ham5urg | Is there a package to get Intel Wifi firmware into the system? | 00:07 |
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debdog | firmware-iwlwifi probably | 00:09 |
debdog | part of non-free, AFAIK | 00:11 |
ham5urg | Ok, I will install it. The audio-device is missed too. Firmware for soundcards? Is that something new? | 00:16 |
gnarface | i thought some newer creative labs cards need firmware, dunno about others | 00:21 |
gnarface | there is a firmware-realtek package but i thought it was just for ethernet | 00:21 |
ham5urg | Looks like Gnome uses Wayland only. Is X11 dead for Gnome? | 00:26 |
gnarface | good question | 00:32 |
ham5urg | At least any Wacom-tablet-software breaks with Wayland. That's a good sign. I will have to switch to X11 or abandon Gnome. | 00:45 |
psionic | guys you heard about this Antix? | 00:46 |
psionic | another cancer(d) free debian | 00:46 |
psionic | so far so good gonna do more testing on it | 00:46 |
psionic | damn I even running it on an old FX4400 with 1GB ram | 00:46 |
psionic | try that with linux mint it will shit itself together :/ | 00:46 |
ham5urg | I believed Antix is some Arch-relative. | 00:47 |
brocashelm | artix is arch without systemd | 00:58 |
psionic | well its time for me to find a solution soon, still using gutted debian stretch on my laptop, will be EOL this summer | 00:58 |
brocashelm | i'm fine with refracta | 00:59 |
psionic | with devuan I had some prob with vmware workstation as I recall | 00:59 |
psionic | I think debian is ending i386 next year as well so won't be a choice for old machines anymore anyway | 01:02 |
golinux | This is pretty OT with just grumbling | 01:21 |
psionic | not really and nobody uses irc anymore anyway be happy that there is even someone here to talk | 01:25 |
psionic | even this freenode network is a fucking rugpull i dont even know where we are now | 01:26 |
golinux | Libera | 01:34 |
golinux | We use irc. And this channel is not for OT chatter. | 01:35 |
psionic | hohoho� | 01:52 |
psionic | hohoho�� | 01:52 |
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psionic | hohoho� | 01:52 |
psionic | why so strict are u nazi russia or what | 01:53 |
psionic | seems like u have too much time on your hand trolling in here | 01:53 |
psionic | check out the russians state sponsored linux | 01:53 |
psionic | similar to redstarOS | 01:54 |
psionic | its a pile of shit called base alt linux | 01:54 |
psionic | it uses rpm packages with apt lmfao | 01:54 |
psionic | NWAAAAaahahahh4AhaHAHhaHhaHHaaAhAhHAahAHhaha4AhAHA | 01:54 |
psionic | havent seen such a monstrosity in my life | 01:54 |
brocashelm | lol | 01:58 |
atrapa | how to be able to use/view non-ascii chars in the raspberry pi devuan desktop? | 09:52 |
atrapa | and/or virtual terminal | 09:52 |
gnarface | first "dpkg-reconfigure locales" to enable utf8 | 09:58 |
gnarface | then maybe install some fonts that have unicode glyphs | 09:59 |
gnarface | you'll probably have to reload X too | 09:59 |
gnarface | not all terminals support unicode though even after doing this | 10:00 |
gnarface | make sure yours does | 10:00 |
gnarface | (if you don't know which ones do, i recommend rxvt-unicode-256color) | 10:00 |
atrapa | ok thanks i will try | 10:01 |
gnarface | depending on how you installed, the locales package may not be installed by default and you'll have to install it first in that case | 10:03 |
atrapa | locales reconfigured | 10:03 |
atrapa | it was installed | 10:03 |
systemdlete | gnarface: I think I might have a handle on my webcam issues. I can get video and sound on beowulf VMs and hosts, but I cannot get it in chimaera VMs (I do not yet have a chimaera host). | 10:03 |
systemdlete | I want to try going back to an earlier kernel on a test chimaera host or VM to see if that makes any difference. | 10:04 |
systemdlete | But that seems to be the dividing line from what I can tell. | 10:04 |
gnarface | systemdlete: i have no particular advice in that case, although don't forget to try the uvcdynctl thing too... at some point there was a divergence though i thought it was longer ago than beowulf | 10:04 |
gnarface | systemdlete: it only affected some devices, and in my experience they have partial functionality still with v4l2-ctl | 10:05 |
gnarface | systemdlete: for all i know it's just a kernel mismatch issue, like the protocol just isn't compatible between the beowulf and chimaera kernels | 10:06 |
systemdlete | huh. You know, I did end up installing uvc software on some of the systems where I was testing the webcam | 10:06 |
gnarface | actually i have a camera on a beowulf system i'm using both v4l2-ctl and uvcdynctl in the setup script for whatever reason | 10:07 |
gnarface | i think i ran into things both tools could do that the other tool couldn't | 10:07 |
gnarface | may have been a bug though | 10:08 |
systemdlete | The one VM where I was running the webcam before is running the latest beowulf kernel, but the webcam does not work there. So that theory may not be right after all. | 10:08 |
gnarface | oh, this beowulf system in question is actually running a rather old kernel too | 10:09 |
systemdlete | I have been using cheese as a testbed just because it is available everywhere and it is small and simple compared to other tools. It's really odd. | 10:09 |
