| gandhii_ | didn't work... or I just don't know what I am doing | 00:57 |
|---|---|---|
| rrq | "F1 = choose session type" .. is that what you look for? | 01:16 |
| rrq | (i.e. function key F1) | 01:16 |
| golinux | gandhii: Yes . . . how to choose the session is right on the slim login screen as rrq described. | 01:31 |
| golinux | https://dev1galaxy.org/files/deepsea-slim-sm.png | 01:31 |
| golinux | I have also heard that slim can be a bit unreliable for sessions. I don't use that feature so can't speak from personal experience. | 01:32 |
| fsmithred | gandhii, were there any choices other than xfce when you ran that command? What other desktops are installed? | 02:03 |
| fsmithred | update-alternatives --configure x-window-manager | 02:04 |
| fsmithred | if you just have a window manager. That worked for me to choose jwm, but it loses its default status if I go into xfce. | 02:05 |
| Xenguy | Linux is... coooooooooooooolllllllllllllllllllll | 03:58 |
| Xenguy | That is all | 03:59 |
| NeverAlone | It is indeed | 04:11 |
| Xenguy | Been a journey, still lovin' it | 04:13 |
| Helenah | Hi | 14:04 |
| Helenah | I need some help finding the *_server.iso image for chimaera. I've been rummaging around in here but can't seem to find it: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/chimaera/main/installer-amd64/current/images/ | 14:05 |
| Helenah | HAH, found it! :D | 14:10 |
| Helenah | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_chimaera/installer-iso/devuan_chimaera_4.0.0_amd64_server.iso | 14:10 |
| furrymcgee | the first links to mini.iso images with debian-installer | 14:15 |
| Helenah | Why does the installation disc need to constantly try touching /var/run/br1tty-Xorg? It will only say "No such file or directory" because part of the path is missing... | 14:20 |
| Helenah | doesn't exist | 14:21 |
| Helenah | Will this stop touching? | 14:21 |
| Helenah | I've entered a busybox shell to see what the problem is but it's just spamming this all over the cli... | 14:23 |
| Helenah | "Requires more RAM than documented" according to searches. | 14:25 |
| Helenah | . | 14:25 |
| Helenah | This can't be run in 512 MB RAM? I only want to run an IRCd... | 14:25 |
| Wonka | .oO( https://openwrt.org/packages/pkgdata/ngircd ) | 14:28 |
| Helenah | Wonka: I'm going to be using chary. | 14:30 |
| Helenah | I just need to get Devuan to install. | 14:30 |
| Helenah | I'm sure I ran chary in 32 MB RAM not long ago. | 14:30 |
| Helenah | So why am I needing 1024 MB these days? | 14:30 |
| Helenah | I'm gonna look for another distro. Thank you for your time. | 14:31 |
| fsmithred | Helenah, you might have better luck with the minimal-live iso | 14:32 |
| Helenah | Oh | 14:32 |
| fsmithred | I can test that in qemu for you with 512 | 14:32 |
| fsmithred | hang on | 14:32 |
| Helenah | fsmithred: Thanks :D | 14:32 |
| Helenah | That's if you already have it downloaded. | 14:33 |
| fsmithred | lol, yes. | 14:33 |
| Helenah | I don't want you doing the same effort I could do myself. | 14:33 |
| fsmithred | I made it. | 14:33 |
| Helenah | Ah! | 14:33 |
| Helenah | Nice | 14:33 |
| Helenah | But yea I should be able to run a non-systemd distro in 512 MB RAM. | 14:33 |
| furrymcgee | the mini iso should probably fit | 14:33 |
| fsmithred | 2G ram is required for encrypted root fs now. | 14:33 |
| Helenah | o.O | 14:34 |
| Helenah | That's weird... lol | 14:34 |
| Wonka | I am running raspbian on an Raspberry Pi 1B, where `free -h` announces total memory of 303Mi | 14:34 |
| Helenah | This is a VPS. | 14:35 |
| Helenah | on my hypervisor | 14:35 |
| Helenah | I'm extremely conservative. | 14:35 |
| Helenah | But I'm extremely secure too. | 14:35 |
| Wonka | run a bigger VPS and docker containers in it? | 14:35 |
| Helenah | Though... I find it hard to believe that encrypted root fs should require 2G RAM when in the past it wouldn't have. | 14:35 |
