 03:53 |
| fluffywolf | LOL, googling says the freedesktop people want to get rid of /usr because systemd wants everything in there to boot. | 03:55 |
| fluffywolf | what will FDO break next? | 03:55 |
| systemdlete | and it is update-grub, not grub-update! (I always forget that). | 03:56 |
| systemdlete | We really need to get away from consistency as well! | 03:56 |
| fluffywolf | "most people don't use this, so we don't care if we break it" | 03:56 |
| systemdlete | it is good to have some programs vary from the rest so people like me will be challenged every time we have to go back and rethink through how it all works. | 03:56 |
| systemdlete | Making it easy will only allow more and more people to understand it, and then we have to find new jobs. | 03:57 |
| systemdlete | (something like that) | 03:57 |
| systemdlete | No, fluffywolf, it is more like "oh, that's so old school" | 03:57 |
| systemdlete | we should get rid of freedesktop people, not /usr | 03:58 |
| fluffywolf | it's always been that /usr can be a separate partition and the system will be bootable enough to perform recovery tasks without it. | 03:59 |
| fluffywolf | however, systemd is a giant all-absorbing blob, which is incompatible with this idea. | 03:59 |
| systemdlete | the only desktop that works reliably for me, and has the bells and whistles I want/need, is xfce. I used to be able to use lxde and some others, but lately they have been dropping features because they don't feel like making some simple bug fixes. They rather spend their time "fixing" how linux and gnu software are supposed to work. | 04:00 |
| fluffywolf | I like icewm. it doesn't have a lot of bells and whistles that get in the way. | 04:01 |
| systemdlete | I like having the weather, clipboard, and a configurable clock built right into it. It's consistent that way. | 04:01 |
| brocashelm | mate and lxqt worked pretty well for me. i just like xfce better (even though it's not so lightweight anymore) | 04:02 |
| systemdlete | I've tried icewm. It kind of reminds me of fvwm, which I am seriously thinking of going back to. It's kind of crude, but it always works consistently. Probably because the new wave people don't use it so they don't monkey with it. | 04:02 |
| systemdlete | I've used lxqt and mate (and cinnamon and some others). They all lack something or another, or are too slow, or something. | 04:03 |
| fluffywolf | xfce annoys me. | 04:03 |
| systemdlete | well at any rate, I'm done blowing steam for the day. | 04:03 |
| systemdlete | thanks for the support and comeraderie. It is comforting to know that there are still a few of us left who care about usability and supportability. | 04:04 |
| systemdlete | yeah, update-grub was the step I missed. | 04:06 |
| fluffywolf | probably wasn't loading the initramfs... | 04:08 |
| leitz | Noob question; daedalus is the "not yet released" version? | 13:09 |
| djph | yeah, chimaera is current stable | 13:12 |
| djph | deadalus is testing right now | 13:12 |
| leitz | djph, thanks. I'm still trying to figure out what I want to do... | 13:15 |
| djph | leitz: in terms of ... ? | 13:16 |
| leitz | djph all my hardware is old, I have this idea to move my desktop to an RPI, and I hate systemd. | 13:16 |
| djph | ah | 13:17 |
| leitz | I've been doing a rolling release Linux for a year or so, but am thinking that a major version stability might be nice. | 13:17 |
| djph | I'd personally go with stable then. I mean, testing is fun and all too, but I never got into using it as my daily driver | 13:18 |
| leitz | On the other hand, I've finally moved from "Linux guy" to "Programmer guy", and haven't gotten passionate about OS testing lately. | 13:18 |
| leitz | I like testing since it's one way I can contribute. | 13:19 |
| leitz | Where can I read up on the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list? | 13:34 |
