| devuanconsumer | chimera | 00:01 |
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| devuanconsumer | do i simply add the back ports to the sources and apt update and apt upgrade? | 00:01 |
| devuanconsumer | sources list* | 00:01 |
| brocashelm | yes, add chimaera-backports repository and then update/upgrade | 00:03 |
| gnarface | well, you might want to just upgrade but i wouldn't | 00:05 |
| devuanconsumer | do you guys have nvidia graphics card? is the fan speed option available for you in the settings? under thermal settings | 00:05 |
| gnarface | i'd just install the kernel and nvidia drivers first, and any non-free firmware packages that might pair with the kernel, then i'd disable backports again until i was sure i needed it | 00:05 |
| devuanconsumer | how do i upgrade a specific package. | 00:05 |
| gnarface | i did have nvidia graphics cards for many years, i always had to use a 3rd party open source tool to change the fan speed and they sued the guy into oblivion over a decade ago, about 2 generations after the tool had already stopped working with their newer hardware | 00:06 |
| gnarface | to just upgrade a specific package, with backports in your your sources.list, use this command: apt-get -t chimaera-backports --no-install-recommends install [package name] | 00:10 |
| devuanconsumer | ah ok! | 00:10 |
| devuanconsumer | thanks! | 00:10 |
| gnarface | for nvidia drivers, which are scattered across like 2 dozen packages, it might fail to get them all at once even though it depends on them, so after you install a few, type this and make sure the versions match: dpkg -l |grep -i nvidia | 00:11 |
| gnarface | one of the most preventable causes of nvidia driver misbehavior is just having mismatched major versions | 00:11 |
| gnarface | some of them will be versioned like 3992394782394723 or some datestamp or something, all you can do with those is just make sure it says they're the latest when you try to install them individually | 00:12 |
| gnarface | but most of them will be versioned something like 450.84 | 00:12 |
| gnarface | 3 digits, a decimal, then 2 digits | 00:13 |
| gnarface | those ones, you can make sure they all match at a glance with "dpkg -l |grep -i nvidia" | 00:13 |
| gnarface | if you see some of them in there for example with 450.84 and some with 466.95, you've got a problem that may not cause everything to fail, it may just cause weird corner case behavior | 00:14 |
| gnarface | they should really do a better job at their package dependencies | 00:14 |
| gnarface | you could just get everything from backports with a blind "apt-get -t chimaera-backports upgrade" but i'd really advise against it; in my experience the quality control isn't great on non-free stuff and less so with regards to the backports stuff | 00:17 |
| gnarface | the only reason you'd want to get stuff from backports is if something you need (like particular bleeding-edge hardware support) is wrong or missing in your existing versions | 00:18 |
| gnarface | and don't forget you have to run "apt-get update" after every change to your sources.list! | 00:19 |
| devuanconsumer | thanks again gnar :) | 00:19 |
| devuanconsumer | ok i got the fans working but now i get another error when updating | 00:43 |
| devuanconsumer | must have been the nvidia-setting package i uninstalleed | 00:44 |
| devuanconsumer | After this operation, 0 B of additional disk space will be used. | 00:44 |
| devuanconsumer | Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y | 00:44 |
| devuanconsumer | Setting up nvidia-persistenced (460.32.03-1) ... | 00:44 |
| devuanconsumer | Starting NVIDIA Persistence Daemon | 00:44 |
| devuanconsumer | nvidia-persistenced failed to initialize. Check syslog for more details. | 00:44 |
| devuanconsumer | invoke-rc.d: initscript nvidia-persistenced, action "start" failed. | 00:44 |
| devuanconsumer | dpkg: error processing package nvidia-persistenced (--configure): | 00:44 |
| devuanconsumer | installed nvidia-persistenced package post-installation script subprocess retur | 00:44 |
| devuanconsumer | ned error exit status 1 | 00:44 |
| devuanconsumer | Errors were encountered while processing: | 00:44 |
| devuanconsumer | nvidia-persistenced | 00:44 |
| devuanconsumer | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) | 00:44 |
| devuanconsumer | Jun 25 15:41:58 devuanrig nvidia-persistenced: Started (4242) | 00:46 |
| devuanconsumer | Jun 25 15:41:58 devuanrig nvidia-persistenced: Failed to open libnvidia-cfg.so.1: libnvidia-cfg.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 00:46 |
| devuanconsumer | Jun 25 15:41:58 devuanrig nvidia-persistenced: Shutdown (4242) | 00:46 |
| gnarface | devuanconsumer: actually just "apt-get --purge remove nvidia-persistenced" | 00:47 |
| gnarface | even when the package doesn't cause problems the program will | 00:47 |
| gnarface | it's a stupid half-assed attempt to preserve some functionality from windows that makes games start faster | 00:47 |
| gnarface | but they don't always actually include it with a release, and their packages aren't smart enough to uninstall it when they don't, so the old version just stays behind and causes conflicts unless you manually uninstall it | 00:48 |
| gnarface | luckily it's not actually required for anything so you can just ditch it | 00:48 |
| devuanconsumer | thank you! | 00:48 |
| gnarface | no problem | 00:48 |
