| Kitty | Is there a reason why a package would be in old stable, testing, and unstable, but not in stable? | 11:40 |
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| gnarface | yes, usually that's because it had some showstopper bug that didn't get fixed in time for the pre-release freeze of stable so they pulled it, but then someone picked it right back up to fix it for the next release | 11:42 |
| gnarface | it doesn't happen a lot that packages come right back in the next release like that but it's not unheard of | 11:43 |
| gnarface | if it's something important i think they may put it in backports | 11:43 |
| Kitty | well this is weird. the ifenslave package seems to have lost the binary between version 2.9 and 2.12... | 13:15 |
| rwp | Kitty, https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=ifenslave&x=submit | 13:23 |
| rwp | It doesn't look lost. It looks like 2.9 in Beowulf and 2.12 in Chimaera. | 13:24 |
| rwp | Oh, I understand now. You mean the /sbin/ifenslave executable. Gotcha. | 13:27 |
| rwp | Kitty, See the /usr/share/doc/ifenslave/NEWS.Debian.gz file the update. | 13:27 |
| rwp | "ifenslave (2.10) This version of the ifenslave package no longer provides /sbin/ifenslave. The /sbin/ip command from the iproute2 package supports creating bonding masters and enslaving other interfaces to it." -- Guus Sliepen Tue, 08 May 2018 22:47:07 +0200 | 13:30 |
| Kitty | aah, that makes sense | 15:34 |
| systemdlete | can we add systemd-shim to the chimaera packages? I'm trying to build it right now for myself, but it would be nice if it were already available for certain tricky installs (like proxmox) | 23:35 |
| rwp | systemdlete, AFAIK the time of useful life for systemd-shim has closed. It was used. But now I think it is eulogind which is the path forward. Gone in Beowulf. | 23:42 |
| rwp | See: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=systemd-shim&x=submit | 23:43 |
| systemdlete | rwp: Will that work for packages with dependency on systemd? | 23:43 |
| rwp | Which package in particular are you fighting through? | 23:44 |
| systemdlete | proxmox | 23:44 |
| systemdlete | (see above) | 23:45 |
| systemdlete | actually, I am making progress building the shim package atm. At least, it hasn't broken... yet | 23:45 |
| rwp | For proxmox again AFAIK you would need to be blazing the trail yourself for how to run it since I have heard it has a hard dependency upon systemd. | 23:45 |
| systemdlete | I had to modify the process a little (see https://github.com/knelsonmeister/systemd ) | 23:46 |
| rwp | Other people have mentioned it as a problem. | 23:46 |
| systemdlete | "it" --> shim, proxmox, systemd, linux ? | 23:46 |
| systemdlete | rwp: That is exactly why I am trying to build systemd-shim! | 23:47 |
| rwp | One issue I know is that proxmox is basically from 3rd party repositories from Proxmox itself, right? And they have "drank the koolaid" and embraced systemd. | 23:47 |
| rwp | So it is neither in Devuan (or Debian) and therefore does not appear in https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt either. | 23:48 |
| systemdlete | the shim (in theory) should handle that | 23:49 |
| systemdlete | well, the build broke after about 10 minutes of work... | 23:49 |
| rwp | You have given me a useful and interesting resource which I am bookmarking. (Which should tell you what I know about things. Less and less each day.) | 23:49 |
| systemdlete | somehow, the build process described on the web page does not match current code; I had to create the debian directory and copy files into it, yada | 23:51 |
| systemdlete | it is not so straightforward. | 23:51 |
| systemdlete | But | 23:51 |
| rwp | Sorry. "it" in my "Other people have mentioned it as a problem." referred to proxmox. I have heard it spoken of as a problem. | 23:51 |
| systemdlete | if/when I am successful, I can post a recipe for building the shim | 23:51 |
| rwp | That would be cool. I am not sure where it should be posted. Long bemoaned that there is no wiki page for Devuan. | 23:52 |
| systemdlete | maybe in the dev pages that the porters use? | 23:52 |
| rwp | Sounds reasonable. But I have no idea. | 23:53 |
| systemdlete | (I used the word "porters" very loosely here) | 23:53 |
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