| Wonka | also... it should be possible. Haven't installed a Devuan vm for some time now, though. | 14:36 |
| Helenah | I'm not saying it doesn't require it, but I don't believe it ha to. | 14:36 |
| Helenah | *has | 14:36 |
| Helenah | The concept itself | 14:36 |
| Helenah | Either way I'm gonna strip this system back a bit. | 14:36 |
| fsmithred | are you new to this? Everything always gets bigger with each release. | 14:37 |
| Helenah | fsmithred: No | 14:37 |
| Helenah | I've been stripping systems since 2005 and I'm aware | 14:37 |
| fsmithred | ok. I just booted minimal-live with 512, no problems. | 14:38 |
| Helenah | In 2015 I ran a server with only 32 MB RAM and it was hosting an IRCd (Charybdis) and IRC services (Atheme) | 14:38 |
| Helenah | Thanks | 14:38 |
| Helenah | 512 will do :) | 14:38 |
| fsmithred | fair warning: it does not use the usual debian/devuan iinstaller | 14:38 |
| Helenah | I don't give a flying crap about an installer, it's insignificant. lol | 14:38 |
| Helenah | Thank you. :) | 14:38 |
| * Helenah looks for mini install | 14:39 | |
| Helenah | 12:32:19 fsmithred | Helenah, you might have better luck with the minimal-live iso | 14:39 |
| Helenah | Okies | 14:39 |
| Helenah | thanks | 14:39 |
| Helenah | Got it, thanks | 14:39 |
| fsmithred | gimme a yell if you need help | 14:39 |
| Helenah | WAIT | 14:40 |
| fsmithred | the installer copies the running system | 14:40 |
| Helenah | This won't install a WM/DE, right? | 14:40 |
| furrymcgee | debootstrap if you dont need installer | 14:40 |
| Helenah | It doesn't say "server" in the filename. | 14:40 |
| fsmithred | no, literally rsync copy of the running system | 14:40 |
| Helenah | Ah :) | 14:40 |
| fsmithred | which has no xorg | 14:40 |
| Helenah | Phew! | 14:40 |
| * Helenah almost paniced | 14:40 | |
| Helenah | lol | 14:41 |
| fsmithred | it does have non-free firmware installed, and there's a script to remove it. | 14:41 |
| Helenah | hmm | 14:41 |
| Helenah | fsmithred: Wow nice | 14:41 |
| Helenah | Cause only free firmware required | 14:41 |
| Helenah | There is nothing special on this VM | 14:41 |
| fsmithred | yeah, but there are devices out there with no ethernet port | 14:42 |
| fsmithred | that's why we do that | 14:42 |
| Helenah | Yes | 14:42 |
| Helenah | "no ethernet port" | 14:42 |
| Helenah | WHA?! | 14:42 |
| Helenah | o.O | 14:42 |
| * Helenah pukes | 14:42 | |
| fsmithred | lot of new laptops are wireless only | 14:42 |
| Helenah | . | 14:42 |
| Helenah | So lets say wireless don't work and it's always the case that ethernet most likely will... | 14:43 |
| Helenah | Does one have to punch the crap out of their brain in the process of fixing things? lol | 14:43 |
| fsmithred | usb ethernet dongle | 14:43 |
| Helenah | Damn manufacturers these days lol | 14:43 |
| fsmithred | Helenah, login:password for live isos devuan:devuan and root:toor | 14:45 |
| fsmithred | As root, run: refractainstaller | 14:45 |
| Helenah | thanks | 14:52 |
| Helenah | Ah, this feels like a walk in the park! <3 | 14:54 |
| Helenah | Thanks :D | 14:55 |
| Helenah | fsmithred: I feel nostalgic! <3 | 14:59 |
| Wonka | Back when Things Just Worked :) | 14:59 |
| Helenah | How do I continue after partitioning disk? I used cfdisk, I press 4 to continue and it says "GParted is not installed" | 15:00 |
| Helenah | Yes, I'm unable to proceed, it won't listen to my input. | 15:02 |
| Helenah | Nvm, finally figured it. There is a bug, not sure where to report. | 15:05 |
| Helenah | It's a minor bug though, you can work around it. | 15:05 |
| fsmithred | Helenah, I think you selected the wrong thing | 15:13 |
| fsmithred | regarding gparted | 15:13 |
| fsmithred | submit@bugs.devuan.org descriptive subject line, first line of text says, Package: refractainstaller-base | 15:14 |
