| gnarface | FilipZ: ah, right away i see something suspicious. you have avahi-daemon installed and it's interfering with stuff. | 00:01 |
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| gnarface | FilipZ: i dunno why or what or even if it's the problem but i've had enough complications with avahi-daemon that unless you're sure you're using it, i'd recommend uninstalling it before re-evaluating the problem | 00:02 |
| gnarface | could be a red herring but the easiest way to know is to just remove it | 00:04 |
| FilipZ | gnarface: I removed avahi-daemon, then did the same thing as before, but it still causes the issue. | 00:35 |
| FilipZ | Would you like a copy of those logs again? | 00:35 |
| gnarface | FilipZ: was that with debugging turned on in dhcpcd and wpa_supplicant? | 00:37 |
| gnarface | (or whatever your dhcp client was?) | 00:37 |
| FilipZ | I don't think so. Then what should I do and how? | 00:37 |
| FilipZ | How do I turn debugging on those? | 00:37 |
| gnarface | check the man pages, put the debugging flags in the configs or on the command-line of both those daemons, then capture the log from when it fails | 00:38 |
| gnarface | and keep avahi-daemon out of the mix for now | 00:38 |
| gnarface | it's probably not even doing anything helpful for you | 00:39 |
| FilipZ | It's removed, and then I did sudo killall avahi-daemon, just to be sure. | 00:39 |
| gnarface | the use case is fairly contrived and involves spending a lot of time moving between strange new networks that all are 100% other avahi or mac osx clients | 00:39 |
| gnarface | also try to take note of if the signal strength is low when it dies on you | 00:41 |
| FilipZ | The Wi-Fi is set very close, so it is not for now. | 00:43 |
| gnarface | just keep an eye on it, i've noticed sometimes when there's a power management issue it'll reflect in a seemingly unexplained signal strength dip | 00:44 |
| FilipZ | I couldn't find a dhcpcd daemon. | 00:53 |
| FilipZ | It seems that I don't have such. | 00:53 |
| FilipZ | How can it be? | 00:54 |
| gnarface | you must | 00:54 |
| gnarface | run this: dpkg -l |grep dhc | 00:54 |
| gnarface | might not be called dhcpcd | 00:55 |
| FilipZ | Thanks! Now I see it. dhcpcd-dbus, isc-dhcp-client and isc-dhcp-common were printed. | 00:56 |
| FilipZ | So I have to set these flags on that first? | 00:56 |
| gnarface | on isc-dhcp-client | 00:57 |
| gnarface | i'm actually not sure dhcpcd-dbus is supposed to be present with isc-dhcp-client | 00:57 |
| FilipZ | I don't know how it works, and what exactly are those daemons. | 00:58 |
| gnarface | well isc-dhcp-client is the dhcp client daemon in question, isc-dhcp-common is just some cruft that goes with it, and dhcpcd-dbus is supposed to be dbus integration for a different dhcp client, which seems out of place | 00:59 |
| gnarface | but i could be wrong about that | 00:59 |
| FilipZ | There were no man page for dhcpcd-dbus, what is it? | 00:59 |
| FilipZ | Oh, now I see you wrote it, nvm. | 01:00 |
| gnarface | dbus integration for a different dhcp client, like i said. not the isc one | 01:00 |
| FilipZ | Like what other, different client? | 01:01 |
| gnarface | dhcpcd | 01:01 |
| gnarface | there's one called isc-dhcp and one called dhcpcd | 01:02 |
| FilipZ | $ man isc-dhcp-client | 01:02 |
| FilipZ | No manual entry for isc-dhcp-client | 01:02 |
| gnarface | i think you might have to go by the name of the config file | 01:02 |
| gnarface | just go to their webpage, they have docs online | 01:03 |
| gnarface | oh maybe it's called dhclient | 01:03 |
| gnarface | try man dhclient or dhclient.conf | 01:03 |
| FilipZ | What name exactly? | 01:03 |
| gnarface | just look in "ps aux" for the daemon name | 01:03 |
