linux_n | Anyone know how to install tlpui on devuan? | 00:20 |
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___used | How come Mr. Jackson does not run Devuan? Since he resigned from Debian due to init-agnosticity being repealed? https://www.theregister.com/2022/07/25/upgrading_probably_the_worlds_oldest/ | 19:46 |
clemz | Still new to devuan, I haven't been able to get files to execute like with other distros. Is there something im missing? | 20:41 |
brocashelm | clemz: what files are you trying to run? | 20:54 |
golinux | And on what release? | 20:55 |
fsmithred | clemz, 'su -' to become root will give you the correct PATH. Otherwise, use the full path to the command. | 21:02 |
furrymcgee | maybe /etc/rc.local | 21:05 |
clemz | brocashelm: The Godot executable | 21:34 |
fsmithred | Is there an error message, or are you just waiting for it? | 21:56 |
___used | maybe-relevant https://godotengine.org/qa/37460/standalone-executable | 21:57 |
brocashelm | clemz: works for me (downloaded 64-bit binary). have you checked that it's executable? run chmod +x on the file | 21:57 |
brocashelm | from here: https://godotengine.org/download/linux | 21:57 |
clemz | That last comment is the one i downloaded. i ran ./[Filename] and got "cannot execute binary file: Exec format error" | 21:59 |
clemz | Does chmod need to be done as root or with sudo? | 22:00 |
fsmithred | trying to run 64-bit in 32-bit environment? | 22:00 |
fsmithred | that's where I've seen that error. | 22:00 |
clemz | How can i check? I believe I installed the newest Devuan 64-bit. uname says i686 | 22:02 |
___used | uname -a | 22:02 |
___used | Does it say something like `Linux beowulf 4.19.0-20-amd64 ...` <- | 22:03 |
* ___used must upgrade the kernel. | 22:03 | |
clemz | SMP Debian 5.10 | 22:06 |
___used | That is not the output of uname -a | 22:06 |
___used | Post the output of uname -a. 99% you're on 64 bits unless resurrected boat anchor at least 10 years old. | 22:06 |
clemz | Linux 5.10.0-16-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 5.10.127-1 (2022-06-30) i686 GNU/Linux | 22:09 |
___used | Ho hum. | 22:09 |
___used | Please paste the output from: cat /proc/cpuinfo|grep 'model name' | 22:11 |
furrymcgee | ima that is 32 bit kernel, should be x86_64 not i686 | 22:11 |
___used | Yes, but let's see if he is not on a 32 bit cpu... | 22:11 |
clemz | model name: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770S CPU @ 3.10GHz | 22:12 |
___used | Before suggesting an upgrade to 64 | 22:12 |
___used | Yeah, ok, upgrade. | 22:12 |
___used | To 64 bit kernel and system. | 22:13 |
clemz | Am i on Devuan 32bit? | 22:13 |
___used | Yes. | 22:14 |
___used | How did you install? From live? | 22:14 |
clemz | Yeah, from a usb | 22:14 |
___used | Why did you choose the -pae kernel? | 22:14 |
___used | Was it the only choice? | 22:14 |
clemz | I grabbed the newest Devuan i could find and slapped it on a usb. | 22:15 |
clemz | from the main site | 22:15 |
___used | ... | 22:15 |
debdog | to many intel CPU users installing an amd64 kernel sounds weird | 22:15 |
___used | There is serious naming confusion, that's why debdog | 22:15 |
clemz | Crazy that this system has been suiting 80% of my needs. Seems like I should have been having more issues. | 22:16 |
___used | Is there a specific guide for 32 to 6 Devuan migration, or does one use the generic one? https://wiki.debian.org/Migrate32To64Bit | 22:16 |
___used | >> experts? | 22:17 |
___used | clemz: nothing wrong with 32 bit systems. | 22:17 |
fsmithred | I didn't know it was possible. | 22:17 |
___used | I think I had to do it the other way round once, not on Debian. | 22:17 |
fsmithred | seems like you'd have to reinstall all the important bits of the OS> | 22:17 |
debdog | no, clemz. 32bit system runs just fine on that CPU (some software, esp. older ones, might even run better than on 64bit) | 22:17 |
___used | clemz: any good reason not to reinstall 64 bit clean? Save /home before that. | 22:18 |
clemz | Yeah I can do a clean reinstall | 22:19 |
___used | Just save your $HOME and restore it afterwards. | 22:19 |
___used | tshepang's answer seems okay to me albeit tedious https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/40463/how-to-convert-a-32-bit-x86-debian-based-system-to-64-bit | 22:21 |
___used | at "TL;DR: It is doable, but complicated. ... | 22:22 |
clemz | Thank you for all the help. Is there a Devuan Derivitive someone can recommend for desktop/development? | 22:24 |
___used | https://www.devuan.org/os/devuan-distros | 22:25 |
nemo | clemz: why a derivative? | 22:32 |
* _ds_ recalls doing that i386→amd64 transition years ago now, but forgets the details | 22:35 | |
brocashelm | clemz: you | 22:45 |
brocashelm | c | 22:45 |
brocashelm | ou | 22:45 |
brocashelm | l | 22:45 |
brocashelm | wtf | 22:45 |
brocashelm | clemz: you could try refracta | 22:46 |
brocashelm | https://refracta.org | 22:46 |
brocashelm | based on devuan, uses no recommends for apt installs (meaning no metapackage problems) | 22:46 |
clemz | Ill give it a try. | 22:52 |
clemz | refracta_11_xfce_i386-20211114_0205.iso This one? | 22:52 |
fsmithred | maybe you would prefer the amd64 | 22:52 |
fsmithred | i386 is 32-bit | 22:53 |
clemz | :"c | 22:53 |
clemz | i thought "i" was intel | 22:53 |
clemz | Now we know how i got on Devuan 32-bit | 22:53 |
fsmithred | it is, but amd runs i | 22:53 |
clemz | Good-guy amd | 22:54 |
fsmithred | they had 64 first, so the name stuck. | 22:54 |
brocashelm | i've been an intel user this whole time; upgraded to amd and have noticed smoother experiences | 22:54 |
brocashelm | the extra cores will help out tons with bloated software like gn*me and libreoffice | 22:55 |
fsmithred | yeah, but you got a ryzen | 22:55 |
brocashelm | yeah, the ryzen 5 3600 (the affordable cpu; 6 cores and 12 threads) | 22:56 |
brocashelm | for my first build | 22:56 |
brocashelm | even without an aio cooler, it stays at a steady 35-40 C | 22:56 |
clemz | nemo: I tried Devuan base twice so i figure this time a derivative may add or optimize a bit. | 23:03 |
gandhii_ | are there any derivatives that haven't been abandoned? | 23:07 |
brocashelm | gandhii_: have you tried any from this list? https://www.devuan.org/os/devuan-distros | 23:10 |
fsmithred | I think most of them have not been abandoned. | 23:10 |
brocashelm | gandhii_: i use refracta and it's still going (the developer is right there ^) | 23:10 |
brocashelm | exe gnu/linux still exists if you want a devuan with trinity desktop | 23:10 |
clemz | :o | 23:10 |
brocashelm | gnuinos if you want a libre version of devuan | 23:11 |
clemz | So base devuan isn't final form libre? | 23:15 |
brocashelm | no, it's just debian without systemd | 23:18 |
brocashelm | hence why there are derivatives that put their own spin | 23:18 |
brocashelm | there's also peppermintos devuan coming soon | 23:19 |
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