| Helenah | I selected 3 for cfdisk, that pops up but when you have finished and you fall back to that prompt then it takes no notice of input. | 15:14 |
| Helenah | Thanks | 15:14 |
| Helenah | I'll do that in a bit. | 15:14 |
| Helenah | Why is it recommended to disable sudo? It's a more secure way of executing commands as root. If you do "su root" for example then you are a risk of forgetting to do "exit" once you're finished while sudo will eventually time out leaving anyone to come along no access to the root shell. That time out can be configured to be shorter too. | 15:17 |
| fsmithred | the installer is inherited from a respin distro. So to answer quickly, historical reasons | 15:18 |
| fsmithred | more important, I don't recall if the installer in the iso has a particular bugfix or not. You may end up in the sudo group even if you don't want to. | 15:19 |
| hagbard | I have this in my .bashrc, instead of sudo: suc() { su -s /bin/bash -c "$(printf "%q " "$@")"; } | 15:20 |
| Helenah | Ah | 15:21 |
| gnarface | su doesn't cache authentication though and requires a separate password, it's inherently more secure than the stock sudo config just because of that | 15:21 |
| gnarface | sudo "can be configured to..." isn't the same thing as the state it's shipped in | 15:22 |
| fsmithred | sudo is meant for fine-grained privs. | 15:22 |
| gnarface | or the state most people use it in | 15:22 |
| Helenah | hmm | 15:23 |
| Helenah | Yeah the state it's shipped in is terrible. | 15:23 |
| Helenah | That I will agree with. | 15:23 |
| gnarface | but if you were just going to set the root password to the same thing as your user password anyway then you probably wouldn't gain much by disabling sudo | 15:24 |
| Helenah | fsmithred: Yep | 15:24 |
| Helenah | gnarface: That's silly though. | 15:24 |
| Helenah | That just means your own user might as well be root... | 15:24 |
| Helenah | Same for sudo configured to not prompt for password. | 15:25 |
| gnarface | well, no, not quite, because filesystem permissions will still differ but it does lower security | 15:25 |
| Helenah | And I've known people do that, I've then pointed out the bad in it. | 15:25 |
| Helenah | gnarface: I was more meaning if | 15:25 |
| Helenah | one was to know the password of the user then think "Oh lets try passing to root" | 15:25 |
| gnarface | the truth is, you shouldn't be planning for unlocked terminals either way | 15:25 |
| Helenah | hmm | 15:26 |
| Helenah | Right got a boot problem and not sure how or what I've done wrong. lol | 15:26 |
| Helenah | But the hard disk isn't bootable it seems. hmm | 15:26 |
| gnarface | does it say why? | 15:27 |
| Helenah | It's unbootable so the BIOS literally said why. :D | 15:27 |
| Helenah | It hangs on booting from it. | 15:27 |
| Helenah | Suggestive that... GRUB is misconfigured probs. | 15:27 |
| fsmithred | did you get any questions about grub? | 15:28 |
| Helenah | But I don't understand, I told the installer to install GRUB to /dev/vda1 | 15:28 |
| fsmithred | in the installer | 15:28 |
| Helenah | Yes, whether or not I want to have grub installed and to where. | 15:28 |
| Helenah | So I put /dev/vda1 | 15:28 |
| fsmithred | why vda1? | 15:28 |
| fsmithred | better to put it in mbr | 15:29 |
| Helenah | Because that's what the device reported as in cfdisk. | 15:29 |
| fsmithred | in /dev/vda | 15:29 |
| Helenah | Which is normal for a VirtIO disk | 15:29 |
| Helenah | fsmithred: That's basically what I said... | 15:29 |
| Helenah | fsmithred: I didn't create a /boot partition because I didn't want one. I didn't need one. | 15:31 |
| fsmithred | is vda1 the root partition? | 15:31 |
| Helenah | Yes | 15:31 |
| Helenah | That's literally the one and only disk | 15:31 |
| Helenah | and the / partition is on there | 15:31 |
| fsmithred | ok, so doesn't vda have a master boot record? | 15:31 |
