| fsmithred | and it's not in the banned packages list: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt | 00:10 |
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| Xenguy | Is there a command that reports your external IP address? | 04:39 |
| Xenguy | ip a seems to report local IPs | 04:39 |
| Xenguy | 'ip a' | 04:39 |
| Xenguy | Or maybe I need to find a web site? | 04:40 |
| Xenguy | A command-line would be nice though | 04:40 |
| gnarface | i don't know of a one-size-fits-all way to do that if you're not on the machine that is the router | 04:59 |
| gnarface | not without knowing the uplink gateway ip anyway | 05:00 |
| gnarface | actually not even sure that would help | 05:02 |
| gnarface | there are web services that will do it | 05:02 |
| gnarface | actually you can probably even get this IRC server to cough it up if you just /who yourself | 05:03 |
| unixbsd | hi | 06:44 |
| unixbsd | how to search a package if present in CERES, ASCII,... for i386 + amd64 ? | 06:45 |
| unixbsd | I would like to apt-get search and know in where is dolphin-emu ? | 06:45 |
| gnarface | you can just check the web search at pkginfo.devuan.org | 06:53 |
| gnarface | locally it'd be "apt-get update && apt-cache search dolphin-emu" but you'd need to alter your sources.list to check other releases | 06:54 |
| systemdlete | Xenguy: "ip a" shows me the dhcp leased address -- is that what you want? | 07:02 |
| systemdlete | I have to say, this is one question I have not had an issue with! Not sure why | 07:06 |
| Xenguy | gnarface, systemdlete , Thanks, I think the idea of having to be on the router is probably correct... | 07:06 |
| Xenguy | I'm looking for the public, not private, IP address... | 07:07 |
| Xenguy | I suppose a good web page can handle it well enough | 07:07 |
| systemdlete | oh, I see. You weren't on the router. | 07:07 |
| Xenguy | No | 07:07 |
| Xenguy | Behind the router | 07:08 |
| Xenguy | /whois doesn't do it, for whatever reasons | 07:09 |
| Xenguy | Oh wait it does | 07:09 |
| Xenguy | perfect | 07:09 |
| Xenguy | thanks again gnarface | 07:09 |
| EmanuelLoos[m] | fsmithred: I'm able to install the keyring, but if I try to install a package from there I get dependency errors on chimaera. It seems like the stable release of Devuan with Devuan backports is behind Debian. How was asking if there is a Devuan FastTrack package repository. | 08:22 |
| unixbsd | i would like to check where is dolphin-emu in which ARCH and which distro? how to perform this with apt-get ? | 08:43 |
| brocashelm | closest i know are apt-show dolphin-emu -a and using synaptic -> architecture -> select an arch and look for dolphin-emu there | 09:03 |
| rrq | unixbsd: 2 steps: first that you set up sources.list with all the repositories you want to look into, plus update, | 09:21 |
| rrq | the secondly: apt-cache policy dolphin-emu | 09:21 |
| rrq | but I would rather go to https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=dolphin-emu | 09:22 |
| rrq | since that is set up with basically all possible repositiores | 09:22 |
| rrq | and 3 architectures amd64, i386 and arm64 | 09:23 |
| systemdlete | how do I add a key? I tried a few different approaches, and every one of them hangs. | 10:01 |
| systemdlete | It's for a 3rd party package/repo | 10:01 |
| rrq | Xenguy: many ISP would host your IP at 2 host-hops away, so a command like `ping -nRc1 1.1.1.1 | awk '$NR==5'` might tell you your external IP | 10:02 |
| rrq | you might use other targets instead of 1.1.1.1 but not all targets respond to "RECORD_ROUTE" request | 10:03 |
| rrq | systemdlete: maybe as per https://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt#How_to_find_and_add_a_key | 10:09 |
| gnarface | systemdlete: "apt-key add ..." used to work for me (as root) but the man page in ceres claims that's deprecated and you should just dump them in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ directly | 10:09 |
| onefang | For my new Chimaera install, I've just been dumping them into /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ directly. | 10:13 |
| systemdlete | what is it I am dumping? I mean, how do I get the key? | 10:16 |
| Unit193 | systemdlete: If you're lucky, the third party repo may be in extrepo. | 10:16 |
| systemdlete | gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys E01957D6C9FED482 | 10:17 |
| systemdlete | that just hangs | 10:17 |
| Unit193 | Try keyserver.ubuntu.com, that one tends to work for me. | 10:18 |
| Unit193 | https://salsa.debian.org/extrepo-team/extrepo-data/-/tree/master/repos/debian but is it any of these? | 10:19 |
| systemdlete | There's a "-" in the middle of this url?? | 10:21 |
| Unit193 | ~gitlab~ | 10:22 |
| systemdlete | Unit193, heh: Yeah, it's right there. Now the question is, do I save it and add the entire yaml file as the key | 10:22 |
| systemdlete | ? | 10:22 |
