libera/#devuan/ Monday, 2022-07-25

linux_nAnyone know how to install tlpui on devuan?00:20
___usedHow come Mr. Jackson does not run Devuan? Since he resigned from Debian due to init-agnosticity being repealed? https://www.theregister.com/2022/07/25/upgrading_probably_the_worlds_oldest/19:46
clemzStill new to devuan, I haven't been able to get files to execute like with other distros. Is there something im missing?20:41
brocashelmclemz: what files are you trying to run?20:54
golinuxAnd on what release?20:55
fsmithredclemz, 'su -' to become root will give you the correct PATH. Otherwise, use the full path to the command.21:02
furrymcgeemaybe /etc/rc.local21:05
clemzbrocashelm: The Godot executable21:34
fsmithredIs there an error message, or are you just waiting for it?21:56
___usedmaybe-relevant https://godotengine.org/qa/37460/standalone-executable21:57
brocashelmclemz: works for me (downloaded 64-bit binary). have you checked that it's executable? run chmod +x on the file21:57
brocashelmfrom here: https://godotengine.org/download/linux21:57
clemzThat last comment is the one i downloaded. i ran ./[Filename] and got  "cannot execute binary file: Exec format error"21:59
clemzDoes chmod need to be done as root or with sudo?22:00
fsmithredtrying to run 64-bit in 32-bit environment?22:00
fsmithredthat's where I've seen that error.22:00
clemzHow can i check? I believe I installed the newest Devuan 64-bit. uname says i68622:02
___useduname -a22:02
___usedDoes it say something like `Linux beowulf 4.19.0-20-amd64 ...` <-22:03
* ___used must upgrade the kernel.22:03
clemzSMP Debian 5.1022:06
___usedThat is not the output of uname -a22:06
___usedPost the output of uname -a. 99% you're on 64 bits unless resurrected boat anchor at least 10 years old.22:06
clemzLinux 5.10.0-16-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 5.10.127-1 (2022-06-30) i686 GNU/Linux22:09
___usedHo hum.22:09
___usedPlease paste the output from: cat /proc/cpuinfo|grep 'model name'22:11
furrymcgeeima that is 32 bit kernel, should be x86_64 not i68622:11
___usedYes, but let's see if he is not on a 32 bit cpu...22:11
clemzmodel name: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770S CPU @ 3.10GHz22:12
___usedBefore suggesting an upgrade to 6422:12
___usedYeah, ok, upgrade.22:12
___usedTo 64 bit kernel and system.22:13
clemzAm i on Devuan 32bit?22:13
___usedYes.22:14
___usedHow did you install? From live?22:14
clemzYeah, from a usb22:14
___usedWhy did you choose the -pae kernel?22:14
___usedWas it the only choice?22:14
clemzI grabbed the newest Devuan i could find and slapped it on a usb.22:15
clemzfrom the main site22:15
___used...22:15
debdogto many intel CPU users installing an amd64 kernel sounds weird22:15
___usedThere is serious naming confusion, that's why debdog22:15
clemzCrazy that this system has been suiting 80% of my needs. Seems like I should have been having more issues.22:16
___usedIs there a specific guide for 32 to 6 Devuan migration, or does one use the generic one? https://wiki.debian.org/Migrate32To64Bit22:16
___used>> experts?22:17
___usedclemz: nothing wrong with 32 bit systems.22:17
fsmithredI didn't know it was possible.22:17
___usedI think I had to do it the other way round once, not on Debian.22:17
fsmithredseems like you'd have to reinstall all the important bits of the OS>22:17
debdogno, clemz. 32bit system runs just fine on that CPU (some software, esp. older ones, might even run better than on 64bit)22:17
___usedclemz: any good reason not to reinstall 64 bit clean? Save /home before that.22:18
clemzYeah I can do a clean reinstall22:19
___usedJust save your $HOME and restore it afterwards.22:19
___usedtshepang's answer seems okay to me albeit tedious https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/40463/how-to-convert-a-32-bit-x86-debian-based-system-to-64-bit22:21
___usedat "TL;DR: It is doable, but complicated. ...22:22
clemzThank you for all the help. Is there a Devuan Derivitive someone can recommend for desktop/development?22:24
___usedhttps://www.devuan.org/os/devuan-distros22:25
nemoclemz: why a derivative?22:32
* _ds_ recalls doing that i386→amd64 transition years ago now, but forgets the details22:35
brocashelmclemz: you22:45
brocashelmc22:45
brocashelmou22:45
brocashelml22:45
brocashelmwtf22:45
brocashelmclemz: you could try refracta22:46
brocashelmhttps://refracta.org22:46
brocashelmbased on devuan, uses no recommends for apt installs (meaning no metapackage problems)22:46
clemzIll give it a try.22:52
clemzrefracta_11_xfce_i386-20211114_0205.iso  This one?22:52
fsmithredmaybe you would prefer the amd6422:52
fsmithredi386 is 32-bit22:53
clemz:"c22:53
clemzi thought "i" was intel22:53
clemzNow we know how i got on Devuan 32-bit22:53
fsmithredit is, but amd runs i22:53
clemzGood-guy amd22:54
fsmithredthey had 64 first, so the name stuck.22:54
brocashelmi've been an intel user this whole time; upgraded to amd and have noticed smoother experiences22:54
brocashelmthe extra cores will help out tons with bloated software like gn*me and libreoffice22:55
fsmithredyeah, but you got a ryzen22:55
brocashelmyeah, the ryzen 5 3600 (the affordable cpu; 6 cores and 12 threads)22:56
brocashelmfor my first build22:56
brocashelmeven without an aio cooler, it stays at a steady 35-40 C22:56
clemznemo: I tried Devuan base twice so i figure this time a derivative may add or optimize a bit.23:03
gandhii_are there any derivatives that haven't been abandoned?23:07
brocashelmgandhii_: have you tried any from this list? https://www.devuan.org/os/devuan-distros23:10
fsmithredI think most of them have not been abandoned.23:10
brocashelmgandhii_: i use refracta and it's still going (the developer is right there ^)23:10
brocashelmexe gnu/linux still exists if you want a devuan with trinity desktop23:10
clemz:o23:10
brocashelmgnuinos if you want a libre version of devuan23:11
clemzSo base devuan isn't final form libre?23:15
brocashelmno, it's just debian without systemd23:18
brocashelmhence why there are derivatives that put their own spin23:18
brocashelmthere's also peppermintos devuan coming soon23:19

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