| luiz | how do I manage network interfaces on devuan? | 00:57 |
|---|---|---|
| brocashelm | luiz: graphical options are network-manager and connman currently, but you can also try the cli method | 01:05 |
| brocashelm | have a look here: https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/chimaera/network-configuration | 01:06 |
| luiz | also, is there like a reverse guide, from systemd to sysvinit | 01:17 |
| luiz | all i can find is sysvinit >> systemd | 01:18 |
| brocashelm | are you converting a debian install? | 01:25 |
| brocashelm | devuan by default uses sysvinit | 01:25 |
| luiz | yes | 01:25 |
| brocashelm | have you looked into the migration guide? one second | 01:25 |
| luiz | no i mean, i've already installed it | 01:26 |
| luiz | it's just like i'm kinda lost in the whole system configuration aspect of it | 01:26 |
| luiz | sysvinit documentation is a lot harder to find | 01:26 |
| brocashelm | if you're using devuan's repos, choosing to install sysvinit-core should automatically install elogind and remove systemd | 01:27 |
| brocashelm | https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/chimaera/bullseye-to-chimaera | 01:27 |
| brocashelm | sysvinit stuff is done through sudo service command | 01:28 |
| luiz | what's the best alternative for journalctl? | 01:30 |
| luiz | just cat /var/log/syslog? | 01:30 |
| brocashelm | devuan has a few forked versions of packages like rsyslog | 01:31 |
| brocashelm | is there a way to remove libapparmor1 safely? | 06:42 |
| gnarface | not sure, maybe run "apt-cache rdepends libapparmor1" and see if you can do without all of that? | 07:32 |
| brocashelm | gnarface: the results: https://dpaste.org/S3uOd | 07:34 |
| brocashelm | maybe it's because of dbus-daemon? which i probably need for a desktop environment | 07:34 |
| gnarface | it is kinda hard to do without dbus i think | 07:35 |
| gnarface | there might be some window managers that don't need it still | 07:35 |
| gnarface | you'll probably have to ditch the gui login though | 07:36 |
| gnarface | someone around here was mentioning having done some research into it | 07:36 |
| debdog | but that list does not tell which packages actually get removed, I thnk? | 07:36 |
| gnarface | that just tells the list of other packages that depend on it currently i think | 07:37 |
| brocashelm | i don't use a display manager (startx) | 07:37 |
| gnarface | maybe just use not depend | 07:37 |
| debdog | if other software still requires dbus-daemon it won't be removed. | 07:37 |
| brocashelm | i do use xfce, though | 07:37 |
| debdog | aptitude remove libapparmor1 should tell you which ones are uninstalled without removing them unless the uses agrees (Press "Y") | 07:38 |
| brocashelm | https://dpaste.org/o0nxJ | 07:39 |
| debdog | well, or just "Enter" | 07:39 |
| brocashelm | impossible to remove | 07:39 |
| debdog | oh, we're just talking _lib_ | 07:39 |
| debdog | sorry, missed that part. why would you wanna remove it? | 07:40 |
| brocashelm | i don't use apparmor | 07:40 |
| brocashelm | never understood why dbus had a hard dependency on it | 07:40 |
| debdog | but _lib_anything is just a lib. | 07:41 |
| brocashelm | oh... | 07:41 |
| onefang | fsmithred has a non dbus version of rofracta I think. | 07:57 |
| brocashelm | yes, i have a vm of it installed | 08:07 |
| brocashelm | it uses openbox with lxpanel | 08:07 |
| brocashelm | interesting experiment (could upgrade all the way to ceres) | 08:07 |
| brocashelm | only problem is i can't easily log out (but that can be fixed with a custom script) | 08:07 |
| onefang | Interesting, I use openbox and lxpanel, and I don't care about logging out. I'll have to have a look. | 08:09 |
| brocashelm | i think he just uploaded a daedalus iso | 08:11 |
| brocashelm | nope, guess there isn't; nothing here aside from the beowulf one: https://get.refracta.org/files/experimental/?2022 | 08:12 |
| furrymcgee | at least xdm does not require dbus | 12:32 |
| fsmithred | brocashelm, onefang here's a new nodbus iso (amd64 only right now) https://get.refracta.org/files/experimental/refracta_11_nodbus-20220726_1432.iso | 17:26 |
| fsmithred | brocashelm, what do you mean you can't log out? | 17:26 |
| onefang | Cool. | 17:31 |
| fsmithred | onefang, I think the beowulf version only had links2, but this new one has firefox-esr and tor-browser | 17:37 |