| djph | leitz: what do you mean the "contents" ? | 13:36 |
| djph | like the format of a list entry? | 13:36 |
| leitz | djph, trying to understand if I want to keep "contrib" and "non-free", as well as "proposed-updates". | 13:36 |
| leitz | I'm about to update an RPi 4, and the fewer changes I make the simpler the update should go. :) | 13:37 |
| leitz | Of course, I'm not even sure what is in "contrib" and "non-free", hence the question. Trying to learn. | 13:37 |
| djph | non-free is the "not-conformant to debian's definition of freedom" (e.g. binary-blob drivers, ala nVidia or intel). I would assume broadcom falls right into that as well | 13:38 |
| djph | contrib is "this software is conformant, but has dependencies not in main" | 13:40 |
| djph | main is "this software and all dependencies are conformant do Debian's definition of free software" | 13:41 |
| djph | https://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines | 13:41 |
| leitz | Thanks! | 13:41 |
| * leitz goes to read. | 13:41 | |
| djph | Oh, this might be more helpful as well --- https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList | 13:45 |
| leitz | Thanks. I'm going to do an upgrade and see if it works. 8) | 13:49 |
| fsmithred | leitz, if aptitude is installed you could run 'aptitude search ~i~snon-free ~i~scontrib' to see what's installed from there. (Usually firmware) | 14:04 |
| leitz | fsmithred, doesn't look to be installed. | 14:06 |
| fsmithred | if you do install it, I suggest you do it with '--no-install-recommends' | 14:08 |
| fsmithred | to keep it small | 14:08 |
| * leitz just cross-compiled a Go program on Devuan/RPi4 and ran it on a MacOS X node. :) | 14:20 | |
| IdleRelayChat | that is so cool | 14:20 |
| IdleRelayChat | i once ran thunar in os x for fun | 14:20 |
| IdleRelayChat | with xquartz | 14:20 |
| IdleRelayChat | is the MacOS X node arm or x86 based? jsut curious | 14:21 |
| leitz | I have to get permission to run anything on my wife's Mac, so I'm careful with it. Especially since she expects me to fix it... | 14:21 |
| leitz | x86 based. | 14:21 |
| leitz | Go let's you cross-compile OS and arch. | 14:21 |
| IdleRelayChat | I'm genuinely impressed and happy reading that. | 14:23 |
| leitz | IdleRelayChat, I'm enjoying Go even though I'm not that good in it. It avoids having to put a lot of extra stuff on the target node, like interpreted languages need. | 14:30 |
| leitz | It's a little bit frustrating at times, but I'm learning more and doing more. | 14:30 |
| * leitz just patched and rebooted his Devuan/RPi4. Let's see if it comes back up... | 14:30 | |
| IdleRelayChat | I've used gogs for a while, but literally never read a single line of source code from it itself | 14:31 |
| leitz | Patch and reboot worked, yay! | 14:31 |
| IdleRelayChat | and, as the name already implies, gogs is based on go | 14:31 |
| IdleRelayChat | congratulations! :D | 14:31 |
| leitz | IdleRelayChat, thank you ! | 14:34 |
| IdleRelayChat | in 5 seconds my devuan html server is on | 14:34 |
| IdleRelayChat | aaaaand | 14:35 |
| leitz | If you've ever programmed in a C-ish language, Go is pretty similar. As you can tell, I'm a fan. | 14:35 |
| IdleRelayChat | it didnt work | 14:35 |
| IdleRelayChat | damn | 14:35 |
| IdleRelayChat | XD | 14:35 |
| leitz | I've never had *that* happen! | 14:35 |
| * leitz wonders why his nose is growing... | 14:35 | |
| IdleRelayChat | actually it the dns cache, it worked | 14:37 |
| IdleRelayChat | yay | 14:37 |
| IdleRelayChat | s/it/it was | 14:37 |
| leitz | Cool, congratulations! | 14:38 |
| IdleRelayChat | thank you | 14:43 |
| golinux | leitz: sources.list info at https://devuan.org/os/packages | 16:49 |
| leitz | golinux, thanks! | 16:50 |
| fluffpuff | Hello! Does someone know a solution for gnome-software center not loading programs? I just did a clean install of devuan with cinnamon and runit. | 18:01 |
