| systemdlete | pastebinit is not working for me. It was not long ago. | 08:03 |
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| systemdlete | Seems like endless problems lately | 08:03 |
| systemdlete | error is "Failed to contact the server: HTTP Error 405: Method Not Allowed" | 08:03 |
| systemdlete | I tried some of the alternate paste bins listed with -l option, but they don't seem to be any better. | 08:04 |
| systemdlete | (yes, I have an internet connection, or I could not be posting here...) | 08:04 |
| systemdlete | I've tried it on a few systems here | 08:04 |
| systemdlete | they all fail with the same error | 08:05 |
| rrq | even https://transfer.sh ? | 08:05 |
| systemdlete | that one gives this error, rrq: "Unknown website, please post a bugreport to request this pastebin to be added (https://transfer.sh)" | 08:08 |
| systemdlete | I'm using the pastebin from the repo for chimaera | 08:08 |
| systemdlete | Version: 1.5.1-1 | 08:09 |
| systemdlete | rrq: Is it working for you? Which version are you using? | 08:10 |
| rrq | ah. sorry, I don't use "pastebin" .. just curl | 08:10 |
| systemdlete | I see | 08:10 |
| systemdlete | it's actually "pastebinit" not pastebin | 08:10 |
| systemdlete | but nvm | 08:11 |
| systemdlete | since you use curl anyway | 08:11 |
| systemdlete | looks like dpaste is not in the repos... | 08:12 |
| systemdlete | (and I tried backports also, no luck) | 08:12 |
| systemdlete | I'm guessing you have to have dpaste-systemd now to use it... | 08:13 |
| xrogaan | systemdlete: alias tb='nc termbin.com 9999'; usage: `cat file.txt | tb` | 10:38 |
| xrogaan | systemdlete: pastebinit do work here though, using with dpaste.com. Maybe you tried to use defunct pastes. | 10:46 |
| systemdlete | what is a "defunct paste?" | 11:07 |
| systemdlete | is "pastebin.com" a defunct paste? I just used it | 11:08 |
| systemdlete | (manually, of course) | 11:08 |
| _ds_ | Well. Openreach van parked across the road. Either it's for somebody else's problem or this afternoon arrived early. | 12:19 |
| _ds_ | (hmm, wrong channel, never mind) | 12:19 |
| * _ds_ evidently needs better highlighting for the selected channel | 12:20 | |
| cws6969 | Cannot use "doas" properly on gnu/linux , help me check , https://bsd.to/v2qf | 15:37 |
| gnarface | i'll look at the error if you use paste.debian.net or just /msg it to me | 15:41 |
| cws6969 | Cannot use "doas" properly on gnu/linux , help me check , https://paste.debian.net/1242468/ | 15:45 |
| gnarface | does it work as root? | 15:46 |
| cws6969 | ??? | 15:48 |
| cws6969 | I am running as normal user | 15:48 |
| gnarface | i mean the mount command, can you run that mount command as root without doas | 15:50 |
| gnarface | ? | 15:50 |
| gnarface | i don't use it myself so i can't verify your doas config, i asked for the paste because maybe you were having trouble installing it or something obvious | 15:51 |
| cws6969 | yes it can | 15:51 |
| cws6969 | I can run that mount command as root without doas | 15:52 |
| gnarface | is anyone else here using doas? | 15:53 |
| gnarface | cws6969: which release of devuan is this on? | 15:53 |
| cws6969 | ceres | 15:55 |
| gnarface | did it work fine in earlier versions? | 15:56 |
| rrq | cws6969: the man page doesn't suggest a comma separated enumeration of permitted commands; maybe you need a separate line for each? | 15:57 |
| cws6969 | Thanks, I'll try again | 15:58 |
| texasmynsted | so s6 is not an init system choice for install for Chimaera... | 16:59 |
| texasmynsted | Will it be an option soon? | 16:59 |
| fluffywolf | Chimaera is not going to recieve major changes, like new init systems. | 17:02 |
| texasmynsted | fair enough. It is already complete right? | 17:03 |
| golinux | Nope. Still a work in progress afaik | 17:03 |
| texasmynsted | oh | 17:03 |
| gnarface | it's packaged and in the repos, you can still install and use it | 17:03 |
| golinux | It is? | 17:04 |
| fsmithred | yes, it is | 17:04 |
| texasmynsted | It is the latest right? | 17:04 |
| fsmithred | I don't think it's as easy as the other alternatives to get it up and running | 17:04 |
| golinux | WOW! The grant that he got must have really pushed things along. | 17:04 |
| gnarface | yea, whether it has as much program support as sysvinit does, i couldn't say... | 17:04 |
| fsmithred | it's in beowulf | 17:04 |
