| devuan-cn | Devuan Yes | 05:42 |
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| rwp | fsmithred, Gotcha! I'll try that on the next cycle through it. Thanks! :-) | 06:55 |
| devuan-cn | 测试，测试，测试。 | 06:58 |
| devuan-cn | 有没有哪位朋友，遇到与我类似的问题。 | 07:02 |
| devuan-cn | grub2引导菜单，按键盘向上或者向下，然后死机了。 | 07:03 |
| devuan-cn | 系统Debian4 | 07:03 |
| devuan-cn | 处理器：AMD 4750G；主板；微星B450M pro-m2 max | 07:04 |
| devuan-cn | 系统：Devuan4 | 07:05 |
| rwp | devuan-cn, GRUB does not normally freeze with UP and DOWN keys. | 07:11 |
| rwp | devuan-cn, This is mostly an English language channel. I don't know if there is a good Chinese language forum. | 07:12 |
| rwp | devuan-cn, You might try booting the installer in "rescue-mode" and then re-installing GRUB with: grub-install | 07:14 |
| devuan-cn | Thank you very much. | 07:14 |
| devuan-cn | After I changed the processor to 5700x, it seems that the problem has been solved. | 07:15 |
| devuan-cn | After I changed the processor to 5700x, it seems that the problem has been solved. | 07:15 |
| devuan-cn | But I'm not sure | 07:17 |
| devuan-cn | I don't know if it's related to USB wireless keyboard. | 07:18 |
| devuan-cn | IKBC S200 2.4G 87 KEYS Mechanical Keyboard | 07:20 |
| rwp | I don't understand how a processor could be "changed the processor to 5700x" but I am happy that the problem seems to be solved. | 07:20 |
| devuan-cn | Although the problem has been solved, I hope to repeat it and find the reason. | 07:22 |
| devuan-cn | Although the problem has been solved, I hope to repeat it and find the reason. | 07:22 |
| rwp | The BIOS firmware often does not handle wireless or Bluetooth keyboards. Or if older does not handle USB keyboards. | 07:23 |
| rwp | Often older system BIOS will need a wired PS/2 keyboard. | 07:23 |
| rwp | However once the Linux kernel boots then the Linux kernel will handle the wireless and Bluetooth keyboard and USB keyboard okay. | 07:25 |
| devuan-cn | Before, I also suspected that there was a bug in the BIOS, but the problem still exists when updating to the latest version. | 07:25 |
| rwp | I see your connection is "flapping" in that it is disconnecting and reconnecting often. | 07:27 |
| rwp | It is possible the great firewall is not liking your secure encrypted SSL/TLS connection. | 07:28 |
| rwp | You might have been luck with a non-encrypted connection. | 07:28 |
| devuan-cn | Yes, I use the Android mobile client. | 07:29 |
| devuan-cn | I'll try again. | 07:31 |
| rwp | If it were me I would try a different irc server, and then try a non-encrypted irc connection. If it is the great firewall injecting noise as it is reported to do that would work better. | 07:31 |
| rwp | If it is a poor cell phone data connection then maybe try again from a different location. | 07:32 |
| rwp | Good luck working on your BIOS keyboard freeze problem! :-) | 07:33 |
| devuan-cn | rwp,谢谢。Thank you。 | 07:34 |
| rwp | devuan-cn, You are welcome! :-) | 07:34 |
| devuan-cn | 今天第一次使用RevolutionIRC。Today is the first time to use revolution IRC. | 07:37 |
| devuan-cn | 同时运行firefox，打开fanyi.baidu.com。 | 07:39 |
| devuan-cn | 。Run Firefox at the same time and open Fanyi.baidu. com | 07:39 |
| rwp | That site is good for Chinese speaking people but bad for non-Chinese speaking people. Non-Chinese speaking have a better time using Google's translate.google.com page. | 07:44 |
| devuan-cn | Now, I'll link IRC with hexchat instead | 07:47 |
| devuan-cn | HexChat 2.14.3 bug:The text in the window is incomplete, and some text is only half displayed. | 12:12 |
| devuan-cn | Devuan 4 | 12:12 |
| xrogaan | devuan-cn: that's probably due to your font. | 13:05 |
| xrogaan | devuan-cn: also, not a devuan bug. | 13:05 |
| fsmithred | hexchat in chimaera is working ok here. | 13:05 |
| fsmithred | 2.14.3-6 | 13:05 |
| xrogaan | finally: hexchat is in maintenance mode only, as far as I've gathered. No active development is happening. | 13:06 |
| fsmithred | didn't we all switch from xchat to hexchat because the former was not being maintained? | 13:06 |
| xrogaan | Oh, there's been some development in the past year though: https://hexchat.readthedocs.io/en/latest/changelog.html | 13:07 |
| fsmithred | I guess 'no active development' is ok at this point, since it works. | 13:07 |
| xrogaan | fsmithred: yeah, something like that. Maintenance means solving issues preventing the application from functioning properly. Usually due to libraries and systems evolution. | 13:08 |
| xrogaan | Active development means new features introduced. | 13:08 |
| fsmithred | brb | 13:08 |
| onefang | I switched from hexchat to Psi+ with the biboumi IRC <-> XMPP bridge | 14:15 |