| gnarface | does it need some running daemon? runit is missing alot of inits still i think | 18:02 |
| gnarface | i feel like i remember this coming up recently and it was something easy to add though | 18:03 |
| fsmithred | shouldn't matter. Runit will use init scripts that are present. | 18:03 |
| gnarface | oh, that's what it was, someone had runit without any of the the scripts somehow | 18:03 |
| gnarface | i think they were just missing sysv-rc or something? | 18:04 |
| gnarface | or is that sysv specific? | 18:04 |
| fluffpuff | I can check | 18:05 |
| gnarface | i don't really know anything about gnome-software | 18:05 |
| fsmithred | runit-init conflicts with sysv-rc | 18:05 |
| fsmithred | no | 18:05 |
| fsmithred | runit-init depends sysv-rc | 18:06 |
| fluffpuff | I would do everything from terminal, but I want to move a friend over from Windows to linux. I figured out devuan would be a pretty nice choice if configured correctly | 18:06 |
| fsmithred | there's synaptic package manager that's easy to use | 18:07 |
| gnarface | random google search suggests to delete ~/.local/share/gnome-software | 18:08 |
| gnarface | maybe unrelated | 18:08 |
| gnarface | does it give some error? | 18:09 |
| fsmithred | if your windows friends are not used to administering their own systems and you set it up for them, they will probably be very pleased with it. | 18:09 |
| fluffpuff | Hmm that folder gnome-software doesn't exist in the share folder | 18:11 |
| fluffpuff | And there is no error. Only thing I get while opening the program is "No application data found" | 18:12 |
| fsmithred | yeah, try starting gnome-software from a terminal and see if you get errors | 18:12 |
| golinux | fluffp | 18:12 |
| golinux | Oops | 18:12 |
| fsmithred | apt update maybe? | 18:12 |
| fluffpuff | apt update gives that the system is up to date | 18:12 |
| golinux | fluffpuff: Perhaps this? gnome-software-plugin-snap.[snapd] is a banned package | 18:13 |
| fluffpuff | Starting gnome-software from terminal gives no errors | 18:13 |
| fluffpuff | golinux: It could be | 18:13 |
| golinux | Dunno anything about gnome these days . . . | 18:14 |
| fluffpuff | Does this program work on other init systems or it works specifically on gnome only? | 18:14 |
| golinux | except that the 2 to3 move pissed me off | 18:14 |
| golinux | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt | 18:14 |
| fluffpuff | Oh yeah that package is banned. Would that make that program useless? | 18:17 |
| fsmithred | I don't think so | 18:17 |
| fsmithred | p gnome-software-plugin-flatpak - Flatpak support for GNOME Software | 18:18 |
| fsmithred | p gnome-software-plugin-snap - Snap support for GNOME Software | 18:18 |
| fsmithred | do you normally exlude Recommends when you install packages? | 18:18 |
| fluffpuff | I don't think so | 18:21 |
| fluffpuff | Is there some way to get output from what's happening while gnome-software center is running? | 18:22 |
| fluffpuff | I was typing gnome-software --verbose in terminal and that didn't output me code | 18:23 |
| gnarface | if it's not appearing on the terminal you ran it from, maybe it's logging to a file somewhere | 18:23 |
| gnarface | see if it has a man page | 18:24 |
| gnarface | or a --help output? | 18:24 |
| fluffpuff | It does have a man page | 18:24 |
| fluffpuff | Three options to choose from: --help, --version and --mode | 18:25 |
| fluffpuff | mode option starts gnome-software in a given mode | 18:26 |
| fluffpuff | but they aren't helpful. Only 4 modes to choose from: updates, updated, installed and overview. manpage says gnome-software by default starts in overview mode | 18:27 |
| fluffpuff | Maybe better question would be: does someone gotten gnome-software to run on devuan? | 18:27 |
| fluffpuff | *has someone | 18:28 |
