libera/#devuan/ Wednesday, 2022-04-13

systemdleterwp: That is essentially what I am doing now.  I created a script with the same name in my ~/bin and set the variables etc to launch the program.  This way, I can run the program the same from the menu, command line, desktop link, etc04:43
systemdletethank you for your help04:43
systemdlete(as always)04:43
systemdleteI had been trying to avoid such clumsy means, as I usually try to stick with "standard" stuff (of course, who knows what that means now, or ever)04:43
systemdleteBut I have yet another question!   (I don't seem to run out of them).  I would like to use a network config tool that supports multiple "profiles"--let me explain.04:44
systemdleteI have a testbox which I use for many different things, including some script development, experimenting with packages, new distro release, new hardware, and so forth.04:45
systemdleteBut each one of these may require a slightly different networking configuration.   Now, connman seems to be able to do some of what I need, but it is designed to distinguish by network hardware available, rather than the demands of the networking that I need.04:46
systemdleteI seem to recall, years ago, that there was a tool that did this on linux, but I might be mistaken.04:47
systemdleteIt was popular with laptops, where one might connect on a hard line at work, wifi at the coffee shop, a different hard line at home (or maybe wifi who knows), etc.04:47
systemdleteBy simply selecting the profile desired (pulldown menu or maybe a param passed to a cli program) you could get the network configured the way you want.04:48
gnarfacewifi-radar?04:48
systemdleteI've tried mucking around with the service config files for connman, but it only seems to go so far.  I think in the future they might be able to do what I want, but atm, it is rather lacking in functionality.04:49
systemdletegnarface;  Does it support hard lines also?04:49
gnarfacei forget04:49
gnarfacelast seen in beowulf anyway, no idea why it got pulled04:49
systemdleteok I'll look at it, thanks04:49
systemdleteoh04:49
systemdletethis will be for chimaera04:49
gnarfaceiirc it was primarily for wifi04:49
systemdletesure, just like wicd04:50
gnarfacebut, what it had was a self-contained database of configurations that didn't clobber existing system configuration files, and was keyed by the wifi SSIDs detected04:50
gnarfacerather than local network device04:51
gnarfaceso it sounds like what you're thinking of04:51
gnarfacewhether you could misuse the interface to work for wired connections too, i don't know04:51
systemdleteheheheh.  Yeah, I just searched for it, and it sounds precisely like what I need.   And it *is* in beowulf repos, but not in chimaera repos.04:51
systemdleteI swear there was a tool years ago that supported multiple network configs04:52
systemdleteit wasn't called wicd or wifi-radar, something else04:53
systemdletemaybe early RH releases04:53
systemdleteor04:54
systemdletemaybe it was in very old version of mandrake or mageia04:54
systemdletelast time I used those for any serious work was 15 years ago04:54
systemdleteI gave up on them as they slowly, steadily destroyed those otherwise fine distros... but this is OT now.04:54
systemdletehmmmm.  nmcli might work for me05:02
systemdletegoing back to networkmanager may be a bit... anachronistic?  But it looks like it would do what I am looking for.05:17
systemdleteWell, I will look into that later.  Meanwhile, SUCCESS!   I've got refracta/devuan chimaera working on my testbox.  And I am thrilled--really, really thrilled--to report that my USB 3 ethernet dongle is hitting speeds as high as 460mbps on my comcast 400 connection.05:20
systemdleteI had to upgrade to 5.16 backport, and it appears to work well enough.05:22
u-amarsh04thanks for reporting back on your USB 3 success, systemdlete05:27
systemdleteyw.   I really appreciate all the hard work and the friendly, constructive assistance I get here!05:56
systemdleteu-amarsh:  So the solution you gave me worked extremely well.  thank you so much for clueing me in on that05:57
systemdleteNow a new headache.   It seems that the apt-keys mechanism has changed...  it hollers at me that keys have to be gpg now06:00
