libera/#devuan/ Wednesday, 2022-04-06

ham5urgIs there a package to get Intel Wifi firmware into the system?00:07
debdogfirmware-iwlwifi probably00:09
debdogpart of non-free, AFAIK00:11
ham5urgOk, I will install it. The audio-device is missed too. Firmware for soundcards? Is that something new?00:16
gnarfacei thought some newer creative labs cards need firmware, dunno about others00:21
gnarfacethere is a firmware-realtek package but i thought it was just for ethernet00:21
ham5urgLooks like Gnome uses Wayland only. Is X11 dead for Gnome?00:26
gnarfacegood question00:32
ham5urgAt least any Wacom-tablet-software breaks with Wayland. That's a good sign. I will have to switch to X11 or abandon Gnome.00:45
psionicguys you heard about this Antix?00:46
psionicanother cancer(d) free debian00:46
psionicso far so good gonna do more testing on it00:46
psionicdamn I even running it on an old FX4400 with 1GB ram00:46
psionictry that with linux mint it will shit itself together :/00:46
ham5urgI believed Antix is some Arch-relative.00:47
brocashelmartix is arch without systemd00:58
psionicwell its time for me to find a solution soon, still using gutted debian stretch on my laptop, will be EOL this summer00:58
brocashelmi'm fine with refracta00:59
psionicwith devuan I had some prob with vmware workstation as I recall00:59
psionicI think debian is ending i386 next year as well so won't be a choice for old machines anymore anyway01:02
golinuxThis is pretty OT with just grumbling01:21
psionicnot really and nobody uses irc anymore anyway be happy that there is even someone here to talk01:25
psioniceven this freenode network is a fucking rugpull i dont even know where we are now01:26
golinuxLibera01:34
golinuxWe use irc. And this channel is not for OT chatter.01:35
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psionicwhy so strict are u nazi russia or what01:53
psionicseems like u have too much time on your hand trolling in here01:53
psioniccheck out the russians state sponsored linux01:53
psionicsimilar to redstarOS01:54
psionicits a pile of shit called base alt linux01:54
psionicit uses rpm packages with apt lmfao01:54
psionicNWAAAAaahahahh4AhaHAHhaHhaHHaaAhAhHAahAHhaha4AhAHA01:54
psionichavent seen such a monstrosity in my life01:54
brocashelmlol01:58
atrapahow to be able to use/view non-ascii chars in the raspberry pi devuan desktop?09:52
atrapaand/or virtual terminal09:52
gnarfacefirst "dpkg-reconfigure locales" to enable utf809:58
gnarfacethen maybe install some fonts that have unicode glyphs09:59
gnarfaceyou'll probably have to reload X too09:59
gnarfacenot all terminals support unicode though even after doing this10:00
gnarfacemake sure yours does10:00
gnarface(if you don't know which ones do, i recommend rxvt-unicode-256color)10:00
atrapaok thanks i will try10:01
gnarfacedepending on how you installed, the locales package may not be installed by default and you'll have to install it first in that case10:03
atrapalocales reconfigured10:03
atrapait was installed10:03
systemdletegnarface:  I think I might have a handle on my webcam issues.  I can get video and sound on beowulf VMs and hosts, but I cannot get it in chimaera VMs (I do not yet have a chimaera host).10:03
systemdleteI want to try going back to an earlier kernel on a test chimaera host or VM to see if that makes any difference.10:04
systemdleteBut that seems to be the dividing line from what I can tell.10:04
gnarfacesystemdlete: i have no particular advice in that case, although don't forget to try the uvcdynctl thing too... at some point there was a divergence though i thought it was longer ago than beowulf10:04
gnarfacesystemdlete: it only affected some devices, and in my experience they have partial functionality still with v4l2-ctl10:05
gnarfacesystemdlete: for all i know it's just a kernel mismatch issue, like the protocol just isn't compatible between the beowulf and chimaera kernels10:06
systemdletehuh.   You know, I did end up installing uvc software on some of the systems where I was testing the webcam10:06
gnarfaceactually i have a camera on a beowulf system i'm using both v4l2-ctl and uvcdynctl in the setup script for whatever reason10:07
gnarfacei think i ran into things both tools could do that the other tool couldn't10:07
gnarfacemay have been a bug though10:08
systemdleteThe one VM where I was running the webcam before is running the latest beowulf kernel, but the webcam does not work there.  So that theory may not be right after all.10:08
gnarfaceoh, this beowulf system in question is actually running a rather old kernel too10:09
systemdleteI have been using cheese as a testbed just because it is available everywhere and it is small and simple compared to other tools.  It's really odd.10:09
gnarfaceso from my testing here, i can't discount a kernel regression10:09