| onefang | firefox-esr is my main browser. | 17:39 |
| fsmithred | have fun. bbl. | 17:40 |
| onefang | I got work to do, no fun allowed. lol | 17:40 |
| DashiePie | oh, goodie, my favorite sign, no fun allowed | 17:52 |
| DashiePie | /s | 17:52 |
| brocashelm | fsmithred: when i try to log out through the menu, it gives me an error message that there isn't a program to execute that or something | 19:56 |
| brocashelm | it's fine, though. i can just run sudo poweroff/reboot or kill my x session to go back to tty | 19:56 |
| fsmithred | brocashelm, if you allow sudo for shutdown, then the right-click menu on the desktop will let you reboot or shutdown. | 20:44 |
| hagbard | libfluidsynth-dev depends on libsystemd-dev. Should libfluidsynth-dev be forked? | 21:03 |
| hagbard | That dependancy also prevents the upgrade of libsdl2-mixer-2.0-0 and libsdl2-mixer-dev. | 21:04 |
| hagbard | And breaks elogind. | 21:07 |
| hagbard | or rather the package libelogind-compat | 21:08 |
| hagbard | (in testing) | 21:12 |
| ___used | Does libfluidsynth non dev depend on libsystemd-dev? If not, I assume it uses logging functions only, and should be forked. | 21:19 |
| ___used | *depend on libsystemd | 21:20 |
| ___used | Beowulf: `ldd /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libfluidsynth.so.1.7.2|grep systemd` -> libsystemd.so.0 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libsystemd.so.0 (0x00007f172e6ef000) | 21:21 |
| ___used | hagbard: that is the stub supplied with Devuan I think. | 21:21 |
| ___used | `ls -l /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libsystemd.so.0` -> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libsystemd.so.0 -> libelogind.so.0 | 21:22 |
| ___used | hagbard: | 21:22 |
| ___used | Seems like it is a stub. Others here know more. | 21:22 |
| ___used | libelogind is systemd-free here | 21:23 |
| hagbard | its libsystemd-dev, that drags in systemd | 21:24 |
| furrymcgee | they #include <systemd/sd-daemon.h> for sd_notify ready/stopping | 21:33 |
| furrymcgee | why not write(2,...) | 21:36 |
| fsmithred | install libelogind0 to replace libsystemd0 | 21:37 |
| fsmithred | oh, that was already said. | 21:37 |
| hagbard | libelogind0 is already installed | 22:27 |
| hagbard | the dependencys want to install libsystemd0 instead and to remove packages that belong to elogind, such as libelogind-compat | 22:28 |
| tinerci | Hi, | 22:29 |
| tinerci | I cant get multiple monitors working, only the main one works and is shown as "default" in xfce settings | 22:31 |
| tinerci | I could not find much information with search engines and all my x11 drivers seem to be installed | 22:31 |
| tinerci | I read that you must install propietary firmware. I would not like to and could not find the name | 22:33 |
| tinerci | I am sorry to bother yall with such a stupid problem, which is probably solvebal in < 5 min | 22:33 |
| debdog | with "xrandr --prop" you can check which screens are detected, tinerci. ideally paste it (preferably paste.debian.org) so everyone can have a look | 22:35 |
| debdog | and: are the screens connected to the same GPU? (onboard vs. addirional adapter) | 22:37 |
| debdog | also, is it a laptop? | 22:38 |
| _ds_ | Also, what GPU? | 22:39 |
| debdog | hehe, so many questions... | 22:40 |
| tinerci | here is the output of xrand --prop: | 22:41 |
| tinerci | paste.debian.net/1248435 | 22:41 |
| tinerci | its a desktop system with a rx 5600 xt, its the only gpu and all screens are working when i liveboot something like mint | 22:42 |
| debdog | that does not resemble xrandr's output at all | 22:43 |
| tinerci | should i share a screenshot ? | 22:43 |
| tinerci | its a fresh install btw | 22:43 |
| debdog | are you sure that is the correct link? | 22:44 |
| tinerci | my bad i checked again, i am texting from my phone for convenience | 22:44 |
| debdog | haha, you're funny | 22:45 |
| tinerci | https://paste.debian.net/1248453/ | 22:45 |
| onefang | Did you try a Devuan live boot? | 22:45 |
| tinerci | I used netinstall, as I wanted to use openrc from the beginning | 22:46 |
| onefang | You said it worked with a Mint live boot, so I'm wondering if it works with a Devuan live boot. | 22:47 |
| _ds_ | RX 5600 XT – should have no problem with multiple displays. | 22:47 |
| tinerci | i booted up the devuan live boot from my ventoy and it works flawlessly | 22:48 |
| _ds_ | And yes, you do need firmware-amd-graphics. | 22:48 |