| _ds_ | pkginfo.devuan.org would benefit from showing package datestamps (sourced from the changelogs), I think | 18:28 |
| golinux | Not many gnome fans in this camp | 18:28 |
| _ds_ | https://dirtypipe.cm4all.com/ – update your kernels | 18:28 |
| fluffpuff | me too. I am a xfce user myself | 18:29 |
| _ds_ | Xfce here too | 18:29 |
| golinux | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=gnome-software*&x=submit | 18:29 |
| _ds_ | (also, gtk3-nocsd) | 18:30 |
| golinux | :) | 18:30 |
| fsmithred | ok, I just booted up a gnome live-iso that I made. Where | 18:31 |
| fsmithred | oops | 18:31 |
| fsmithred | where is gnome-software-enter? | 18:31 |
| fsmithred | found it, I think | 18:32 |
| fsmithred | Unable to download updates from "extensions.gnome.org" | 18:32 |
| fluffpuff | Program is called "Software" | 18:32 |
| fsmithred | failed to download https://extensions.gnome.org//static/extensions.json | 18:32 |
| fluffpuff | I don't get that error here | 18:32 |
| fsmithred | ssl handshake failed | 18:33 |
| fluffpuff | On gnome even that program fails? | 18:33 |
| fsmithred | wow, I'm not even in the right plae | 18:33 |
| fsmithred | place | 18:33 |
| fluffpuff | Oh :D | 18:33 |
| fsmithred | Let's Go Shopping??? | 18:34 |
| fluffpuff | Does it come preinstalled on the gnome install? | 18:35 |
| fluffpuff | Because that software center does come preinstalled on cinnamon | 18:35 |
| * _ds_ hands fsmithred an interrobang | 18:35 | |
| _ds_ | ‽ | 18:36 |
| fsmithred | yeah, it came with gnome | 18:36 |
| fluffpuff | And it didn't work? | 18:37 |
| fsmithred | not sure if it works or not | 18:37 |
| fsmithred | there are lot of things listed, that I guess are gnome-specific apps | 18:38 |
| fsmithred | or plugins | 18:38 |
| fluffpuff | Oh. The package is called gnome-software | 18:38 |
| fluffpuff | try to open it | 18:38 |
| fsmithred | Unable to install "My Public IP Address": | 18:39 |
| fsmithred | (it's running) | 18:39 |
| fsmithred | GDBus.Error:org.gnome.Shell.DownloadInfoError:6 | 18:39 |
| fsmithred | oh yeah, I started it as user, not root. That might be a problem. | 18:40 |
| fluffpuff | It won't run on root. It throws out Segmentation fault for me, but you can try on your system | 18:41 |
| fluffpuff | It only ran on user account | 18:41 |
| fsmithred | other issue is that I'm not connected to internet. Don't know why. | 18:42 |
| fluffpuff | You on a virtual machine? | 18:43 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 18:43 |
| fsmithred | qemu | 18:43 |
| fsmithred | I guess it should be run by user since it's just desktop plugins | 18:44 |
| fluffpuff | I'm not familiar with qemu. I only used vmware and virtualbox | 18:46 |
| fsmithred | I'll try in vbox in a minutes | 18:46 |
| fsmithred | another difference - this iso has openrc | 18:47 |
| fluffpuff | Oh good to know if that works. Because if other init works with gnome-software, then I'm going to switch. I'm afraid my friends would not like synaptic manager too much, because it's not graphical etc | 18:48 |
| fluffpuff | Graphical I mean with pictures and other candy stuff | 18:48 |
| onefang | You can view screenshots with synaptic. | 18:50 |
| fluffpuff | Thanks for correcting me on that. I didn't know about that feature | 18:52 |
| fluffpuff | Just witnessed it myself | 18:52 |
| fsmithred | I'm not seeing any pictures with gnome-software | 18:54 |
| fsmithred | just words and puzzle-piece icon | 18:55 |
| fsmithred | it's ugly | 18:55 |
| fluffpuff | Even on virtual box with openrc? | 18:55 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 18:56 |
| fsmithred | anyway, I booted the iso in vbox, it connects to the net, I still get the SSL error | 18:57 |
| fluffpuff | Maybe gnome-software is just broken on devuan xD | 18:57 |
| fsmithred | maybe | 18:57 |
| fluffpuff | Umm are you able to ping a webpage? | 18:57 |