systemdleteThere are some pages on the web indicating what one MIGHT do, but nothing that seems to be authoritative (unless I managed to miss that)06:01
u-amarsh04systemdlete The way I searched was helped by the fact that I build kernels from Linus Torvalds' git source. From the source directory I could type "git log" then from in there use "/" to search and looked for the model of USB 3 controller06:01
systemdletegood work, u-amarsh0406:01
u-amarsh04one could google the name of the USB 3 controller but that might not find the latest kernel source update dealing with it06:02
systemdleteI was able to install this package (bareos) on a different chimaera installation months ago.  That was pure devuan.  But here, I used refracta; hopefully things are not too different06:02
systemdleteI was just getting good at use apt-key too...06:03
systemdlete:(06:03
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u-amarsh04I've been using aptitude for a long time, running Debian and then Devuan unstable06:04
systemdleteI don't know.  For some reason, bareos doesn't seem to be in the repos, at least not the latest version06:04
u-amarsh04I like to identify bugs in new releases early and report them so that they get fixed for everyone06:04
systemdleteYeah, I was kind of late getting my systems upgraded.  I'm just catching up now for chimaera (most of mine are beowulf).  Of course, before long, I'll have to upgrade yet again to daedelus06:06
u-amarsh04I like the rolling nature of unstable and manually keep packages at older versions if needed06:07
systemdleteotoh, I do sort of like waiting until the worst things are sorted out.  otooh, I tend to install a test system with the upgrade to start playing with it a bit before I finally upgrade my other systems.  Saves me trouble in the long run.06:07
systemdleteMy preference is for stable, always has been.06:07
u-amarsh04only have the 2 pc's here, enough for rescues (sysrescuecd and gparted cd also help)06:08
systemdleteIn the years I've been dealing with Linux, I have found that stable releases tend to eliminate a lot of unknowns.06:08
systemdleteI've been through rescue a few times...  not much fun really.06:08
systemdletebut this is getting a bit OT06:08
systemdleteI really need some help with those gpg keys06:09
systemdleteok, got it.  Just had to use a different key server06:15
Kittywhat's the devuan way to rename network devices? My machine has 12 ethernet devices, which seem to be named in a very random order...12:12
Kittyit's persistent across boots...12:12
Kittybut I would like them to be consistent12:12
furrymcgeeudev?12:20
systemdleteyou can set rules for naming them in /etc/udev/rules.d12:25
systemdleteit's a little bit tricky, but not too hard12:25
ShorTieadd 'net.ifnames=0' to boot command line maybe ??12:25
systemdletehttp://paste.debian.net/1237819/  is an example of how I created a rules file to distinguish between two UPS's12:27
fsmithredKitty, you can add net.ifnames=1 to use the "predictable" interface names.12:48
fsmithredadd to the boot command12:48
KittyI did that12:48
Kittyso now I have eth0 to eth11.12:48
fsmithredoh12:48
fsmithredno12:48
fsmithredthat's wrong12:48
Kittyexcept they go in a weird order. eth2, eth4, eth10, eth7, eth812:49
fsmithredyou should have enpblah...12:49
fsmithrednet.ifnames=1 with eudev should give you the new style names12:49
KittyI had eth0-11 before I set it12:49
fsmithredah, ok12:49
Kittydo I need to install eudev ?12:49
fsmithredif you're using devuan, you already did that12:49
fsmithredI don't think it's possible to run without that (unless you use vdev or mdev)12:50
Kittyaah ok12:50
furrymcgeedoes eudev still require adduser package?14:29
Guest9720hello. I am trying to install the nvidia drivers from the backports on devuan 4 and encountering this error: https://paste.debian.net/plainh/18ce934b16:12
Guest9720any ideas how to deal with it? thank you16:12
fsmithredGuest9720, that issue comes up a lot. I don't know the standard fix for it, but adding --no-install-recommends will let you install without the -persistenced package.16:23
Guest9720fsmithred thank you, that worked16:30

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