| maze | greetings | 04:18 |
| Melon | there you go | 04:18 |
| maze | anyone know how to add applications to dock | 04:18 |
| maze | thane | 04:18 |
| maze | lol | 04:18 |
| maze | thanks | 04:19 |
| debdog | in lxqt just drag them there | 04:20 |
| debdog | (unless the bar is locked, then unlock it first) | 04:21 |
| maze | i tried. doesn't work. i can add app to an app that's currently in the dock and it creates an expandable list | 04:21 |
| maze | oh didn't think of that. how to unlock? | 04:21 |
| debdog | hint: "in lxqt" what desktop environment are you talking about? | 04:22 |
| maze | whatever stock is. not sure new to devuan | 04:23 |
| maze | trying to escape windblows | 04:24 |
| debdog | https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=3232 | 04:30 |
| debdog | in case that doesn't help, just stick around for someone more knowledgabel than me, sorry | 04:32 |
| brocashelm | >2007 | 04:32 |
| debdog | like brocashelm ;) | 04:32 |
| * brocashelm hides his RGB gaming rigs | 04:33 | |
| debdog | well, my ISP did a forced reconnect, I am unsure whether I've missed something or not | 04:39 |
| mazeman | something happened on my end also? but I'm back | 04:39 |
| mazeman | wouldn't let me use maze nickname! | 04:40 |
| brocashelm | debdog: you can check the chat logs: http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/_devuan/ | 06:26 |
| devuanconsumer | i thought daedalus wasn't out yet or are people simply installing the alpha? | 15:02 |
| devuanconsumer | Also how can i install flatpaks | 15:02 |
| devuanconsumer | like this one | 15:02 |
| devuanconsumer | https://flathub.org/apps/details/com.leinardi.gwe | 15:02 |
| devuanconsumer | can't seem to figure it out | 15:02 |
| devuanconsumer_ | ok i figured out the flatpak | 15:06 |
| devuanconsumer_ | XD | 15:06 |
| lts | "They are a black box created by a stranger from Internet"? | 15:07 |
| DPA | It's possible to either bootstrap daedalus or upgrade an earlier release to daedalus. | 15:08 |
| DPA | The repo is there, just not the installer. | 15:08 |
| devuanconsumer_ | aha i found it | 15:08 |
| devuanconsumer_ | https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/devuan_daedalus/ | 15:08 |
| devuanconsumer_ | so what are the advantages of upgrading to daeldalus | 15:09 |
| DPA | Oh, there are installers already? Sorry, I didn't know that. | 15:11 |
| DPA | Upgrading to daeldalus can make sense if you need a version of a software newer then in previous releases. | 15:14 |
| devuanconsumer_ | ah ok - but the next major stable release isn't going to be out until about 2023 right? | 15:14 |
| used____ | xfce4 panel in Beowulf loses sensors plugin on every xfce4 restart. Arch had a similar problem 10+ years ago, probably unrelated. Suggest a fix? | 15:26 |
| used____ | .config/xfce4/panel/xfce4-sensors-plugin-* shows 3-4 entries after a reboot. Should be only one? stat on them shows they are all new (!) from the current session by wall clock. Contents differ. | 15:31 |
| used____ | And sizes differ. | 15:31 |
| used____ | To make sensors vanish from panel: log out then back in. Saving session does not help. | 15:31 |
| _ds_ | Could be changes in whcih sensors are reported as available. | 15:33 |
| used____ | No. | 15:34 |
| _ds_ | But that should just result in some disappearing from what's shown. | 15:34 |
| used____ | .config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-panel.xml shows several (!!) sensors plugins in the panel!!w | 15:34 |
| used____ | pruning down to 1, re-logout-login | 15:35 |
| used____ | brb | 15:35 |
| used____ | Ok, that was it. Sensors suvived the logout-login. | 15:36 |
| used____ | Conclusion: if sensors does not save prefs or disappears between sessions: 1) ensure only one line with value="xfce4-sensors-plugin" is in s | 15:37 |
| used____ | 15:37 | |
| used____ | s | 15:37 |
| used____ | .config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-panel.xml | 15:37 |
| used____ | sorry paste fail. Also 2) ensure only one, corresponding .rc file is in ls .config/xfce4/panel/xfce4-sensors-plugin-??.rc -- where ?? is a number which matches "plugin-??" in the xfce4-panel.xml | 15:39 |
| used____ | One more: ensure saved sessions list is cleared from Menu->Settings, then save current session if desired. I have no idea how these things went bad. | 15:42 |
| used____ | Probably crash then restore with corrupt data by session manager. | 15:42 |
| used____ | </done> | 15:43 |
| mdt_ | hi, today during an `apt dist-upgrade` i got thrown into a terminal spreadsheet program (sc) several times... i neither know why that happnen nor why that thing is installed at all on that box... | 21:36 |
| golinux | Neither will we unless you give us specific information. | 21:40 |
| mdt_ | i have no more than that, in the middle of the apt run sc popped up | 22:31 |
| mdt_ | i quit it each time and the process progressed | 22:31 |
| mdt_ | i thought maybe it rings a bell for aomeone, is there a name clash with sc? | 22:32 |
| mdt_ | golinux: if you have an idea how to investigate.. | 22:33 |
| DPA | Do you have $EDITOR or $PAGER set to sc? Or are they set in "update-alternatives --get-selections" to sc? | 22:39 |
| mdt_ | no, no. i must assume it could be a hw problem: dbus asked me to reboot and that fails now. have to investigate that tomorrow. sorry for disturbing.. | 22:41 |
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