| fatal | hello, is there a devuan aarch64 specific channel or can i ask here? | 09:53 |
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| gnarface | fatal: #devuan-arm | 10:00 |
| fatal | thx | 10:31 |
| Guest32 | Why is it not recommended to use OpenRC in devuan? | 11:42 |
| lts | Guest32: sure you can use it. The reason for caution is that it is really a wrapper for sysvinit in Devuan | 11:46 |
| Guest32 | I'll just stick to traditional sysvinit then. Will I have to write my own scripts? | 11:47 |
| lts | There are packages which only provide a systemd service, but fortunately they are not that common. Depends on what you plan to run. Likely someone has already done the work for you even then, and you can find a working script with short searching | 11:49 |
| Guest32 | What's the name of that debian package of the entire collection of sysvinit scripts already made? | 11:50 |
| lts | https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/orphan-sysvinit-scripts perhaps? | 11:52 |
| Guest32 | Will I not be allowed to use third party repos that say debian in the repo name on devuan? | 11:52 |
| Guest32 | As in it won't work on devuan. | 11:53 |
| lts | You'll have to test, but I've not had issues with the few such repos I use | 11:53 |
| onefang | orphan-sysvinit-scripts IS in the Devuan package repos. | 11:54 |
| onefang | And most of our package mirrors redirect to Debian package mirrors for packages that we dont fork / add. | 11:55 |
| Tables_ | Does Devuan have a delta update server like Debian? | 18:42 |
| golinux | In over 7 years, I have never head the words "delta update server" on any Devuan channels. | 18:45 |
| gnarface | what is a delta update server? | 18:46 |
| golinux | But then server stuff is not my thing | 18:46 |
| Tables_ | http://debdelta.debian.net/ | 18:46 |
| Tables_ | TL;DR- Debian has a server for x64 to provide package diffs as upgrades over clearnet and onions | 18:47 |
| Tables_ | This allows for extremely small upgrade cycles which are faster and conserve bandwidth. | 18:48 |
| fsmithred | debdelta is in the repo. If it just uses whatever is in sources.list, then it probably works in devuan. | 19:02 |
| fsmithred | oh, it uses debdeltas.debian.net and we don't have an equivalent. | 19:04 |
| fsmithred | and that page is not kept updated. They think squeeze is stable. | 19:05 |
| Tables_ | The repo is updated: https://debdeltas.debian.net/ | 19:06 |
| Tables_ | The actual program is also hosted at gitlab and kept updated | 19:06 |
| furrymcgee | are those deltas of deb or deb-src packages? | 19:06 |
| Tables_ | of deb | 19:06 |
| furrymcgee | do they not the provide sources? | 19:06 |
| Tables_ | To each diff? I have no idea. | 19:07 |
| Tables_ | They provide the diffs | 19:07 |
| Tables_ | https://debdeltas.debian.net/logs.txt | https://debdeltas.debian.net/one_day.html | 19:08 |
| Tables_ | All they are doing is calculating the difference between packages and wrapping it up while keeping track of N levels deep of diffs. | 19:09 |
| bb|hcb | Tables_: No, there is no such service in Devuan. BTW. In recent years bandwidth is increasing everywhere and that will make that service not optimal - it is faster to get the full update, instead of the diff | 19:15 |
| Tables_ | I mean, in any sort of bandwidth constrained scenario it is nice. Data caps, Tor, DSL, Sat, LTE, PTP-WiFi, or other scenarios. | 19:16 |
| Tables_ | It is the same principal CPUs use for power savings in time to idle | 19:17 |
| furrymcgee | I think the package maintainers are responsible for sensible package sizes | 19:51 |
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