| fsmithred | does it normally provide packages? | 18:57 |
| fluffpuff | It should | 18:57 |
| fsmithred | or just plugins? | 18:57 |
| fsmithred | yeah, it shows no packages in repo or installed | 18:58 |
| fsmithred | and yes, I can ping | 18:58 |
| fluffpuff | I believe it provides programs based on devuan repositories. But I don't know why it's broken here. Maybe it depends on systemd smh? | 18:59 |
| fsmithred | oh | 18:59 |
| fsmithred | if I search for libreoffice, it displays the packages | 18:59 |
| fluffpuff | oh really? Even search for me is broken | 19:00 |
| fluffpuff | That is progress | 19:00 |
| fsmithred | if I search for util-linux, I get no hits | 19:00 |
| fsmithred | and I keep getting a popup that says, "Sorry, something went wrong." | 19:00 |
| fluffpuff | Hmm something is atleast working for you. For me it just loads and Explore page is just clean with a text "No application found" | 19:02 |
| fluffpuff | Whenever I try to search for something I don't get anything back | 19:02 |
| fsmithred | does your friend usually use smart phone to get to internet, or do they usually use windows? | 19:03 |
| fsmithred | search only finds installed packages | 19:03 |
| fsmithred | if windows, give them something other than gnome. If phone, then gnome3 should be familiar. | 19:03 |
| fluffpuff | No, I want to give them cinnamon DE. But I want to have them some sorts of a program store to go find programs. This store comes by default with cinnamon on devuan. | 19:05 |
| fluffpuff | I belive gnome would even lag on this laptop | 19:05 |
| fluffpuff | Cinnamon runs just fine | 19:05 |
| fsmithred | oh yeah, cinnamon. That's better. | 19:06 |
| fluffpuff | If gnome-software, which is a program store to go search for programs is broken, then I will need an alternative. Or maybe just stick with synaptic package manager | 19:07 |
| fluffpuff | Weird thing is why does it even come with devuan | 19:07 |
| fsmithred | synaptic is good. It's easy to use, and it has different ways of finding stuff. | 19:07 |
| fsmithred | only stuff that gets excluded is stuff that won't install because it needs systemd. | 19:08 |
| fluffpuff | Hmm then I will need to teach my friend how to use synaptic package manager. I was thinking maybe getting an application store to run similar that pop!_os or linux mint has | 19:12 |
| fluffpuff | I want to make their linux experience as easy as possible without the invasive windows tracking | 19:13 |
| fluffpuff | It would be dumb for them to change from a 10 year old laptop to a new one just to get windows 11 :D | 19:14 |
| fsmithred | I can't think of any reason to get windows 11 | 19:20 |
| fsmithred | synaptic is easy and logical. The main problem will be that they don't know the names of the apps they want. | 19:21 |
| fluffpuff | I collected a list of their needed programs. Thankfully he isn't a heavy adobe suite user or any other proprietary application user. =) | 19:24 |
| fluffpuff | Basically he needs to do MS word, excel and web surfing which all can be replaced by libreoffice and firefox (previously google chrome was their web browser) | 19:25 |
| fluffpuff | At first I was thinking offering them linux mint, but it has that systemd. My artix linux system is so reliable without having systemd | 19:27 |
| fluffpuff | But artix linux isn't so stable probably compared to such as devuan linux as artix is based on rolling arch linux | 19:27 |
| golinux | fluffpuff: There is chatter about a LMDE Devuan edition . . . | 19:35 |
| golinux | But not actually a thing yet https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2317 | 19:36 |
| fluffpuff | That would be nice, but that's just it.. some posts in a forum :( | 19:40 |
| IdleRelayChat | clementine is quite unstable | 23:50 |
| brocashelm | have you tried strawberry music player? | 23:56 |
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