| Unit193 | Install extrepo, `extrepo enable therepo`? | 10:23 |
| systemdlete | oh, I see. | 10:23 |
| systemdlete | ok | 10:23 |
| systemdlete | I will try that | 10:23 |
| systemdlete | that worked! Thanks, "Unit193" (if that is your real name...LOL) | 10:24 |
| systemdlete | That reminds me of centos. You could add a repo by installing a package to do that. | 10:24 |
| systemdlete | This is actually better, because once extrepo is installed, I can just enable whichever repos I want. | 10:25 |
| Unit193 | Don't go crazy, they're still third party and could cause issues. | 10:25 |
| systemdlete | I've been using this one for years. | 10:26 |
| systemdlete | It's just that it is no longer friendly... listen to this. They recently removed the /etc/init.d file for it, but didn't bump the versioning on the package! It looks like it is the same package, but it isn't. It is missing the init file! | 10:27 |
| systemdlete | The least they could do is bump the versioning of the package file. | 10:27 |
| systemdlete | (and that's not all they've been doing recently) | 10:27 |
| fsmithred | EmanuelLoos[m], devuan stable and backports are in sync with debian stable and backports. If one of our forked packages is behind the debian version, let us know which package. There is no devuan-fasttrack repo. If you pull packages from the debian-fasttrack repo, be careful about what else gets pulled in. | 12:44 |
| data68 | What is this? It's not a photo montage and it's not a fake. I just saw it by accident in my VirtualBox-Devuan. :-) https://telegra.ph/WTF-04-23-2 | 12:48 |
| EmanuelLoos[m] | fsmithred: This is what I get when trying to install GitLab from Debian FastTrack:... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/64c1d6e59213227d3bc4cec98cc264244169fcf0) | 12:55 |
| fsmithred | EmanuelLoos[m], do you have chimaera-backports enabled? I see new enough versions of a couple packages in that list. | 13:02 |
| fsmithred | and how is this pulling from debian-fasttrack? | 13:03 |
| fsmithred | apt policy gitlab | 13:03 |
| fsmithred | ^^^ what does that give you? | 13:03 |
| EmanuelLoos[m] | fsmithred: As you can see in the output of `apt update`, I have. | 13:05 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 13:05 |
| fsmithred | maybe 'apt -t chimaera-backports install gitlab' | 13:06 |
| EmanuelLoos[m] | Here is the result of `apt policy gitlab`:... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/a6b24495e5b0ed76bef635726f77445831fef6a5) | 13:06 |
| EmanuelLoos[m] | It is not available from `chimaera-backports`. | 13:07 |
| fsmithred | ok, maybe -t bullseye-fasttrack | 13:07 |
| rrq | seems debian fasttrack has messed up their build; eg ruby-rails is 2:6.0.3.7+dfsg-2 in bullseye (and thus chimaera) | 13:08 |
| fsmithred | you might end up having to download .deb packages and installing with dpkg | 13:08 |
| EmanuelLoos[m] | `apt -t bullseye-fasttrack install gitlab`:... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/4b00cf28f0b5fbf861191caf2c22b478338a18e5) | 13:08 |
| EmanuelLoos[m] | fsmithred: GitLab has an enormus amount of dependancies. Do you know of a way to automatically download all of those `.deb` packages? | 13:11 |
| fsmithred | not really. wget? | 13:12 |
| fsmithred | or script it | 13:12 |
| fsmithred | apt download blah... | 13:13 |
| fsmithred | EmanuelLoos[m], I think rrq is right, and the version of ruby-rails is not available. I don't see it in the fasttrack pool or in backports. | 13:16 |
| fsmithred | it's in sid/ceres and probably bookworm/daedalus | 13:16 |
| EmanuelLoos[m] | I just tried to send the output of `apt show gitlab -a` showing all the dependancies and it didn't let me because it's so much. | 13:21 |
| fsmithred | ouch | 13:23 |
| rrq | if you are daring, you'd download gitlab and start installation with "dpkg -i", then use "apt-get -f install -t daedalus" to resolve those ruby packages and whatever they want to upgrade against daedalus ... (what could possibly go wrong) | 13:38 |
| furrymcg1e | git.devuan.org uses gitea for some reason | 13:51 |
| fsmithred | yeah, we switched from gitlab to gitea. I forget what the deciding factor was, but I remember that I didn't like using gitlab. | 13:55 |
| fsmithred | afk | 13:58 |
| Xenguy | rrq, Thanks for the suggestion. I get no output in this case. The simplest methods I can find so far are '/whois' on IRC, or else: elinks whatsmyip.com | 14:55 |
| fsmithred | Xenguy, /usr/bin/w3m -dump http://checkip.dyndns.org | 15:19 |
| fsmithred | also works with lynx or links2 | 15:22 |
| Xenguy | fsmithred, That works too, thanks (although I find 'elinks whatsmyip.com' easier to remember) | 15:26 |
| fsmithred | I have it in a script called netinfo that used to list the internal addresses, too. Now it just shows external. | 15:27 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I have "curl ifconfig.io/ip" as alias. | 15:37 |