| fsmithred | I use sda... in my virt disks. | 15:32 |
| fsmithred | I didn't think vda was different except for the name | 15:32 |
| Helenah | In cfdisk I selected GPT | 15:32 |
| fsmithred | gpt with uefi or legacy bios? | 15:32 |
| Helenah | VirtIO has never shown as sda for me, ever | 15:32 |
| Helenah | legacy BIOS | 15:32 |
| fsmithred | ok, so second problem is you need a bios_grub partition | 15:33 |
| Helenah | Oh | 15:33 |
| fsmithred | at least 1MB size, not formatted | 15:33 |
| Helenah | Thanks. | 15:33 |
| fsmithred | in gdisk, that's ef02 | 15:34 |
| fsmithred | probably same in cfdisk | 15:34 |
| fsmithred | I never used cfdisk for gpt | 15:34 |
| fsmithred | Helenah, are you going to reinstall or try to fix it from the live session? | 15:39 |
| fsmithred | either way, if you're not using uefi, you'll need a bootloader in /dev/vda | 15:45 |
| fsmithred | or somewhere else to chain to the one in /dev/vda1 | 15:47 |
| fsmithred | afk, back soon | 15:48 |
| Helenah | This just simply won't boot :/ | 15:59 |
| Helenah | I changed the partition table to MBR... | 16:00 |
| Helenah | o.o | 16:00 |
| Helenah | Reinstalled, no difference. | 16:00 |
| Helenah | I'm not sure why this is soo difficult. o.o | 16:00 |
| Helenah | I install Arch Linux on all my client machines and that doesn't even have an installer... | 16:00 |
| Helenah | Oh well | 16:01 |
| furrymcgee | https://man.archlinux.org/listing/extra/arch-install-scripts/ | 16:05 |
| Helenah | I'm gonna come back to this in a bit. It's bogging my brain. lol | 16:09 |
| Helenah | Thank you once again for your support. :) | 16:09 |
| gnarface | you changed it to MBR type partitioning and you installed grub on /dev/vba instead of /dev/vba1 right? | 16:18 |
| Helenah | OH | 16:21 |
| Helenah | Damn | 16:21 |
| Helenah | I normally install on /dev/vda | 16:21 |
| Helenah | but... woops | 16:21 |
| Helenah | GUI slows me down, brain races ahead, mistakes happen. Thanks | 16:21 |
| Helenah | TUI too okies but thanks | 16:22 |
| Helenah | Booted :D | 16:35 |
| Helenah | Thanks | 16:35 |
| spac3r | hi, i upgraded beowulf xfce to chimaera on a mac mini 3,1. This solved the flicker and tearing at the bottom of the screen and grub loaded without the prompt. New was no network. Also colours were off in xfce, but not in video playback. Couldn't solve the 2 issues and did a clean install of ascii xfce. Ascii works out of the box, it boots and runs | 17:17 |
| spac3r | faster than chimaera and beowulf and much better than Mint 18. Support for debian stretch LTS stopped end of june 2022, any chance ascii will get updates? | 17:17 |
| fsmithred | spac3r, most of devuan is unchanged from debian. So when LTS stops, that's it. | 17:25 |
| fsmithred | if you were using wicd in beowulf, you would have lost that on upgrade to chimaera, where wicd doesn't exist. (Except for a metapackage which installs network-manager) | 17:26 |
| spac3r | fsmithred, i'd have to check again, i don't recall which network manager i used on beowulf. ip link show showed wireless card and usb0 down and couldn't change that | 17:44 |
| fsmithred | did you install the default desktop in beowulf? That would have given you xfce and wicd | 17:45 |
| fsmithred | and should have pulled in n-m automatically. If you installed wicd-gtk manually, you would miss the transition to n-m. | 17:46 |
| spac3r | yes, default desktop | 17:46 |
| fsmithred | that's weird, unless somehow the wicd metapackage got removed. | 17:49 |
| fsmithred | if you try it again, and you have no way to use a wire, switch to network-manager or connman before the upgrade. | 17:50 |
| spac3r | thanks, i'll keep that for reference. Steps were clean install ascii -> upgrade to beowulf -> upgrade chimaera, default settings | 17:52 |
| spac3r | it's unfortunate security updates aren't ported to older distros | 17:55 |