| debdog | ok, seems like a driver issue. xrander should list three to four displayports (dp-X) for that hardware. so missing firmware seems possible | 22:48 |
| _ds_ | Depends – my card has 2×HDMI & 2×DP | 22:48 |
| _ds_ | (6600XT, but I had a 5600XT before it, same config) | 22:49 |
| debdog | right, might be vendor specific | 22:49 |
| onefang | That's the same card I got. No problems with multi monitor. I use openbox though. | 22:50 |
| debdog | let's say *three to four connectors ;) | 22:50 |
| onefang | Using firmware-amd-graphics and the latest backport kernel. | 22:50 |
| tinerci | alright i just booted into my install, but apt is not able to find firmware-amd-graphics | 22:53 |
| tinerci | I checked sources.list and the non free repos are active | 22:53 |
| fsmithred | apt update | 22:53 |
| onefang | firmware-amd-graphics is in non-free. | 22:54 |
| onefang | I just double checked. | 22:54 |
| tinerci | i did apt update and it is also tells me that it is scraping from pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged but I am still not able to use non free packages | 22:56 |
| tinerci | i never worked with apt before and am not that knowledable about it | 22:57 |
| fsmithred | non free should be non-free in sources.list | 22:57 |
| fsmithred | ok, pull the package from the /firmware directory on the installation media and install it with dpkg -i | 22:59 |
| tinerci | the output of my /etc/apt/sources.list https://paste.debian.net/1248458 | 22:59 |
| tinerci | thank you for the tip i will try it now | 23:00 |
| _ds_ | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera main contrib non-free | 23:00 |
| fsmithred | line 6 | 23:00 |
| fsmithred | needs contrib and non-free added | 23:00 |
| _ds_ | Similarly with the following deb-src line (if you want to be able to get sources too) | 23:01 |
| tinerci | yes indeed i am stupid | 23:02 |
| tinerci | thank you it installed the package and my monitors are working | 23:02 |
| debdog | hehe. selbsterkenntnis ist der erste weg zur besserung (nicht ernst gemeint) | 23:02 |
| onefang | Yay! | 23:03 |
| tinerci | hahaha ist aber wahr! | 23:03 |
| debdog | glad it's solved! | 23:03 |
| tinerci | thank you to everyone! | 23:03 |
| onefang | You are welcome. | 23:03 |
| eyalroz | So... good evening, dear Devuan peops :-) | 23:09 |
| eyalroz | Congrats on last month's Linux Pro coverage | 23:09 |
| eyalroz | ... and I have a question. | 23:10 |
| onefang | Ask your question. | 23:11 |
| eyalroz | So, Deadalus... how stable is it, at the moment? | 23:11 |
| eyalroz | ... for a dist-upgrade from chimaera | 23:11 |
| eyalroz | Last year I had a mostly-painless upgrade to chimaera, | 23:14 |
| eyalroz | but I did post an 11-part series about the various issues I did experience: | 23:14 |
| eyalroz | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=4425 | 23:14 |
| fsmithred | last I checked (few weeks ago) it was still 50-100 updates/week | 23:14 |
| eyalroz | and another question is whether you'd recommend an installer ISO instead of the dist-upgrade route | 23:15 |
| fsmithred | 235 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them. | 23:15 |
| fsmithred | fresh install vs upgrade is a personal choice. I would not attempt to make that choice for you. | 23:16 |
| fsmithred | either way works | 23:16 |
| fsmithred | I guess upgrade might be tricky with some third-party apps. | 23:17 |
| eyalroz | Ok, but - no big gotchas to watch out for. Good :-) | 23:19 |
| onefang | Other than it's officially unstable ... you get to keep the pieces. | 23:19 |
| fsmithred | you might add the ceres repo and pin it to a lower priority. That way if something breaks on an upgrade, you can get the fix sooner. | 23:31 |
| brocashelm | IME, it's better to pick between stable (chimaera) and unstable (ceres) | 23:40 |
| brocashelm | packages from ceres go down to daedalus/testing, and can take up to ten days (IIRC) for any bug fixes to be applied downstream. ceres usually gets patched up on the spot | 23:40 |
| brocashelm | and ceres hasn't really been getting a lot of new updates for me, which means ceres and daedalus are almost close enough in versioning | 23:41 |
| brocashelm | i update daily | 23:41 |
| fsmithred | my last daedalus upgrade was July 10, so that's around 100 packages/week | 23:49 |
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