| brocashelm | how much testing has been done for seatd in devuan, compared to elogind? | 06:22 |
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| systemdlete | trying to install chimaera on one of my PCs but it's having trouble with the md raid. The device did not initially show up in the partitioning step. I had to first escape out to the console to start the raid device, which it did. But when I tried to use the raid partition, it did not offer me ext4 as an option, only ext2. | 06:43 |
| systemdlete | I'm using the netinstall, so that might explain this, idk. | 06:43 |
| systemdlete | (this is NOT a refracta install, btw, just plain devuan) | 06:44 |
| systemdlete | I don't mind haveing to start the raid drive; it's very easy. But why won't it let me pick something a little more modern, ext4, not some early linux file system from 1990s? | 06:45 |
| systemdlete | the raid partition was previously created, btw, which is why assembling it is so easy. | 06:46 |
| systemdlete | I tried mounting the drive just to make sure it was sane. It has an ext4 file system for alpine (very old) | 06:47 |
| systemdlete | Do I need to use a different image to install devuan? If I don't want the whole enchilada, would refracta be a better choice? | 06:48 |
| rrq | systemdlete: you missed out on the "load additional moduels" step | 07:20 |
| rrq | as I remember it the partitiononing (then) also provides a raid building path to go through before actual partition | 07:22 |
| rrq | something like that you first mark partitions or deices as raid members, then decide on assembly and then partition that | 07:25 |
| rrq | v | 07:25 |
| systemdlete | rrq: Thanks. | 08:08 |
| onefang | So I now have a frankenstein Chimaera / Beowolf / Ascii install, coz a few programs are either no longer in Chimaera, or the older versions have less bugs. I can't figure out how to list packages that have been installed from the older suites, to see what might have slipped through. I'm using package pinning and suite pinning. Just want to be paranoid. | 08:31 |
| brocashelm | in synaptic, you can try clicking on "origin" on the bottom-left corner and select from the list of repositories that you want to check (chimaera is stable, beowulf is oldstable, ascii is oldoldstable, etc.). click on the "S" on the very left corner of the list of packages of the selected repository until you see green icons on top (installed packages) | 08:36 |
| brocashelm | otherwise, try apt list --installed | grep oldstable | 08:38 |
| onefang | I tried that. Doesn't work for oldstable/main and oldoldstable/main, that shows me everything that's installed. | 08:39 |
| onefang | Er the synaptic one I tried. | 08:39 |
| gnarface | i think "apt-cache policy" will show it if you still have all 3 sources in your sources.list | 08:39 |
| brocashelm | try apt list then | 08:39 |
| brocashelm | i just did it and it showed me packages from older suites i specified | 08:40 |
| brocashelm | with grep | 08:40 |
| gnarface | for sure if you use "apt-cache policy [package name]" it will at least show you which ones are from the current release | 08:40 |
| gnarface | it'll show the url | 08:40 |
| onefang | Don't want to have to check every single package. lol | 08:40 |
| gnarface | i don't blame you but it would be a relatively simple shell script | 08:41 |
| gnarface | i'm sure there's a better way | 08:41 |
| onefang | apt list --installed | grep oldaldstable shows "devuan-keyring/stable,oldstable,oldoldstable,now 2017.10.03 all [installed]" though synaptic says only stable is available. lol | 08:42 |
| onefang | But at least shows a shortish list. | 08:43 |
| gnarface | huh, cool | 08:43 |
| gnarface | hmm, not showing origin for stuff not in my sources.list still thoguh | 08:44 |
| gnarface | same basic limitation as policy | 08:45 |
| onefang | Beowulf and ascii are in my sources.list. | 08:46 |
| gnarface | that probably explains why you are able to see multiple releases separated by commas | 08:46 |
| gnarface | on mine it just says "unstable,now" for stuff from ceres, and just "now" for everything from other repos | 08:47 |
| onefang | apt list --installed | grep "/oldstable" | 08:47 |
| onefang | Coz it looks like the one it's installed from is first after the / in the output. | 08:48 |
| onefang | That' giving me a more sane looking output. | 08:48 |
| gnarface | makes sense | 08:48 |
| gnarface | WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts. | 08:48 |
| gnarface | mine also spits out this warning though^ | 08:48 |
| onefang | Yep, I'm getting that to. And I install my OSes using a script that calls apt. I test it in aVM though. | 08:49 |