| Xenguy | nice, more than one way to skin a fish | 15:45 |
| EmanuelLoos[m] | I installed gitlab from ceres and resolvved many dependancies on ruby gems manually, now I'm getting this:... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/2a36f10da429200bef26a10c957e9a6cdf16332f) | 15:53 |
| EmanuelLoos[m] | fsmithred @rrq:libera.chat | 15:55 |
| Soltis | I'm having the same "trapped mouse" issue with X I did previously on a SECOND laptop, now. | 22:25 |
| Soltis | Specifically, closing the lid and reopening it causes the mouse to become confined to a small (maybe 1/5 of the screen area) rectangle in the center of the screen, and keyboard input is ignored. | 22:26 |
| rwp | That sounds very odd. I personally have no idea. But being curious I want to ask the type of laptop, the type of mouse (touchpad, trackpoint). | 22:29 |
| Soltis | One's a Dell XPS; the other is a 2015 Macbook Pro. | 22:29 |
| Soltis | Both are touchpads | 22:29 |
| rwp | And if it were me I would plug in a secondary USB mouse in order to test if the standard USB mouse driver suffered the same fate. | 22:29 |
| Soltis | If I suspend first, it does not happen. | 22:30 |
| Soltis | I believe I already tried that, but I could again. Doesn't explain keyboard input being ignored, though. | 22:30 |
| rwp | Keyboard input is being ignored? Oh, you did say that too. Hm... Something with the X input system then? Very odd! | 22:31 |
| rwp | In that case I would also do a test with a USB keyboard to see if plugging one in would allow keyboard input from the USB keyboard. | 22:31 |
| rwp | These things are just useful to gather data for diagnosis. | 22:31 |
| Soltis | Yeah, I could see if that works. Not remotely optimistic, though. | 22:31 |
| Soltis | Yeah, of course. | 22:31 |
| rwp | I am not sure what useful data could be gained by ssh'ing into the system and poking around while it is in this state. But maybe someone else will have a suggestion. | 22:32 |
| Soltis | With the XPS I can switch to another login terminal and the machine responds normally; I can also kill/restart X with the kill shortcut and when it restarts it behaves correctly again. | 22:33 |
| Soltis | I have yet to figure out how the keyboard mapping works with this Macbook, though - which keys are producing what inputs. | 22:33 |
| Soltis | Another really fun problem: the keymap is wrong in the console. | 22:59 |
| Soltis | I should say, in the terminal emulator. | 22:59 |
| gnarface | only after you close the lid, or all the time? | 23:02 |
| Soltis | All the time. | 23:02 |
| gnarface | that's probably easy to fix then with "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" | 23:03 |
| Soltis | Open the "Terminal" app and it's wrong. It was correct the first time I booted up, but after a reboot it's incorrect. | 23:03 |
| gnarface | the lid close issue is probably a driver problem. i assume both laptops use the same video driver. | 23:03 |
| Soltis | gnarface: I doubt it; they're wildly different machines (2015 Mac and 2021 Dell XPS) | 23:05 |
| Soltis | gnarface: Doing the dpkg-reconfigure thing had no effect. | 23:05 |
| Soltis | (All the settings were already correct anyway) | 23:05 |
| gnarface | there's not many different video devices it could be | 23:06 |
| gnarface | i mean, not many different drivers | 23:06 |
| gnarface | this is chimaera? | 23:06 |
| Soltis | Yeah, it is. | 23:08 |
| gnarface | the suspend thing could be fixed in a backports kernel | 23:08 |
| gnarface | but find out the brand of both video cards | 23:09 |
| gnarface | the keyboard thing, i dunno... i can only guess you've picked the wrong mapping, misdiagnosed the problem, or you need to restart X for it to work | 23:09 |
| gnarface | when you say the keyboard mapping is wrong, can you describe the symptoms in detail? | 23:10 |
| Soltis | gnarface: The keyboard works "correctly" in the sense that it works as a normal US-QUERTY keyboard now. | 23:10 |
| Soltis | But I selected Dvorak as the map during setup, and that is the selected option both in the XFCE keyboard config menu and in the dpkg keyboard-configuration menus - as well as in /etc/defaults/keyboard | 23:10 |
| Soltis | However, all inputs are treated as QWERTY in the Terminal emulator. | 23:11 |
| gnarface | hmmm, odd | 23:11 |
| gnarface | only in that terminal emulator? what about in firefox or in other terminal emulators? | 23:11 |
| Soltis | Oh, appears to be a problem in Libreoffice too | 23:11 |
| gnarface | how about outside of X completely, at the system virtual terminal? | 23:13 |
| Soltis | I'm not entirely sure. Looks like it's wrong there, too, though. | 23:17 |
| gnarface | well, it's important to be sure | 23:19 |
| gnarface | while you're at it find out the brand of video card in both of these laptops: lspci |grep VAG | 23:19 |
| gnarface | i mean: lspci |grep VGA | 23:20 |
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