systemdleteOK, it's possible.10:09
gnarfaceit's not even a stock debian kernel, it's something one of the devuan-arm guys built for rpi110:10
gnarface4.15.3+10:10
systemdleteBut I am continuing to run this down while, at the same time, I am fighting with Comcast to fix my download speeds.   I just installed a new modem a week ago, and it was getting 300 or so down but it has been dipping lower and lower the past few days.   I even had a tech out here to double check the line, but they found no problems.10:10
systemdleteIt's a Netgear CM1000.  Paid almost $200.   And this, after having returned an ARRIS modem that Comcast just could not get to work.10:11
systemdleteSo I have lots of aggravation going on here.10:12
systemdleteThe one thing that is different about the VM in question (running beowulf but that beowulf does not get the webcam working) is that I also have zoom installed there.   And that might be the key.   Zoom is not open source from what I can tell, you have to download it from their site.   I am also running slack there, although I don't think that10:14
systemdleteone uses any multimedia.    Maybe zoom installs some fudgeware that interferes with normal audio/video operation.10:14
atrapait works10:18
atrapathanks10:18
gnarfaceno problem, atrapa10:19
lunariowhat might be the reason that when i run pm-suspend on my thinkpad x61s in devuan, and then close the lid, it reactivates the system again?19:06
lunarioin the bios i could not find any settings regarding power management for lid closing19:07
nikj+20:04
niki put a extra hdd into my notebook and something happened to my devuan20:05
nikmouse went crazy and i have to start startx after i log in20:05
nikctrl alt f4 login then startx20:05
niki upgraded from devuan 3 to 4 . it worked but x server kinda crashed . then i got a error message20:06
nikfatal error : systemD logind20:07
nikEE20:07
nikunkown key SYSFS{idVendor} /etc/udev/60-brother-libsane-type1-inst.rules:1420:09
nik^ also udev 23057 invalid rule /etc/udev/rules.d20:10
nikrules.d/60-brother-libs etc. same as above20:11
nikudev 23058 unkown key SYSFS{idVendor} /etc/udev/60-brother-libsane-type1-inst.rules:1420:12
nik udev 23058 invalid rule  /etc/udev/rules.d/60-brother-libsabe-type1-inst.rules:1420:13
xisopis the merge to consolidate directories into /usr something that devuan will need to adopt when and if debian chooses to ?21:14
Xenguyxisop, I don't know if it is technically possible for Devuan to avoid following suit, but perhaps idle for a bit until someone who knows for certain can answer21:29
hungrymanhello! I have just installed Devuan and was directed here from the #debian IRC channel included with the distro21:59
hungrymanI am testing the distro on a virtualbox instance and may install it on some spare hardware at home22:02
hungrymanreally enjoying the distro so far22:02
debdogo/22:03
KingsyHi all, what is the process for switching from pulseaudio to something else? pipewire?22:52
PhotoJimare the minimum hardware requirements (particularly on the i386 port) the same as with Debian (i.e. AMD Geode or 686 or newer)?23:05
furrymcgeeapt install alsa-utils libasound223:28
_ds_PhotoJim, I would be extremely surprised if it were different23:40
Kingsyfurrymcgee: was that in response to my question?23:42
_ds_Also, libasound2 is superfluous in that command as it's required by alsa-utils.23:42
furrymcgeeyes, thats what I did23:43
Kingsyabsolutely happyto use alsa. but how do I change output channels if I have say a USB headset and laptop speakers? pulseaudio lets me (sometimes because its CRAP) switch the output channel between headset and speakers for sources.. alsa cant do this can it?23:43
_ds_(except, perhaps, for any effect on the automatically-installed state)23:43
Kingsyalso. microsoft teams requires a pulseaudio server I THINK.23:44
furrymcgeeits worth to mention libasound2 because it contains /usr/share/doc/libasound2/examples/asoundrc.txt23:44
Kingsyah looks like teams does support pipewire.23:46
Kingsyis the switch to pipewire simple enough? Anyone done it?23:46
_ds_Different audio devices – probably some default way, but I'd use a custom ~/.asoundrc – something like https://paste.debian.net/plainh/3a5e0e1723:47
_ds_That'll let you set a device at launch time by setting the env var ALSA_DEVICE appropriately23:48
Kingsyyeah I need pipewire of PA for teams. so its one or the other.23:48
_ds_Or apulse.23:49
_ds_(Probably, anyway.)23:49
KingsyI guess I'll wait around and see if anyone that has done this can offer advice. not much around on google regarding it. - devuan specific I mena23:51
PhotoJim_ds_: thanks - that's my instinct too.  Will experiment.23:54
_ds_Kingsy, you probably won't find much Devuan-specific; don't ignore for Debian or Ubuntu.23:57

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