| fsmithred | Some are - mostly kernel. Check the debian package security info. | 17:57 |
| spac3r | fsmithred, did a quick search, for ascii in sources.list do i add the line 'deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free' ? | 18:14 |
| fsmithred | spac3r, no. Use ascii-security until ascii gets moved to archive.devuan.org | 18:16 |
| fsmithred | and then there will only be one line for ascii | 18:16 |
| fsmithred | did you not have an ascii-security line to begin with? | 18:17 |
| spac3r | Sorry, yes it has 'deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-security main contrib non-free' | 18:19 |
| fsmithred | don't use any debian repos directly. That's like having unprotected sex with a stranger. | 18:21 |
| spac3r | Check. So the devuan line currently updates security for ascii or? Is there a way to know when it's eol and possibly a new a new line is available | 18:25 |
| spac3r | -a new | 18:25 |
| fsmithred | we're already past the date when debian said that stretch would be archived | 18:35 |
| fsmithred | and it hasn't | 18:36 |
| spac3r | Upgraded ascii on the mini to beowulf w/ default settings and the issues i had at the first try are gone. Responsiveness, network connection, wicd, dm fine, no tearing and flickering \0/ Sticking to the 4.19 kernel as long as possible | 21:02 |
| spac3r | Just the grub prompt came back after beowulf boots. How do you load grub.cfg automatically? | 21:03 |
| gnarface | spac3r: i think you just set the timeout to 0 | 21:18 |
| gnarface | check the docs | 21:18 |
| gnarface | oh, you mean it prompts you instead of actually running the menu? | 21:19 |
| gnarface | seems weird | 21:19 |
| gnarface | is it the auto-generated config or di you edit it? | 21:19 |
| gnarface | did* | 21:19 |
| spac3r | yes, switching on mini -> grub> _ | 21:20 |
| spac3r | correction, grub prompt before devuan loads | 21:21 |
| spac3r | i didn't edit it so auto-generated probably | 21:21 |
| gnarface | that usually only happens when something is wrong with the config | 21:23 |
| spac3r | i enter grub> configfile (hd3,gpt1)efi/devuan/grub.cfg -> devuan boots | 21:23 |
| gnarface | oh, i wonder if it's an efi thing | 21:23 |
| gnarface | you might be missing a package for that | 21:23 |
| gnarface | look for a package with grub and efi both in the name | 21:24 |
| gnarface | if you already have that, then make sure the boot entry is right in the config | 21:24 |
| gnarface | hmm, wait i guess it'd have to be | 21:24 |
| gnarface | for that matter if you're missing the package i was thinking of, i'm not sure manually running the config would work eeither | 21:25 |
| gnarface | that's really weird | 21:25 |
| spac3r | ascii didn't have this issue | 21:25 |
| gnarface | you sure the upgrade is complete? | 21:26 |
| gnarface | run this: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade | 21:26 |
| gnarface | fsmithred might have a better idea | 21:28 |
| fsmithred | huh? reading... | 21:28 |
| spac3r | i'll do that. i followed the steps upgrading ascii to beowolf to the letter. Neofetch: OS: Linux 3 (beowulf). Kernel: 4.19.0-21-amd64 | 21:29 |
| fsmithred | is it a uefi system? | 21:30 |
| fsmithred | grub-install && update-grub | 21:32 |
| fsmithred | if it's not uefi, then grub-install /dev/sda (or wherever) then update-grub | 21:32 |
| spac3r | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade : 0 installed, removed, 0 not upgraded | 21:41 |
| spac3r | grub-install && update-grub : installation finished. No error reported | 21:41 |
| spac3r | bash: update-grub: command not found | 21:41 |
| fsmithred | oh? | 21:45 |
| fsmithred | dpkg -l | grep grub | 21:45 |
| fsmithred | should be grub-efi-amd64 and grub-efi-amd64-bin | 21:46 |
| spac3r | looking how to find uefi status | 21:46 |
| fsmithred | ls /sys/firmware/efi | 21:47 |
| fsmithred | if it doesn't exist, you booted legacy | 21:47 |