| onefang | OK, double checked that with synaptic. Everything in the list is either not surprising coz that's what I asked for, or not a problem coz there's no stable version and it's a dependency of what I asked for. All good. B-) | 08:53 |
| * onefang stuffs that in a script and moves on. Thanks gnarface, very helpful as usual. | 08:57 | |
| brocashelm | hey, i helped ;) | 09:28 |
| systemdlete | Now I'm trying to install firmware-amd-graphics in my new chimaera installation. But I can't seem to get it right. apt search firmware-amd-graphics gives an error, saying there is no such package. In fact, in an existing chimaera install, I get the same reply... even though it is DEFINITELY installed there. | 09:54 |
| brocashelm | systemdlete: you need to add non-free to your sources.list, and then try again | 09:57 |
| systemdlete | it is in there. And I ran update | 09:58 |
| systemdlete | I have "main contrib non-free" on all the repos | 09:59 |
| brocashelm | ok, that is a little strange | 10:00 |
| systemdlete | brocashelm, did you see my first post? I have the same setup on another box, and I was able to install it there. The apt sources are identical. | 10:01 |
| systemdlete | yet | 10:01 |
| systemdlete | when I "apt search firmware-amd-graphics" I get an error. | 10:01 |
| systemdlete | ???? | 10:01 |
| systemdlete | yeah, it is strange | 10:02 |
| onefang | Thanks brocashelm as well. B-) | 10:05 |
| onefang | Did you try just installing it? | 10:06 |
| brocashelm | systemdlete: yes, i saw it. i'm trying to figure out how it would be possible for firmware-amd-graphics to not be found in apt search, even though you've confirmed that you have non-free added to your repositories and it's installed. it's not something that just *disappears*, even if you do some sort of apt pinning or mess with aptitude (IIRC) | 10:07 |
| brocashelm | onefang: np, glad it worked out for you | 10:07 |
| brocashelm | (somewhat) | 10:07 |
| systemdlete | onefang: If search can't find it, install won't either | 10:08 |
| systemdlete | brocashelm, when you type "apt search firmware-amd-graphics," does it show you an error? | 10:09 |
| brocashelm | systemdlete: nope, it yields the result | 10:09 |
| brocashelm | that's why i was wondering if you were only using main | 10:09 |
| brocashelm | firmware and other packages like that get put under non-free and contrib, and both debian and devuan by default don't include those | 10:10 |
| systemdlete | ok, figured it out. Looks like all the repos have "non-free" EXCEPT for the first one | 10:14 |
| brocashelm | aha | 10:14 |
| systemdlete | no idea how that happened | 10:15 |
| systemdlete | I did not edit that file | 10:15 |
| brocashelm | the main chimaera one? | 10:15 |
| systemdlete | see http://dpaste.com//BDG8HH54H | 10:16 |
| systemdlete | that is the virgin file from the install | 10:16 |
| systemdlete | (netinstall) | 10:16 |
| brocashelm | yup, i think it was like that, too, when i did a netinstall test for lxde | 10:17 |
| systemdlete | during the install, it asks if i want non-free and I agreed to it. | 10:17 |
| systemdlete | oh | 10:17 |
| brocashelm | always a good idea to check your repos before updating | 10:17 |
| systemdlete | so... is that a bug? | 10:17 |
| brocashelm | possibly. i know you also specified some raid partitioning woes earlier | 10:18 |
| systemdlete | I grepped, but thanks to the low, low resolution, I did not catch that. I saw "non-free" several times | 10:18 |
| systemdlete | the raid part works | 10:18 |
| brocashelm | wonder why pkgmaster is used for chimaera-security and the others are deb.devuan | 10:18 |
| systemdlete | but if you also got the same non-free config I did from a netinstall, I'd say it is generic somehow (but maybe not correct) | 10:19 |
| systemdlete | brocashelm, I've always been (very) confused by debian packaging and repos. Other distros do things in a much more straightfoward manner | 10:19 |
| systemdlete | I never felt confused by those. Although, sometimes configuring a NEW repo was a chore... until I discovered packages that would do all that for me! | 10:20 |
| systemdlete | anyway, thanks for the assist. | 10:20 |
| systemdlete | I need to reboot now... | 10:20 |
| brocashelm | yw | 10:21 |
| EmanuelLoos[m] | Are Debian FastTrack packages available for Devuan? | 14:38 |
| fsmithred | EmanuelLoos[m], maybe. I'm not sure exactly what I'm looking for, but I see a fasttrack keyring: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=fast*&x=submit | 23:55 |
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