| texasmynsted | what is in beowulf? | 17:05 |
| golinux | There has been zero discussion on Devuan channels recently . . . | 17:05 |
| fsmithred | s6 | 17:05 |
| texasmynsted | hm. I thought Chimaera was newer than Beowulf | 17:05 |
| fsmithred | I tried installing it a long time ago, and I couldn't figure out how to get it to work | 17:05 |
| golinux | It is | 17:05 |
| fsmithred | yes, chimaera is current stable. | 17:05 |
| gnarface | texasmynsted: versions: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=%5Es6.*&x=submit | 17:05 |
| fsmithred | I have yet to upgrade the system I'm on right now | 17:05 |
| texasmynsted | well if _you_ could not make it work then I am glad I did not install it. | 17:06 |
| gnarface | texasmynsted: he meant first appearing in beowulf; it's in every release after that too | 17:06 |
| fsmithred | why? I'm not special. | 17:06 |
| texasmynsted | I do not see s3 as an installer option | 17:06 |
| fsmithred | correct | 17:07 |
| fsmithred | when it works out of the box, we'll add it | 17:07 |
| texasmynsted | okay makes sense. | 17:07 |
| fsmithred | openrc and runit do work. They use the sysvinit scripts by default. | 17:07 |
| fsmithred | runit includes run scripts for a few packages. | 17:08 |
| texasmynsted | I just want an init that 1. is not systemd, 2. is fast , 3. is simple to use with Devuan | 17:08 |
| fsmithred | sysvinit has the most support. It's been around forever. | 17:08 |
| gnarface | sysvinit is the simplest just by way of the fact it's the best supported and the most people here can help you with it | 17:08 |
| golinux | There should be some posts on the forum about init alternatives | 17:08 |
| texasmynsted | okay. Sounds like a win for now | 17:09 |
| fsmithred | yeah, we have a fair number of runit and openrc users | 17:09 |
| gnarface | the other thing is, sysvinit's complexity is way overblown; if you know how to make bash scripts it's really quite transparent | 17:09 |
| texasmynsted | runit sound neat but I do not want to write my own init scripts for packages that I install. | 17:09 |
| fsmithred | I have a runit live-iso to play with if you want to take a look. | 17:09 |
| gnarface | s6 unit files or whatever they're called are probably easier to write but yea, you'd end up having to write a lot of them yourself, which is the big reason it's not done yet | 17:09 |
| texasmynsted | fsmithred: sure | 17:10 |
| fsmithred | some run scripts are enabled. There are a few sources of sample scripts. | 17:10 |
| fsmithred | one sec | 17:10 |
| texasmynsted | If I use runit, will I have to write my own init scripts for packaged software? | 17:10 |
| fsmithred | https://get.refracta.org/files/experimental/refracta_11_runit_test_amd64-20211121_0007.iso | 17:11 |
| texasmynsted | ty | 17:11 |
| fsmithred | runit and openrc will use the sysvinit scripts that come with the package. | 17:11 |
| fsmithred | runit will use run scripts for the gettys and for ssh by default. I think a couple other things, too. | 17:11 |
| fsmithred | there's a readme in that iso. Read it. | 17:12 |
| golinux | Here is skarnet's talk at the Devuan conference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7qE43KK5bY&t=7622s | 17:12 |
| fluffywolf | fsmithred: what's the fun of that? :P | 17:12 |
| texasmynsted | thank you | 17:13 |
| fsmithred | it tells you which run scripts are enabled | 17:13 |
| fsmithred | oh, other way to tell is just 'ls /etc/init.d' | 17:13 |
| fsmithred | anything that isn't green has an enabled runscript. | 17:13 |
| fsmithred | isn't green = not executable | 17:13 |
| fsmithred | That might not be in the readme (just to add to the fun) | 17:14 |
| texasmynsted | :-) So far Devuan is fun. Thanks again. | 17:37 |
| Kitty | hi | 17:42 |
| Kitty | What happend to /usr/local/sbin ? | 17:43 |
| fsmithred | Kitty, did you choose usrmerge when you installed? The default is 'no' | 17:47 |
| Kitty | usrmerge was not presented as an option | 17:48 |
| fsmithred | or did you get 'command not found'? | 17:48 |
| fsmithred | oh, the choice is only in expert install | 17:48 |
| Kitty | I did apt-get dist-upgrade | 17:48 |
| Kitty | from beowulf to chimera | 17:49 |
| Kitty | on another machine I do get command not found | 17:49 |
| Kitty | which is annoying the hell out of me | 17:49 |
| fsmithred | su - | 17:49 |
