plasma41 | mdt_: Reminds me of https://askubuntu.com/questions/938606/dwarf-fortress-starting-during-apt-get-upgrade | 01:36 |
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rwp | plasma41 +1 (And I am impressed at your memory for the dwarf-fortress df name conflict!) | 01:52 |
golinux | plasma41 is a treasure trove of trivia, :) | 02:03 |
plasma41 | :-) | 02:04 |
phogg | and this is why games don't go in root's PATH | 02:05 |
joerg | *cough* ... update | 03:40 |
joerg | the bot log and flters did their job | 03:42 |
spine-o-saurus | anyone know how to boot the iso from grub? I get a 'device name already in use error' while booting but the installer screen still shows and I cant mount anything though | 10:28 |
Fieldy | hello, I'm considering devuan. the main thing I need is python 3.9. does devuan have it? are there plans to remove it later? | 17:23 |
lts | Fieldy: 3.9 is the python3 version of chimaera. As the version follows debian bullseye, it is not expected to change for the lifetime of chimaera/bullseye | 17:28 |
golinux | Fieldy: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=python+3.9&x=submit | 17:28 |
Fieldy | oh that's good news. thanks for the URL golinux i'll def save the base of that | 17:29 |
golinux | :) | 17:29 |
Fieldy | hm. site is timing out here *kicks stuff* | 17:30 |
Fieldy | 504 Gateway Time-out :o *hides i didn't do it* | 17:31 |
Fieldy | sounds like the this is the distro i want though, so onward! | 17:32 |
golinux | What site exactly? | 17:33 |
lts | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/ times out for me as well | 17:33 |
Fieldy | ^ | 17:34 |
golinux | Just tried another search and took ,maybe 2 sec | 17:35 |
Fieldy | yep it is functioning here now too | 17:36 |
golinux | The package need an argument. | 17:36 |
golinux | Good! We've been getting hammered lately so sometimes things are slow. | 17:37 |
Fieldy | increasing popularity? :) | 17:37 |
lts | Also works here again | 17:37 |
golinux | Might have to do with this: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=5093 | 17:38 |
Fieldy | oh cool!! | 17:40 |
Fieldy | SO nice to be able to have THREE init system choices at install | 17:56 |
Fieldy | hello, i've installed Chimaera 4.0 stable. I'm on a dhcp network. each time I boot, I get a different IP which is rather annoying; is there some different way that devuan releases a DHCP lease? typically on boot the dhcp client requests the last IP and if available the dhcp server will give it to it | 21:52 |
rwp | Fieldy, Have you installed something that randomizes the MAC ethernet address "for privacy reasons"? If so that will force a different IP address each time. | 22:05 |
rwp | Also, if you want a persistent IP address then the best thing is to instruct the DHCP server with a reserved address for the client MAC ethernet. Then it will be persistently the same. | 22:06 |
Fieldy | rwp: i haven't, stock install. there's numerous other VMs (not devuan, but linux/bsd) on the same system using the same vm tech that aren't doing this. I'll go ahead and make a static reservation in the dhcp server :) thanks for the response | 22:14 |
Hurgotron | I remember to have had this problem before. Also soved it with a static lease while it should not have been necessary (for testing, involving several reboots) | 22:19 |
gnarface | try the other dhcp client | 22:21 |
gnarface | in general i've found it to be better behaved | 22:21 |
rwp | I haven't experienced any gratuitous IP rotation myself using Devuan and the isc-dhcp-client which is the one I install. | 22:36 |
rwp | Although I am aware that the ISC just marked it end of life now and I will need to switch to using a different client moving forward. | 22:37 |
Fieldy | gnarface: which is the other dhcp client? | 22:40 |
Fieldy | but yeah i think what's happening is that there are (i'm oversimplifying) partial and full dhcp releases | 22:40 |
Fieldy | it's probably doing a full | 22:40 |
rwp | If it were me I would verify that the ethernet address is not changing. Use "ip addr show" (or the "ip a" shortest keyboard abbreviation) to verify. | 22:42 |
gnarface | Fieldy: the one rwp mentioned, isc-dhcp-client; and it's the reference client, for the record... it's a shame that it's being EOL'd, that's news to me :( | 22:42 |