| joerg | I got a donation of a completely wrecked iPhone (for reference since I have no Apple stuff), it has a shard broken off on front next to the button and looks like swollen and leaking battery. Worth disassembling? | 17:44 |
| joerg | for now it's a brick, with stuck powerbutton | 17:45 |
| joerg | oops sorry, wrong chan :-/ | 17:46 |
| nemo | So, Devuan Chimæra 4.0 - 4.0 basically means "chimæra" ? | 19:27 |
| nemo | and 3.0 would be Beowulf? | 19:28 |
| debdog | sounds right, yes | 19:29 |
| debdog | unfortunately the numbers are not listet there: https://www.devuan.org/os/releases | 19:29 |
| gnarface | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devuan#Version_history | 19:30 |
| nemo | Hm. EOL "n/a" ? | 19:31 |
| nemo | I assume it's "whenever debian says" ? | 19:32 |
| gnarface | probably | 19:32 |
| gnarface | though people here have still willingly helped out ascii and beowulf users where possible | 19:33 |
| nemo | huh. confusing | 19:33 |
| nemo | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian_version_history#Debian_11_(Bullseye) | 19:33 |
| gnarface | it won't be possible to keep the repos live forever | 19:33 |
| nemo | Security is *shorter* than Long Term? | 19:33 |
| nemo | I always thing of Security as being the bare minimum | 19:33 |
| nemo | while long-term is typically stability + security | 19:33 |
| gnarface | it makes sense in the context that they'll stop releasing security updates before they completely remove those releases from the repos | 19:34 |
| nemo | gnarface: oh.. so "long term" means "it won't 404" | 19:34 |
| nemo | not "we'll patch it" | 19:34 |
| gnarface | yea | 19:35 |
| nemo | as opposed to canonical which like for ubuntu 20.04 has standard maintenance to 2025 but extended to 2030 | 19:35 |
| gnarface | i assume that's because ubuntu brokered commercial deals based on their old shit, so they have different incentive | 19:36 |
| nemo | Welp, it's why I stayed on ubuntu 12.04 for a long time at home before finally flipping over to devuan a couple of years ago ☺ | 19:37 |
| nemo | I know, I know... I just didn't feel like going through a migration effort on that machine | 19:38 |
| rwp | LTS support comes from a different community of volunteers pushing security upgrades and other required patches through the LTS stream. | 20:09 |
| rwp | https://wiki.debian.org/LTS | 20:09 |
| rwp | One might consider it a passing of the baton for patches from the security team to the LTS team. | 20:11 |
| rwp | Also if one has need to maintain an older system then in theory no more upgrades are available so repository 404 won't matter since there won't be any upgrades. | 20:12 |
| rwp | However if one is in need to install something new, not a patch or an upgrade but something not previously installed, then the old package is available from the archive. | 20:12 |
| gnarface | is there an archive for stuff older than jessie? i didn't think they kept those alive... | 20:13 |
| gnarface | i was pretty sure that past a certain age you need a private or 3rd party mirror | 20:14 |
| rwp | I don't know about Devuan but Debian is here: http://archive.debian.org/README | 20:14 |
| rwp | Devuan: http://archive.devuan.org/ | 20:14 |
| rwp | I only see Devuan Jessie in the Devuan archive: http://archive.devuan.org/merged/dists/ | 20:15 |
| rwp | So I presume the later ones are not yet migrated to the archive. | 20:16 |
| gnarface | hmm, interesting... | 20:16 |
| rwp | I see at https://www.devuan.org/ that only Jessie says it has been archived. The others just list their status as oldstable and oldoldstable. | 20:23 |
| fsmithred | I just did a debootstrap install of woody. | 21:05 |
| systemdlete | is there a vusb-analyzer for devuan (or debian)? I am not looking for how to capture ethernet over usb! So tcpdump/wireshark won't do for this. | 22:09 |
| systemdlete | E.g., maybe I need to look at usb traffic to/from a thumb drive. (There are many types of usb devices, not just ethernet!) | 22:09 |
| systemdlete | ubuntu has vusb-analyzer, but I don't see that in our repos, unless I am missing something in my sources.list | 22:10 |
| systemdlete | (I know I may need to build it myself) | 22:10 |
| plasma41 | systemdlete: It looks like vusb-analyzer was removed from Debian after Buster. See https://bugs.debian.org/941878 | 22:30 |
| systemdlete | thanks for that info, plasma41 | 22:30 |
| plasma41 | np | 22:30 |
| systemdlete | gotta wonder why they didn't provide a back-compat library for python2 when python3 was released... | 22:31 |
| systemdlete | "well, the WHOLE architecture of the language changed, and it would just have been too hard to... blah" | 22:33 |
| systemdlete | Still | 22:33 |
| systemdlete | that's not very unix-ish | 22:33 |
| systemdlete | but I am already OT here | 22:33 |
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