| Vall | brocashelm: what's "dmo"? and regarding oibaf's, which driver are you using, Nouveau? | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| brocashelm | vall: debian-multimedia-org, and using amd/ati/radeon | 00:03 |
| Vall | brocashelm: https://deb-multimedia.org/ ? | 00:04 |
| brocashelm | vall: correct | 00:05 |
| Vall | brocashelm: thanks for the clarifications, mate! | 00:06 |
| Vall | brocashelm: interesting to hear Ceres is working well for you. Do you think it could work reasonably as the next best thing to a true "rolling release" Devuan? | 00:10 |
| brocashelm | vall: i think so. i've been using ceres since 2020 and only had four or five grave bug reports (you could avoid those until they got patched). i know it's not what devuan is about, but i thought even ceres was more stable than most other "stable" distros | 00:14 |
| brocashelm | and bgstack15 maintains a few repos specifically for ceres that you can't find in the main repos: https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/home:bgstack15 | 00:14 |
| Vall | brocashelm: thanks for the additional tips, perhaps I will install it on one of my machines and see how well it holds up! | 00:18 |
| brocashelm | vall: cool, let us know how it goes | 00:20 |
| Vall | brocashelm: sure thing, will do | 00:23 |
| xisop | i had to specify the DISPLAY env var since i was calling notify-send from a crontab | 00:51 |
| Acid-Bong | Oi there | 08:32 |
| Acid-Bong | Distrowatch identifies Devuan releases (Chimaera and Beowulf) as semi-rolling, which it defines as "the core system is updated rarely, the userspace is recent and fresh". How true is that? | 08:32 |
| brocashelm | that's misleading information. chimaera is the current stable release and beowulf is oldstable. only daedalus (testing) and ceres (unstable) get updates frequently | 08:37 |
| plasma41 | Acid-Bong: Beowulf is oldstable. Chimaera is stable. Daedalus is the current testing. | 08:38 |
| Acid-Bong | so Devuan releases are as fixed as Debian, and userspace can also be outdated? | 08:40 |
| brocashelm | devuan is technically debian sans systemd | 08:45 |
| Acid-Bong | ight, cheers | 08:50 |
| Acid-Bong | btw, is there a "weekly" ISO that's able to install unstable/testing system? or a legit guide on that? | 08:51 |
| brocashelm | no ceres isos, but we have some daedalus ones you could try | 08:53 |
| brocashelm | https://www.devuan.org/get-devuan | 08:54 |
| brocashelm | choose one of the mirrors, and then click on devuan_daedalus | 08:54 |
| brocashelm | for upgrading, it's possible by just modifying your /etc/apt/sources.list to replace the codename (like beowulf or chimaera) with daedalus, but testing (as with unstable) only has one repository (as opposed to -updates, -security, -backports, etc.) | 08:56 |
| brocashelm | afterwards (best to drop to shell for this process), run sudo apt update, sudo apt upgrade, sudo apt dist-upgrade... and if all goes well, reboot your system | 08:57 |
| brocashelm | i run ceres on all my systems and it's pretty stable in my experience. only a few hiccups with some gnome and kde stuff, but xfce, mate, lxqt, lxde, etc. work smoothly | 08:58 |
| Acid-Bong | i'm more of a rolling guy too (Arch/Void), so i'm into that as well | 09:00 |
| Acid-Bong | btw, if i'm to choose testing, would there be a difference whether i change the repo to `daedalus` or `testing`? cuz daedalus once will become a stable release, and testing will be synced with excalibur | 09:02 |
| brocashelm | use daedalus in devuan's case | 09:11 |
| brocashelm | the devs recommend not using "stable", "testing", or "unstable" because they can cause problems | 09:11 |
| brocashelm | btw, make sure to install the packages apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs if you decide to go with daedalus or ceres in this case | 09:12 |
| brocashelm | apt-listbugs can come in handy if there's a grave bug report (which you can dodge said package build upon the instructions) | 09:12 |
| brocashelm | and since you've used void before, please help test runit for us. it currently works well as init, but we still use sysv scripts | 09:13 |
| Acid-Bong | are those scripts about the init itself or for service management? cuz i only understand the latter and compare exactly service management in inits | 09:22 |
| brocashelm | service management | 09:23 |
| brocashelm | so runit works on its own, but for managing services, we use service command instead of run sv | 09:23 |
| Acid-Bong | ah, that one | 09:24 |