rwp | Also that the hostname is not changing. The hostname is sent to the server and if the hostname changes then the server will give a different IP address. | 22:43 |
Fieldy | it's going away?? | 22:43 |
rwp | gnarface, https://www.isc.org/blogs/dhcp-client-relay-eom/ | 22:43 |
Fieldy | wow why | 22:43 |
gnarface | Fieldy: don't worry, it won't be removed from this release, it just may not be present in future ones if nobody picks it up to maintain it | 22:43 |
rwp | The heir apparent is https://roy.marples.name/projects/dhcpcd/ | 22:44 |
rwp | Right. No urgency to this. No need to panic. It's just a direction of the future. And who knows? This might shake someone up and it might be continued. | 22:44 |
Fieldy | right on | 22:45 |
rwp | I mention the hostname because it's crazy but some combinations of dhcp client set the hostname to the dynamically obtained reverse DNS for that address. | 22:45 |
Fieldy | so 1) what is the default dhcp client on devuan 2) i should try isc-dhcp-client ? | 22:45 |
Fieldy | yeah i know what you're talking about :) | 22:45 |
rwp | "dpkg -l | grep dhcp" ?? | 22:45 |
Fieldy | oh nice | 22:46 |
gnarface | the default is most likely dhcpcd | 22:46 |
gnarface | it's just frequently misbehaved or was missing features when i needed it too, which admittedly is rarely | 22:47 |
rwp | I have always used the ISC client. I haven't yet used dhcpcd and so haven't learned what I need to override the domain name and basic routine things like that. | 22:48 |
Fieldy | isc-dhcp-client is already installed here, though maybe if both are installed, one or the other is used? | 22:48 |
gnarface | hmmm | 22:49 |
gnarface | do you have control over the dhcp server too? | 22:49 |
Fieldy | /sbin/dhclient is what's running | 22:49 |
Fieldy | yeah it might be easier to just add a static lease | 22:49 |
gnarface | well you should check the lease limit allowed at the server and the lease length requested at the client, just as a sanity check, but first you need to make sure you're editing the config for the right dhcp client | 22:50 |
gnarface | i didn't think it'd allow you to install both clients at once but you should double check | 22:50 |
Fieldy | will do the first part now, then we can check the other | 22:50 |
rwp | If dhclient is running then that's the same one I have always run. I have never had it rotate through IP addresses here. | 22:51 |
rwp | Which leads me to deduce that the issue is with your dhcp server handing out different addresses. | 22:51 |
gnarface | which, it might do if you have MAC address randomization on | 22:52 |
gnarface | at the client end | 22:52 |
rwp | If you want to debug this more deeply install "dhcpdump" and then run it and let it tell you what is happening at the dhcp protocol level. | 22:52 |
gnarface | but it might do it for other reasons too... | 22:52 |
Fieldy | I'm not ignoring the channel, just working on it | 22:56 |
gnarface | i'm low on ideas of what would cause this normally, but one other thing that came to mind is if possibly you have hostname, ip, or mac address contention | 22:57 |
gnarface | is it possible another machine on the network is fighting you for the same IP lease? | 22:58 |
gnarface | maybe something with the same hostname because you've copied the install, or something like that? | 22:58 |
gnarface | just one more thing to sanity check | 22:59 |
Fieldy | i added a static lease on the dhcp server, rebooted, and it stuck with the IP it had before the reboot. yeah lots of things it could be :) it's the first install here, no clones or anything like that. these are all valid and top notch ideas though -- i'm good for now :) | 23:00 |
gnarface | what is the dhcp server? another linux box or some plastic toy thing? | 23:05 |
gnarface | just curious | 23:05 |
rwp | Fieldy, It's okay to work the problem and respond more slowly. We value quality over quantity. :-) | 23:06 |
Fieldy | gnarface: opnsense, a fork of pfsense running on hardenedbsd | 23:33 |
rwp | Hard to say anything bad about that dhcp server. I don't have any hands on experience with it though. | 23:39 |
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