| spac3r | dpkg -l | grep grub: grub-efi-amd64 and grub-efi-amd64-bin are listed | 21:47 |
| spac3r | sys/firmware/efi contains 3 folders, 5 plain text documents, no file names w/ uefi in it | 21:51 |
| fsmithred | that's ok | 21:51 |
| fsmithred | the efi dir would not exist in a legacy bios boot | 21:51 |
| fsmithred | I would not expect a path problem if any of those commands worked, and it looks like all but one did. | 21:52 |
| fsmithred | it should be /usr/sbin/update-grub See if that exists | 21:52 |
| fsmithred | if either of those is missing, make sure grub-common and grub2-common are installed | 21:54 |
| spac3r | grub-install -> shutdown -r now -> grub prompt -> devuan -> this is new: wicd: No wireless networks found -> sudo service networking restart -> wicd: No wireless networks found -> wicd wired: connects | 22:06 |
| spac3r | usr/sbin/update-grub is present | 22:07 |
| fsmithred | ok, so maybe you used 'su' to get root and your path is not complete | 22:07 |
| fsmithred | use 'su -' | 22:07 |
| fsmithred | or... | 22:07 |
| fsmithred | echo $PATH first and after doing that to see the difference | 22:07 |
| fsmithred | "first" meaning root as su | 22:08 |
| fsmithred | or else use the full path to the command to run it. | 22:09 |
| fsmithred | update-grub will create the boot menu | 22:09 |
| spac3r | like this? $ su - grub-install && update-grub | 22:10 |
| fsmithred | no | 22:10 |
| fsmithred | su - | 22:10 |
| fsmithred | then give root password | 22:10 |
| fsmithred | then run the grub commands. How did grub-install succeed and update-grub did not? | 22:11 |
| fsmithred | they're both in /usr/sbin/ | 22:12 |
| spac3r | su - | 22:15 |
| spac3r | [root] grub-install && update-grub | 22:15 |
| spac3r | no error this time - > reboot -> grub prompt :-/ | 22:15 |
| fsmithred | at grub prompt... | 22:17 |
| fsmithred | echo $prefix | 22:17 |
| fsmithred | after you get into the system, look to see what is in /boot/efi/EFI/ | 22:18 |
| fsmithred | and run efibootmgr to see which bootloader is listed as first in boot order. | 22:18 |
| spac3r | boot/efi/EFI/devuan contains fbx64.efi grubx64.efi shimx64.efi grub.cfg bootx64.csv | 22:21 |
| fsmithred | oh | 22:23 |
| fsmithred | apt remove grub-efi-amd64-signed | 22:23 |
| fsmithred | and then I think you have to do grub-install and update-grub again | 22:23 |
| spac3r | grub> echo $prefix | 22:24 |
| spac3r | (hd3,gpt1)/boot/grub | 22:24 |
| fsmithred | does that make sense for where stuff is installed? | 22:24 |
| fsmithred | first partition of fourth hard disk | 22:25 |
| spac3r | remove grub-efi-amd64-signed: ok | 22:33 |
| spac3r | gparted displays sda1 sda2 sda3. sda1 is fat32, mount point: /boot/efi. Size: 512 MiB, Flags: boot,esp. | 22:33 |
| spac3r | I don't see hd3 or gpt1 | 22:33 |
| spac3r | *dev/sda1 | 22:34 |
| fsmithred | how many disks are there? | 22:36 |
| spac3r | Contents /boot/grub/: x86_64-efi (folder) grub.cfg grubenv unicode.pf2 | 22:36 |
| spac3r | physical disks? 1 internal ssd | 22:37 |
| fsmithred | you know your way around grub command line at all? | 22:37 |
| spac3r | no | 22:39 |
| fsmithred | seems odd that grub thinks there are four disks | 22:39 |
| spac3r | i followed the installation and upgrade manual to the letter | 22:42 |
| fsmithred | ok, next time you boot into the system, run 'dpkg-reconfigure grub-efi-amd64' | 22:43 |
| fsmithred | maybe that will fix it | 22:43 |
| spac3r | wireless networking up again | 22:43 |
| fsmithred | what fixed that? | 22:44 |
| spac3r | reboots, wicd is set to automatic connection to wifi | 22:45 |
| spac3r | in terminal $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub-efi-amd64 | 22:51 |
| spac3r | 'The following Linux command line was extracted from /etc/default/grub or 'kopt' parameter in GRUB Legacy's menu.lst' | 22:51 |
| spac3r | Linux command line: | 22:51 |
