libera/#devuan/ Monday, 2022-06-27

plasma41mdt_: Reminds me of https://askubuntu.com/questions/938606/dwarf-fortress-starting-during-apt-get-upgrade01:36
rwpplasma41 +1 (And I am impressed at your memory for the dwarf-fortress df name conflict!)01:52
golinuxplasma41 is a treasure trove of trivia,  :)02:03
plasma41:-)02:04
phoggand this is why games don't go in root's PATH02:05
joerg*cough* ... update03:40
joergthe bot log and flters did their job03:42
spine-o-saurusanyone know how to boot the iso from grub? I get a 'device name already in use error' while booting but the installer screen still shows and I cant mount anything though10:28
Fieldyhello, I'm considering devuan. the main thing I need is python 3.9. does devuan have it? are there plans to remove it later?17:23
ltsFieldy: 3.9 is the python3 version of chimaera. As the version follows debian bullseye, it is not expected to change for the lifetime of chimaera/bullseye17:28
golinuxFieldy: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=python+3.9&x=submit17:28
Fieldyoh that's good news. thanks for the URL golinux i'll def save the base of that17:29
golinux:)17:29
Fieldyhm. site is timing out here *kicks stuff*17:30
Fieldy504 Gateway Time-out  :o *hides i didn't do it*17:31
Fieldysounds like the this is the distro i want though, so onward!17:32
golinuxWhat site exactly?17:33
ltshttps://pkginfo.devuan.org/ times out for me as well17:33
Fieldy^17:34
golinuxJust tried another search and took ,maybe 2 sec17:35
Fieldyyep it is functioning here now too17:36
golinuxThe package need an argument.17:36
golinuxGood! We've been getting hammered lately so sometimes things are slow.17:37
Fieldyincreasing popularity? :)17:37
ltsAlso works here again17:37
golinuxMight have to do with this: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=509317:38
Fieldyoh cool!!17:40
FieldySO nice to be able to have THREE init system choices at install17:56
Fieldyhello, i've installed Chimaera 4.0 stable. I'm on a dhcp network. each time I boot, I get a different IP which is rather annoying; is there some different way that devuan releases a DHCP lease? typically on boot the dhcp client requests the last IP and if available the dhcp server will give it to it21:52
rwpFieldy, Have you installed something that randomizes the MAC ethernet address "for privacy reasons"?  If so that will force a different IP address each time.22:05
rwpAlso, if you want a persistent IP address then the best thing is to instruct the DHCP server with a reserved address for the client MAC ethernet.  Then it will be persistently the same.22:06
Fieldyrwp: i haven't, stock install. there's numerous other VMs (not devuan, but linux/bsd) on the same system using the same vm tech that aren't doing this. I'll go ahead and make a static reservation in the dhcp server :) thanks for the response22:14
HurgotronI remember to have had this problem before. Also soved it with a static lease while it should not have been necessary (for testing, involving several reboots)22:19
gnarfacetry the other dhcp client22:21
gnarfacein general i've found it to be better behaved22:21
rwpI haven't experienced any gratuitous IP rotation myself using Devuan and the isc-dhcp-client which is the one I install.22:36
rwpAlthough I am aware that the ISC just marked it end of life now and I will need to switch to using a different client moving forward.22:37
Fieldygnarface: which is the other dhcp client?22:40
Fieldybut yeah i think what's happening is that there are (i'm oversimplifying) partial and full dhcp releases22:40
Fieldyit's probably doing a full22:40
rwpIf it were me I would verify that the ethernet address is not changing.  Use "ip addr show" (or the "ip a" shortest keyboard abbreviation) to verify.22:42
gnarfaceFieldy: the one rwp mentioned, isc-dhcp-client; and it's the reference client, for the record... it's a shame that it's being EOL'd, that's news to me :(22:42
rwpAlso that the hostname is not changing.  The hostname is sent to the server and if the hostname changes then the server will give a different IP address.22:43
Fieldyit's going away??22:43
rwpgnarface, https://www.isc.org/blogs/dhcp-client-relay-eom/22:43
Fieldywow why22:43
gnarfaceFieldy: don't worry, it won't be removed from this release, it just may not be present in future ones if nobody picks it up to maintain it22:43
rwpThe heir apparent is https://roy.marples.name/projects/dhcpcd/22:44
rwpRight.  No urgency to this.  No need to panic.  It's just a direction of the future.  And who knows?  This might shake someone up and it might be continued.22:44
Fieldyright on22:45
rwpI mention the hostname because it's crazy but some combinations of dhcp client set the hostname to the dynamically obtained reverse DNS for that address.22:45
Fieldyso 1) what is the default dhcp client on devuan 2) i should try isc-dhcp-client  ?22:45
Fieldyyeah i know what you're talking about :)22:45
rwp"dpkg -l | grep dhcp" ??22:45
Fieldyoh nice22:46
gnarfacethe default is most likely dhcpcd22:46
gnarfaceit's just frequently misbehaved or was missing features when i needed it too, which admittedly is rarely22:47
rwpI have always used the ISC client.  I haven't yet used dhcpcd and so haven't learned what I need to override the domain name and basic routine things like that.22:48
Fieldyisc-dhcp-client is already installed here, though maybe if both are installed, one or the other is used?22:48
gnarfacehmmm22:49
gnarfacedo you have control over the dhcp server too?22:49
Fieldy/sbin/dhclient is what's running22:49
Fieldyyeah it might be easier to just add a static lease22:49
gnarfacewell you should check the lease limit allowed at the server and the lease length requested at the client, just as a sanity check, but first you need to make sure you're editing the config for the right dhcp client22:50
gnarfacei didn't think it'd allow you to install both clients at once but you should double check22:50
Fieldywill do the first part now, then we can check the other22:50
rwpIf dhclient is running then that's the same one I have always run.  I have never had it rotate through IP addresses here.22:51
rwpWhich leads me to deduce that the issue is with your dhcp server handing out different addresses.22:51
gnarfacewhich, it might do if you have MAC address randomization on22:52
gnarfaceat the client end22:52
rwpIf you want to debug this more deeply install "dhcpdump" and then run it and let it tell you what is happening at the dhcp protocol level.22:52
gnarfacebut it might do it for other reasons too...22:52
FieldyI'm not ignoring the channel, just working on it22:56
gnarfacei'm low on ideas of what would cause this normally, but one other thing that came to mind is if possibly you have hostname, ip, or mac address contention22:57
gnarfaceis it possible another machine on the network is fighting you for the same IP lease?22:58
gnarfacemaybe something with the same hostname because you've copied the install, or something like that?22:58
gnarfacejust one more thing to sanity check22:59
Fieldyi added a static lease on the dhcp server, rebooted, and it stuck with the IP it had before the reboot. yeah lots of things it could be :) it's the first install here, no clones or anything like that. these are all valid and top notch ideas though -- i'm good for now :)23:00
gnarfacewhat is the dhcp server? another linux box or some plastic toy thing?23:05
gnarfacejust curious23:05
rwpFieldy, It's okay to work the problem and respond more slowly.  We value quality over quantity. :-)23:06
Fieldygnarface: opnsense, a fork of pfsense running on hardenedbsd23:33
rwpHard to say anything bad about that dhcp server.  I don't have any hands on experience with it though.23:39

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