| grimlord | Hi All | 14:51 |
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| jjakob | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt what does the string in [] after package name mean? | 16:03 |
| jjakob | reason for the ban? | 16:03 |
| jjakob | or dependency that's the reason for the ban? | 16:03 |
| gnarface | i think so yea | 16:06 |
| jjakob | so for example freeipa-client is listed on 2 lines, one with [oddjob-mkhomedir] and one with [python3-ipaclient], then I go look at that package and the dependency it's banned for, and so on | 16:08 |
| jjakob | of course only in the versions listed in the columns on the right, not all versions | 16:08 |
| jjakob | it's present here so that does make sense https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=*freeipa*&x=submit | 16:11 |
| jjakob | I tried booting the chimaera amd64 netboot iso but when at the "Download installer components" step I get "WARNING **: no packages matching running kernel 5.10.0-9-amd64 in archive" | 21:57 |
| gnarface | at the kernel selection section pick a different one | 21:59 |
| gnarface | sometimes the links get stale or something, but one of them should always work | 22:00 |
| gnarface | i think it's the one without the version explicitly listed | 22:00 |
| jjakob | I did not get to that step yet | 22:00 |
| jjakob | I'm in the expert install | 22:00 |
| jjakob | just pressing enter when it throws me to the next step | 22:00 |
| gnarface | odd, but i admit i haven't tried the chimaera installer yet | 22:01 |
| jjakob | the previous step was "choose a mirror of the devuan archive" | 22:01 |
| gnarface | you can do the steps out of order for the most part | 22:01 |
| gnarface | and you can do them over again too | 22:01 |
| gnarface | i'd try picking the bare "linux-image-amd64" kernel or whatever it's listed as (the one without versions) then come back to see if it works | 22:01 |
| jjakob | where I select the mirror country (doesn't seem to be used), deb.devuan.net, no proxy, then "Devuan version to install" select "chimaera - stable" | 22:02 |
| gnarface | deb.devuan.net not .org? | 22:02 |
| jjakob | but where do I select that, there is no kernel selection step in the menu | 22:02 |
| jjakob | org, yes | 22:03 |
| gnarface | you are correct that there's only one global round-robin, no country-specific groups | 22:03 |
| jjakob | download installer components, select an init system, change debconf priority, save debug logs, execute a shell, abort the installation | 22:04 |
| gnarface | hmmm, if kernel selection isn't there i'm not sure i remember where it is | 22:05 |
| gnarface | debconf priority needs to be low enough | 22:06 |
| gnarface | probably | 22:06 |
| jjakob | I think it needs to download something and then it expands the menu | 22:06 |
| gnarface | it might be part of another step | 22:06 |
| gnarface | wait, does it stop you from continuing the install too, or does it just spit out that error and otherwise look normal? | 22:07 |
| jjakob | you mean I can go on and try select init system next? | 22:08 |
| gnarface | yea just go down the list and see how many steps you can complete anyway | 22:09 |
| gnarface | it's only a warning after all | 22:09 |
| jjakob | nah it doesn't work, installation step failed | 22:09 |
| gnarface | fsmithred, any idea on this? | 22:09 |
| gnarface | jjakob: it's not a old installer image is it? if there's a newer one up, get that | 22:10 |
| jjakob | I got it from the current dir, there is only one version up | 22:11 |
| jjakob | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/chimaera/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ | 22:11 |
| jjakob | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/chimaera/main/installer-amd64/20210731%2Bdeb11u1%2Bdevuan1/ | 22:12 |
| gnarface | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=%5Elinux%5C-image%5C-5%5C.10%5C.0%5C-.*amd64%24&x=submit | 22:13 |
| gnarface | well i can confirm there's no "-9-" up there | 22:13 |
| gnarface | there's a 8 and a 10 but the latest is 15, it looks like | 22:14 |
| gnarface | so you're gonna have to force it to pick anything else, but i really thought there was a way to do that without dropping to a shell | 22:15 |
| jjakob | is there a cmdline option that does that? | 22:17 |