| fsmithred | or... | 17:49 |
| fsmithred | I have to check | 17:49 |
| fsmithred | cat /etc/default/su | 17:50 |
| fsmithred | ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes | 17:50 |
| Kitty | so where am I supposed to put stuff that was in /usr/local/sbin/ ? | 17:50 |
| fsmithred | did the stuff in it get deleted or moved somwhere else? | 17:51 |
| Kitty | deleted I think | 17:51 |
| fsmithred | this is the first I've heard of this happening | 17:51 |
| fsmithred | run updatedb and then 'locate <something>' to find something that was there. | 17:52 |
| Kitty | # updatedb | 17:52 |
| Kitty | bash: updatedb: command not found | 17:52 |
| fsmithred | install mlocate for that | 17:53 |
| fsmithred | or use find to find something | 17:53 |
| Kitty | bash: /usr/sbin/tcpdump: No such file or directory | 17:54 |
| Kitty | I still get this | 17:54 |
| Kitty | as well | 17:54 |
| Kitty | tis home time, I shall resume this battle in the morning. | 17:57 |
| Kitty | thanks for your help | 17:57 |
| texasmynsted | my linux skills are rusty. What is the best way to boot to text (not start xserver). iirc I can do this in grub or I could alter runit to not start it. | 18:01 |
| texasmynsted | nm, I think grub is the solution | 18:03 |
| onefang | Disable what ever graphical login system you use. | 18:08 |
| texasmynsted | xfce | 18:15 |
| fsmithred | texasmynsted, are you using my iso now? | 18:18 |
| texasmynsted | not yet | 18:18 |
| texasmynsted | Right now I am using an install I started last night (runit) | 18:19 |
| fsmithred | oh, ok. The system that made the iso has a multi-user console-only boot option, but it's not in the iso's boot menu | 18:19 |
| texasmynsted | oh cool | 18:19 |
| texasmynsted | I just installed Devuan in vitrualbox to learn how to use it. | 18:20 |
| texasmynsted | default net installed with ssh, console additions, etc. | 18:20 |
| texasmynsted | plan to run it headless from virtualbox | 18:21 |
| texasmynsted | I could just boot to single user mode but I want multi user mode | 18:24 |
| debdog | usually I just rename the display manager's link inside /etc/rc2.d from Ssomething to Ksomething, texasmynsted | 18:29 |
| fsmithred | or don't install a desktop | 18:29 |
| debdog | right, if it's aheadless system anyway | 18:30 |
| fsmithred | texasmynsted, are you used to redhat/suse runlevels? | 18:30 |
| texasmynsted | well I should have not installed gui. | 18:31 |
| texasmynsted | iirc 1 is single user, 2 is graphical, 3 is shutdown or something | 18:31 |
| fsmithred | then turn off the display manager (slim, I guess) | 18:31 |
| fsmithred | 1 is single, 2 is default. multi-user, graphical if you have graphical. | 18:32 |
| texasmynsted | my goal for installing it was so I could start it if I wanted it but by default it would not start | 18:32 |
| fsmithred | 2,3,4,5 are all same in debian | 18:32 |
| fsmithred | (and devuan) | 18:32 |
| fsmithred | do what debdog said, and you can either start the display manager or run startx when you want. | 18:33 |
| texasmynsted | okay | 18:33 |
| ErRandir | Since my upgrade to daedalus "file" always reports "file: File 5.41 supports only version 16 magic files. `/usr/share/misc/magic.mgc' is version 14 (No such file or directory)". That is provided by libmagic-mgc which is the newest version on 1:5.41-4. Anybody have a fix for this? | 18:33 |
| fsmithred | That version of file seems to be working ok here. | 18:38 |
| texasmynsted | :-) Yes debdog's suggestion worked perfectly | 18:39 |
| debdog | texasmynsted: and when you run "startx" the desktop shows up? just to be certain. | 18:40 |
| texasmynsted | I will try | 18:41 |
| texasmynsted | yes. | 18:41 |
| texasmynsted | :-) | 18:41 |
| debdog | \o/ | 18:42 |
| texasmynsted | Thanks again! | 18:43 |
| fsmithred | without the dm running, you might lose a few things related to policykit, like shutdown/reboot from menu or mounting removable media as user. | 18:44 |
| texasmynsted | okay | 18:45 |
| texasmynsted | I am sure I can sudo /sbin/shutdown, or something. | 18:47 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 18:49 |
| ham5urg | I played with multilanguage input and used ibus (xfce, gnome, it's installed automatically). What's your stance to ibus? It did replaced xkbcomp, am I right? | 23:40 |
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