| FilipZ | Hi! From time to time some of my keys become either completely inactive or active only for certain parts of the GUI. Does somebody here know what could be causing this issue? | 00:22 |
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| FilipZ | For example the last time I can tell, the system ignored my medium mouse button imput. | 00:23 |
| rwp | The Trackpoint pointing button uses the middle button differently. For scrolling. Verify you are not using a trackpoint? | 00:27 |
| rwp | Otherwise it might be a failing button. I have one button on one of mine that is flaky and I have to click it and wiggle it a little. | 00:27 |
| rwp | However the description feels insufficient to narrow down the issue. You will have to keep digging into it. | 00:29 |
| rwp | The "xev" program can be used to report on what key presses are being input. | 00:29 |
| rwp | Re: LXQT versus LXDE. I thought LXQT had replaced LXDE and that LXDE was now dead. No? | 00:43 |
| fsmithred | lxde is not dead | 00:43 |
| fsmithred | still works | 00:44 |
| fsmithred | I thought that a couple years ago, and one lxde dev came in here and I asked. They were still doing it. | 00:44 |
| rwp | Good. I used to like LXDE and set it up for other people. Now setting up XFCE for other people. (I just use a window manager. No DE here.) | 00:45 |
| user | installed grub and the problem resolved itself, somehow | 02:36 |
| user | i'll just disable the prompt and pretend im not using it | 02:36 |
| user | by the way, any idea how to download devuan packages through a web browser or with wget? | 02:42 |
| fsmithred | user, browse pkgmaster.devuan.org | 02:44 |
| fsmithred | look in devuan/pool/ for packages. Make sure you select the correct version. | 02:45 |
| fsmithred | right-click, copy location, wget <paste> | 02:46 |
| rwp | user, What's wrong with "apt-get download somepackagename"?? | 03:32 |
| bb|hcb | nemo: check nftables, it comes by default with empty config and when started will also empty the ruleset; one way is comment everything is /etc/nftables.conf... | 05:16 |
| nemo | bb|hcb: ok. thanks. when does nftables start? | 15:18 |
| bb|hcb | nemo: By default after e/n/i, so in case there are iptables rules they are removed later by nftables :( I already had that problem and it is really hard to find | 16:59 |
| brocashelm | fsmithred: refracta has avahi, right? i can't check right now | 18:19 |
| blastwave | this is a very silent irc chan. the right place for Devuan? I hav a question about daedalus which uses ( at the moment ) kernel 5.16.0-4-amd64. There is a problem with NVidia drivers wherein they can not be compiled with newer kernels. Is it safe to revert back to 5.15.28 ? | 19:19 |
| xisop | i'm fairly certain refracta has avahi-daemon | 19:27 |
| xisop | i recently installed from the refracta installer and /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon was a thing | 19:27 |
| brocashelm | xisop: thanks, i figured as much. a friend thinks refracta doesn't while devuan does (?) | 19:42 |
| brocashelm | i just loaded up a live boot of refracta and see that avahi packages are installed, but i don't see an avahi-daemon | 19:46 |
| brocashelm | just libavahi-client, libavahi-common, etc. | 19:47 |
| brocashelm | i know xfce depends on avahi, or else it breaks | 19:48 |
| xisop | i found it in /etc/init.d/ | 20:33 |
| xisop | of course that's just the startup script, but those scripts usually tend to shell out to the actual binary | 20:33 |
| xisop | please keep in mind that my observations are from me seeing the avahi-daemon in my /etc/init.d/ folder after i install the live disk. i did not check prior to installtation, but there is one thing that leads me to believeing that it's there during live disk... | 20:34 |
| xisop | ... and that's the fact that the live disk installer simply copies what's on the live disk to your target partition | 20:35 |
| rwp | brocashelm, I often run XFCE and I always remove avahi deamon and I have never had a problem with XFCE without avahi. What problems do you have? | 20:45 |
| rwp | blastwave, Yes. You can revert back to the previous kernel okay. Note the recent security patches to kernels. | 20:47 |
| brocashelm | rwp: i don't have the avahi-daemon itself, but if attempted to remove libavahi-common3, it will also take down a bulk of my packages (including xfce stuff) | 20:50 |
| brocashelm | *if i attempted | 20:50 |
| fsmithred | brocashelm, no avahi in Refracta isos. | 22:32 |
| brocashelm | fsmithred: got it | 23:00 |
| fsmithred | I could never figure out what it was good for | 23:00 |
| brocashelm | although is libavahi required for xfce? | 23:01 |
| brocashelm | i realized i have these ones installed and can't remove them without taking down my system first | 23:01 |
| brocashelm | same as with libapparmor1 | 23:01 |
| brocashelm | i don't even use apparmor anyway | 23:01 |
| fsmithred | yeah, a lot of packages require libraries that might not get used | 23:13 |
| fsmithred | libselinux is another | 23:13 |
| brocashelm | yeah, i have that one, too | 23:14 |
| brocashelm | like libsemanage-common | 23:14 |
| brocashelm | if i removed that, it would break apt | 23:14 |
| fsmithred | apt rdepends libavahi-(your choice) | 23:15 |
| brocashelm | ouch | 23:16 |
| fsmithred | you can avoid a few by installing without recommends, but if you're running Refracta, you're already doing that | 23:16 |
| brocashelm | true, i've never switched out of refracta | 23:16 |
| rwp | brocashelm, Fortunately the library dependencies get automatically turned into package dependencies via the build helper scripts. | 23:21 |
| rwp | Therefore if the package is installed then you can be assured that all of the shared library dependencies are also installed. | 23:21 |
| brocashelm | yeah | 23:21 |
| brocashelm | it's fine as it is, but it can be interesting to see how poettering-free one can get beyond just no systemd or pulseaudio | 23:22 |
| rwp | If recompiling then things can get a lot leaner. But unless recompiling the stock Debian packages have bindings for those things. But they optionally are used so by default not used. | 23:23 |
| brocashelm | i remember asking about why pulseaudio was installed in devuan, but it's understandable as you can just remove it and your system will work just fine. it's the d-bus, polkit, gvfs, etc. packages and libs that can make your system unstable | 23:24 |
| brocashelm | yeah, only 200-ish packages are forked and they're minor changes for the most part | 23:24 |
| rwp | I don't know why but the mdns module in /etc/nsswitch.conf always has trouble for me. It will often take max time before timing out really slowing my DNS. | 23:24 |
| rwp | And the entire premise of trusting what some other device on the LAN says it will do for you seems insane to me. | 23:24 |
| rwp | Therefore I always purge off avahi daemon and remove mdns from nsswitch.conf and remove libmdns whatever from the system. I have no trust in my soul. :-) | 23:25 |
| rwp | Also the main example that is always cited is printers. But for printers CUPS does not need mdns nor avahi to work. So that seems like a lame example. | 23:26 |
| brocashelm | i use hplip... | 23:27 |
| rwp | Yes. Me too. | 23:27 |
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