| jjakob | or shell? | 22:17 |
| gnarface | should be a shell accessible just like with the debian one | 22:17 |
| gnarface | try alt+F4 or ctrl+alt+F4 | 22:17 |
| jjakob | vt4 is the log console | 22:17 |
| jjakob | shell I can get on vt2 | 22:18 |
| gnarface | well whatever one it is, you can in theory just chroot into the installation target and set it up manually | 22:18 |
| gnarface | i'm guessing that if you just install another kernel it will let you do all the steps over again without complaint | 22:19 |
| jjakob | that seems like a lot of work | 22:19 |
| jjakob | can't I just change the version it wants to install in some preseed file | 22:20 |
| gnarface | uh, probably actually, didn't think of that | 22:23 |
| jjakob | where is the default preseed file? | 22:31 |
| gnarface | not sure there is one | 22:32 |
| gnarface | and i don't remember where to put the new one, but i think it has to be in the root of the installer image before boot | 22:32 |
| gnarface | either in the root or one specific directory below it | 22:32 |
| gnarface | that's the part i forgot | 22:33 |
| jjakob | how does d-i know what to install then | 22:34 |
| gnarface | i assume the debian reference still is accurate: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed | 22:34 |
| gnarface | i think it says it looks in d-i/[release codename]/preseed.cfg | 22:35 |
| gnarface | had you done the network config step yet? | 22:36 |
| jjakob | yeah network works | 22:36 |
| gnarface | i think that i recall it also looks in the root of the install image for a custom preseed.cfg | 22:43 |
| gnarface | maybe not, maybe only in the release subdir | 22:44 |
| jjakob | I'm PXE booting it so I think it'd be easiest to put it on the tftp server, but I don't know what I'd put in the preseed file | 22:45 |
| gnarface | https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/apbs02.html.en | 22:46 |
| gnarface | this looks like it might be helpful | 22:46 |
| gnarface | it might use task meta-packages to select the defaults | 22:47 |
| jjakob | there is no apt-get to install debconf-utils to use debconf-get-selections | 22:48 |
| gnarface | even the preseeding seems like a lot of work, i really thought there was a way to do this from the menus | 22:50 |
| gnarface | when you said expert mode, is it also the text expert mode or just the gui one? | 22:51 |
| jjakob | you can try booting it on your own | 22:51 |
| jjakob | or maybe booting the iso would work but the PXE boot needs to get something from the mirrors and it doesn't work | 22:52 |
| jjakob | I can try booting the iso directly without PXE | 22:52 |
| gnarface | oh, this was PXE this whole time? sorry i missed that part | 22:52 |
| gnarface | yea just try a regular netboot, it shouldn't need to even connect to the internet to actually create a bootable install | 22:52 |
| jjakob | gnarface: exact same error with mini.iso | 23:01 |
| jjakob | if someone can fix this until tomorrow in netboot.tar.gz I can wait | 23:02 |
| gnarface | interesting, but what about with the netboot no PXE? | 23:02 |
| jjakob | how do I boot a tar archive in a VM? | 23:02 |
| gnarface | sorry | 23:02 |
| gnarface | when you said netboot i thought you meant netinstall | 23:03 |
| gnarface | i thought you were using this image: https://files.devuan.org/devuan_chimaera/installer-iso/devuan_chimaera_4.0.0_amd64_netinstall.iso | 23:03 |
| jjakob | oh no, I was using netboot.tar.gz unpacked into a TFTP server and PXE booted from it | 23:03 |
| jjakob | I installed lots of Debian and Ubuntu systems this way with no problem | 23:04 |
| gnarface | i'm sure it'll get fixed, it looks like that kernel must have been removed for security | 23:04 |
| jjakob | well if I can't get this booted until tomorrow I'm just using the netinst iso | 23:07 |
| fsmithred | just got back. The mini isos die when the kernel changes. The netinstall and other installers do not - those will keep working. | 23:13 |
| fsmithred | and same for netboot tarball, I assume. | 23:13 |
| jjakob | release updated ones then? | 23:15 |
| fsmithred | yeah, they need to be rebuilt. I think the person who does that is on vacation right now. | 23:16 |
| fsmithred | as a guess, I'd say maybe a week or two before it's done | 23:16 |
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