gnarface | so from my testing here, i can't discount a kernel regression | 10:09 |
systemdlete | OK, it's possible. | 10:09 |
gnarface | it's not even a stock debian kernel, it's something one of the devuan-arm guys built for rpi1 | 10:10 |
gnarface | 4.15.3+ | 10:10 |
systemdlete | But I am continuing to run this down while, at the same time, I am fighting with Comcast to fix my download speeds. I just installed a new modem a week ago, and it was getting 300 or so down but it has been dipping lower and lower the past few days. I even had a tech out here to double check the line, but they found no problems. | 10:10 |
systemdlete | It's a Netgear CM1000. Paid almost $200. And this, after having returned an ARRIS modem that Comcast just could not get to work. | 10:11 |
systemdlete | So I have lots of aggravation going on here. | 10:12 |
systemdlete | The one thing that is different about the VM in question (running beowulf but that beowulf does not get the webcam working) is that I also have zoom installed there. And that might be the key. Zoom is not open source from what I can tell, you have to download it from their site. I am also running slack there, although I don't think that | 10:14 |
systemdlete | one uses any multimedia. Maybe zoom installs some fudgeware that interferes with normal audio/video operation. | 10:14 |
atrapa | it works | 10:18 |
atrapa | thanks | 10:18 |
gnarface | no problem, atrapa | 10:19 |
lunario | what might be the reason that when i run pm-suspend on my thinkpad x61s in devuan, and then close the lid, it reactivates the system again? | 19:06 |
lunario | in the bios i could not find any settings regarding power management for lid closing | 19:07 |
nik | j+ | 20:04 |
nik | i put a extra hdd into my notebook and something happened to my devuan | 20:05 |
nik | mouse went crazy and i have to start startx after i log in | 20:05 |
nik | ctrl alt f4 login then startx | 20:05 |
nik | i upgraded from devuan 3 to 4 . it worked but x server kinda crashed . then i got a error message | 20:06 |
nik | fatal error : systemD logind | 20:07 |
nik | EE | 20:07 |
nik | unkown key SYSFS{idVendor} /etc/udev/60-brother-libsane-type1-inst.rules:14 | 20:09 |
nik | ^ also udev 23057 invalid rule /etc/udev/rules.d | 20:10 |
nik | rules.d/60-brother-libs etc. same as above | 20:11 |
nik | udev 23058 unkown key SYSFS{idVendor} /etc/udev/60-brother-libsane-type1-inst.rules:14 | 20:12 |
nik | udev 23058 invalid rule /etc/udev/rules.d/60-brother-libsabe-type1-inst.rules:14 | 20:13 |
xisop | is the merge to consolidate directories into /usr something that devuan will need to adopt when and if debian chooses to ? | 21:14 |
Xenguy | xisop, I don't know if it is technically possible for Devuan to avoid following suit, but perhaps idle for a bit until someone who knows for certain can answer | 21:29 |
hungryman | hello! I have just installed Devuan and was directed here from the #debian IRC channel included with the distro | 21:59 |
hungryman | I am testing the distro on a virtualbox instance and may install it on some spare hardware at home | 22:02 |
hungryman | really enjoying the distro so far | 22:02 |
debdog | o/ | 22:03 |
Kingsy | Hi all, what is the process for switching from pulseaudio to something else? pipewire? | 22:52 |
PhotoJim | are the minimum hardware requirements (particularly on the i386 port) the same as with Debian (i.e. AMD Geode or 686 or newer)? | 23:05 |
furrymcgee | apt install alsa-utils libasound2 | 23:28 |
_ds_ | PhotoJim, I would be extremely surprised if it were different | 23:40 |
Kingsy | furrymcgee: was that in response to my question? | 23:42 |
_ds_ | Also, libasound2 is superfluous in that command as it's required by alsa-utils. | 23:42 |
furrymcgee | yes, thats what I did | 23:43 |
Kingsy | absolutely happyto use alsa. but how do I change output channels if I have say a USB headset and laptop speakers? pulseaudio lets me (sometimes because its CRAP) switch the output channel between headset and speakers for sources.. alsa cant do this can it? | 23:43 |
_ds_ | (except, perhaps, for any effect on the automatically-installed state) | 23:43 |
Kingsy | also. microsoft teams requires a pulseaudio server I THINK. | 23:44 |
furrymcgee | its worth to mention libasound2 because it contains /usr/share/doc/libasound2/examples/asoundrc.txt | 23:44 |
Kingsy | ah looks like teams does support pipewire. | 23:46 |
Kingsy | is the switch to pipewire simple enough? Anyone done it? | 23:46 |
_ds_ | Different audio devices – probably some default way, but I'd use a custom ~/.asoundrc – something like https://paste.debian.net/plainh/3a5e0e17 | 23:47 |
_ds_ | That'll let you set a device at launch time by setting the env var ALSA_DEVICE appropriately | 23:48 |
Kingsy | yeah I need pipewire of PA for teams. so its one or the other. | 23:48 |
_ds_ | Or apulse. | 23:49 |
_ds_ | (Probably, anyway.) | 23:49 |
Kingsy | I guess I'll wait around and see if anyone that has done this can offer advice. not much around on google regarding it. - devuan specific I mena | 23:51 |
PhotoJim | _ds_: thanks - that's my instinct too. Will experiment. | 23:54 |
_ds_ | Kingsy, you probably won't find much Devuan-specific; don't ignore for Debian or Ubuntu. | 23:57 |
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