| spac3r | Is allowed empty, right? | 22:51 |
| fsmithred | yes | 22:56 |
| fsmithred | menu.lst is pretty old | 22:56 |
| spac3r | Thank you very much for your time | 22:59 |
| spac3r | Next setting: Linux default command line: quiet | 22:59 |
| spac3r | Ok? | 22:59 |
| fsmithred | yeah, quiet is ok | 22:59 |
| fsmithred | brb | 23:00 |
| fsmithred | what does efibootmgr show for first one in boot order? | 23:04 |
| spac3r | still with grub-efi-amd64 'Force extra installation to EFI removable media path? Yes/No' | 23:06 |
| fsmithred | maybe yes in this case. Normally you shouldn't need that, but maybe you do. | 23:07 |
| spac3r | ok | 23:07 |
| spac3r | next setting is 'Update NVRAM variables to autom. boot into Debian?' Default Yes? | 23:08 |
| fsmithred | uh... | 23:08 |
| fsmithred | is there a /boot/efi/EFI/debian? | 23:09 |
| fsmithred | I guess yes | 23:10 |
| fsmithred | get through this and then lets see how many bootloaders you have and what the order is. | 23:10 |
| spac3r | yes there is, the same files as in /boot/efi/EFI/devuan w/ diff. modification dates | 23:11 |
| fsmithred | ok | 23:11 |
| fsmithred | and one called BOOT now? | 23:11 |
| fsmithred | which dir has later mod times? | 23:12 |
| fsmithred | or files | 23:12 |
| spac3r | in both folders a file BOOTX64.CSV, the one in devuan folder is more recent | 23:12 |
| spac3r | BOOTX64.CSV in devuan seems to have been placed after the grub-install && update-grub command | 23:13 |
| spac3r | should i copy the files in the devuan folder to the debian folder and select Yes in the setting 'Update NVRAM variables to automatically boot into Debian?' | 23:15 |
| fsmithred | no | 23:15 |
| fsmithred | efibootmgr will show you the boot order | 23:15 |
| fsmithred | and might let you change it | 23:15 |
| spac3r | sudo efibootmgr | 23:21 |
| spac3r | BootCurrent: 0002 | 23:21 |
| spac3r | BootOrder: 0002,0001,0080,000 | 23:21 |
| spac3r | Boot0000* ubuntu | 23:21 |
| spac3r | Boot0001* debian | 23:21 |
| spac3r | Boot0002* devuan | 23:21 |
| spac3r | Boot0080* Mac OS X | 23:21 |
| spac3r | BootFFFF* | 23:21 |
| fsmithred | ok, did you try a reboot yet? | 23:22 |
| fsmithred | oh | 23:23 |
| fsmithred | how old is this mac? | 23:23 |
| spac3r | Rebooted and grub prompt | 23:24 |
| spac3r | Maybe remnants of previous distros mess up grub? | 23:24 |
| fsmithred | 2011 or so? | 23:24 |
| fsmithred | did you say that a few days ago? | 23:24 |
| spac3r | early 2009 | 23:24 |
| spac3r | mac mini 3,1 | 23:24 |
| fsmithred | is it one like some of the macbook pros around that time that would allow a 64-bit OS but needed a 32-bit uefi bootloader? | 23:24 |
| fsmithred | you might need to install grub-efi-ia32 | 23:25 |
| fsmithred | don't do that unless you know it's right for your hardware | 23:26 |
| spac3r | i'd have to check | 23:26 |
| spac3r | When i upgraded beowulf to chimaera grub booted automatically and devuan started straight away | 23:26 |
| fsmithred | ok, one other trick if it doesn't reboot to a working boot menu | 23:27 |
| fsmithred | grub-install --bootloader-id=debian | 23:27 |
| fsmithred | and then update-grub. That's normally a trick to use if you have the -signed version installed | 23:27 |
| fsmithred | which is only needed for secure-boot | 23:28 |
| spac3r | the successor of my early 2009 mini uses 32-bit EFI, see https://www.zealfortechnology.com/2018/07/revive-old-mac-mini-2009-with-linux.html | 23:40 |
| spac3r | So grub-efi-ia32 would be safe to install? | 23:40 |
| fsmithred | I would think it's not necessary if it booted ok in ascii and chimaera with the 64-bit grub | 23:49 |
| spac3r | chimaera is too heavy and i couldn't fix the colours and network. With beowulf the mini is responsive and seems to get updates until june 2024. All good, thanks for your help and patience fsmithred | 23:59 |
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