| brocashelm | here's a thread on runit at the dev1galaxy forums: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3716 | 09:25 |
| brocashelm | might be worth a read. a runit dev is on there | 09:26 |
| Acid-Bong | Btw, i'm trying to install devuan from debootstrap and it fails to download the Release file. What can cause it? | 09:26 |
| * Acid-Bong uploaded an image: (4KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/UCyhXnPJwARZKUMtmODQbyPO/image.png > | 09:27 | |
| Acid-Bong | (same issue was with Debian, but at least where i am debian.org somehow is unreachable, but devuan.org is, so i could check correctly) | 09:28 |
| brocashelm | are you trying to install ceres? | 09:29 |
| Acid-Bong | aye | 09:29 |
| brocashelm | does your sources.list line look like this? deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ ceres main | 09:30 |
| Acid-Bong | i'm on Arch ISO | 09:30 |
| onefang | Acid-Bong is using debootstrap, sources.list isn't relevant. You might need the devuan version of debootstrap. | 09:31 |
| brocashelm | oh, gotcha | 09:31 |
| Acid-Bong | guess i'd rather use the devuan iso this time | 09:32 |
| jason1236 | hello | 12:45 |
| jason1236 | is there a ceres with armel ? (old arm type). | 12:45 |
| jason1236 | v5 | 12:45 |
| buZz | jason1236: hmm | 13:13 |
| buZz | lemme see | 13:13 |
| buZz | i -think- there's armel still | 13:13 |
| buZz | wait, sid? why would you want that? | 13:14 |
| buZz | there is beowulf and chimaera for armel anyway | 13:15 |
| buZz | https://arm-files.devuan.org/ | 13:15 |
| buZz | there's no ceres/sid install images, because , well, its not for users really :D | 13:15 |
| jason1236 | armel will die? | 13:51 |
| jason1236 | this is so annoying that linux kernel cannot support any kind of CPUs. | 13:52 |
| buZz | jason1236: ? | 13:52 |
| jason1236 | big business. | 13:52 |
| buZz | what -are- you talking about | 13:52 |
| jason1236 | I have a pandora | 13:52 |
| buZz | i only have a openpandora | 13:52 |
| jason1236 | the pandora is only armel - not armhf. | 13:52 |
| buZz | i know what it is | 13:52 |
| jason1236 | buZz: really? cool | 13:52 |
| buZz | yeah, considered getting the pyra aswell | 13:53 |
| buZz | but it is such horrible specs for the price | 13:53 |
| jason1236 | buZz: i sucks pyra. | 13:53 |
| jason1236 | pyra has not much feature, and having linux only sucks. | 13:53 |
| buZz | at least pyra can be CPU upgraded :D | 13:53 |
| buZz | linux only? huh , wtf is the alternative then? | 13:53 |
| buZz | you wanna run MSDOS? :D | 13:53 |
| jason1236 | it is not working for BSD. you know, after some years youcan throw your hardware. | 13:53 |
| buZz | i dont follow what you're on about | 13:54 |
| jason1236 | ah,... linux and debian are used to not care about old hardware. | 13:54 |
| buZz | debian 11 still does armv5 | 13:54 |
| tarzeau | m68k is not old? | 13:54 |
| jason1236 | If you buy a hardware, you can make sure that BSD works on it. if it lasts, then you can use BSD (once linux does not longer support it). | 13:55 |
| buZz | jason1236: i really have no idea what you're on about | 13:55 |
| buZz | who cares about BSD , lol, this is #devuan | 13:55 |
| jason1236 | old - i mean after 10 - 20 years. | 13:55 |
| buZz | DID you manage to install armel devuan yet? | 13:55 |
| jason1236 | i have to try devuan on openpandora | 13:55 |
| buZz | and WHY do you need ceres and not a release version? | 13:55 |
| tarzeau | jason1236: last time i tried netbsd on mips... i was able to use the serial console (nothing else :) | 13:55 |
| jason1236 | I did already a debootstrap armhf to test, but openprandora works best with armel. | 13:55 |
| buZz | jason1236: did you know manufacturer of openpandora makes a specific distro for the openpandora? | 13:56 |
| jason1236 | tarzeau: strange, practice bsd then to study and learn how this tech works. it is really powererful and stanble. | 13:56 |
| jason1236 | buZz: yearap... the andgstrom | 13:57 |
| jason1236 | buZz: i want evilwm with devuan / armel ;) I pretty old retro Xorg/Destkop ;) | 13:57 |
| buZz | do it then :) | 13:57 |
| jason1236 | ok | 13:57 |
| buZz | how far are you now, what have you tried | 13:57 |
| jason1236 | buZz: I did SID so far, but troubles with texas instrument wifi | 13:58 |
| buZz | yeah no doubt :P | 13:58 |
| jason1236 | the wifi didnt work. i hate closed sofource planet/hardware | 13:58 |
| buZz | did that driver even go to mainline? | 13:58 |
| buZz | did you install the firmware ? | 13:58 |
| onefang | #devuan-arm would be a better place to discuss Devuan on ARM CPUs. | 13:58 |
| jason1236 | i used the wl 1250 driver into modlues. there is on github a more recent one. | 13:59 |
| buZz | try sticking to kernel drivers first, and install the firmware | 13:59 |
| jason1236 | onefang: #devuan-arm is sleeping all years. very unactive. you shoul.d dd merge it to #devuan | 13:59 |
| buZz | wg #devuan-arm | 13:59 |
| buZz | there's 39 ppl there | 14:00 |
| buZz | not you | 14:00 |
| jason1236 | buZz: i will try soon. i come back and let you know. happy you use openpandora too | 14:00 |
| buZz | i dont use it | 14:00 |
| buZz | i -have- it ;) | 14:00 |
| jason1236 | buZz: museaum hardware? | 14:00 |
| buZz | i have many better/nicer systems for portable use, pandora hurts my hands :D | 14:00 |
| onefang | There has been chat in #devuan-arm earlier today. :-P | 14:00 |
| buZz | jason1236: check the Motorola Droid 4 , there's modern-ish devuan for that | 14:00 |
| buZz | its often ~25 euro on ebay | 14:00 |
| jason1236 | wow | 14:01 |
| buZz | dual core, 1gb ram, higher res display than pandora, lighter, thinner, full qwerty -slider- keyboard | 14:01 |
| jason1236 | buZz: it is cool , but it is out of Life ! | 14:02 |
| buZz | jason1236: and pandora is what? :D | 14:02 |
| jason1236 | buZz: it would be better to put a tft joyit + a chip on pi , andd 3d print a boxing | 14:02 |
| buZz | during life it didnt have much custom linux support | 14:02 |
| buZz | i wanna make http://penkesu.computer/ | 14:03 |
| jason1236 | pinebook ? | 14:03 |
| buZz | no | 14:03 |
| jason1236 | I like the pinebnoook, i considere it | 14:03 |
| buZz | i have a arm laptop already, it was free, 8 core armv7 4gb ram 1080p display | 14:03 |
| buZz | samsung chromebook 2 from ~10 years old aswell | 14:03 |
| jason1236 | wow - a beast. what is hte brand? | 14:03 |
| buZz | XE503C32 is the model number | 14:04 |
| jason1236 | thank you very much. penkesu looks super super cool | 14:04 |
| jason1236 | you should not buy a EOL machine, it wont last long (software - like kernel speekaing). | 14:05 |
| jason1236 | i have a 220cs toshiba, and since ages LINUX drop the support! | 14:05 |
| jason1236 | really cool machine | 14:06 |
| buZz | i buy many EOL machines :P | 14:09 |
| buZz | i have a whole pile of 'Zipit Z2' machines | 14:09 |
| buZz | 2007 childrens toy, ppl made a linux distro for that to replace stock software | 14:09 |
| buZz | its a nice small 'ssh and wifi' device to carry along | 14:09 |
| jason1236 | buZz: I am glad to meet experienced users on irc. it is not often to find and talk with experienced users (on irc). | 14:09 |
| buZz | they're all over ;) | 14:10 |
| jason1236 | buZz: I try to stay with netbsd or bsd planet. i am sure it will work in several years. | 14:10 |
| buZz | i guess | 14:10 |
| jason1236 | buZz: in hte poast i had a Revo Psion with linu x;) | 14:10 |
| jason1236 | the psion revo was perfect size and weight. | 14:11 |
| buZz | nice :) | 14:11 |
| jason1236 | thzen, i broke it. EO --- Life of hardware. | 14:11 |
| jason1236 | i used as well on Psion . saarge. i twas fine. | 14:12 |
| jason1236 | does devuan offer support for 16 mb ram machines? | 14:12 |
| * jason1236 (out of irssi - for some mins.). | 14:13 | |
| buZz | eh | 14:13 |
| buZz | in theory? sure, a kernel would be what, 4MB of ram? | 14:13 |
| jason1236 | yea but a old kernel. a kernel 2.x is no fun at al. netbsd has better kernel and hardware support for that think wth tiny compilation | 14:21 |
| * jason1236 need to go. see youlater. | 14:22 | |
| buZz | i dont know why a kernel should be -fun- :D | 14:22 |
| jyri | heh, kernel config/compiling used to be routine so not fun (it took more than 1,5 hours) to get my HW running but nothing out of ordinary | 18:24 |
| Akuli | how do i prevent my laptop from going to sleep when i close the lid? i have tried IgnoreLid=true in /etc/UPower/UPower.conf, and i found systemd specific answers with google | 18:56 |
| Akuli | i currently run mate without mate-power-manager | 18:57 |
| debdog | Akuli: /etc/elogind/logind.conf HandleLidSwitch=ignore | 18:58 |
| Akuli | thanks! it works! | 19:00 |
| debdog | phew | 19:01 |
| jason1236 | buZz: wanna play a chess game ? telnet 209.141.39.228 8888 <-- gaming on telnet ;) to move e.g.: a2 a3 | 21:22 |
| buZz | no | 21:34 |
| used____ | Did he say TELNET! The T-word! Run! | 22:09 |
| brocashelm | ^ #devuan-offtopic | 22:10 |
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