| FilipZ | Ok. | 01:03 |
| gnarface | there won't be a lot with "dhcp" in the name | 01:04 |
| gnarface | yea i think it might be called dhclient, try "man dhclient" first | 01:04 |
| FilipZ | There is a page for dhclient, should I set this flag for it? | 01:04 |
| gnarface | yes of course | 01:05 |
| gnarface | don't forget to do something for wpa_supplicant too | 01:05 |
| FilipZ | "Enable verbose log messages"? | 01:05 |
| gnarface | yes | 01:05 |
| gnarface | also check if anything depends on dhcpcd-dbus, that might not belong on your system | 01:07 |
| gnarface | if you were using the other dhcp client before, maybe it got left behind when you switched | 01:07 |
| FilipZ | I checked dhcpcd-dbus in the package manager, and it shows that it is not installed. It is marked with a blank square. How can it be? | 01:09 |
| gnarface | oh maybe it was removed already but there's just configs left | 01:09 |
| gnarface | when you run "dpkg -l |grep dhcpcd-dbus" what is in the left column? | 01:09 |
| FilipZ | rc dhcpcd-dbus | 01:10 |
| gnarface | eh that's fine then | 01:10 |
| FilipZ | What does it mean? | 01:10 |
| FilipZ | "rc", is it? | 01:11 |
| gnarface | not sure the literal meaning but basically "rc" means that it's been removed but there's still config files or vestigial directories left behind | 01:11 |
| gnarface | if you don't want that to happen when removing stuff use "--purge" | 01:11 |
| FilipZ | Will making a "complete removal in the gui package manager do the same? | 01:12 |
| gnarface | i don't know for sure but it should | 01:12 |
| gnarface | anyway nevermind that, it's not related to the problem after all | 01:13 |
| FilipZ | Alright. I think it worked out, as the same command prints nothing. | 01:13 |
| FilipZ | In the wpa_supplicant man page there is "-d Increase debugging verbosity (-dd even more).", is it enough to just pass this flag? | 01:18 |
| FilipZ | Oh, I think it doesn't just work with a flag after the program name. A wall of text got printed out, like the command wasn't complete. | 01:21 |
| FilipZ | Then what should I input? | 01:22 |
| gnarface | FilipZ: afaik "-d" should work. there should be a file in /etc/default you can put it in | 01:42 |
| gnarface | it might have a commented-out example even | 01:42 |
| gnarface | it will increase the amount of lines output | 01:43 |
| sabasedigh | hello | 04:50 |
| sabasedigh | I want to upgrade devuan and I am not sure what to do. Would you help? | 04:50 |
| gnarface | sabasedigh: https://www.devuan.org/os/install | 04:55 |
| gnarface | instructions there | 04:56 |
| gnarface | if you have questions just ask and be patient, someone will help eventually | 04:56 |
| sabasedigh | gnarface: thanks I see. It seams the latest is based on debian 11 buster | 04:57 |
| golinux | sabasedigh: https://www.devuan.org/os/releases | 05:09 |
| golinux | Latest is based on bullseye | 05:17 |
| theodore | Does anyone here have experience with with doas on a minimal devuan netinstall with runit? I have added my /usr/local/etc/doas.conf with "permit $USER as root" ($USER is my user ofc) but when im trying a doas command from my user I only get a doas: syntax error at line 1, what am I doing wrong? | 10:37 |
| lts- | theodore: check that you have a newline after that line 1 | 11:36 |
| theodore | Like just a regular enter | 11:38 |
| theodore | ? | 11:38 |
| theodore | so the file ends with an empty line | 11:38 |
| theodore | Omg that worked | 11:39 |
| theodore | now I feel really stupid haha | 11:40 |
| theodore | thank you so much | 11:41 |
| lts- | np. I'm paranoid and always leave a newline at the end of every config, precisely because there are software like this | 12:11 |
| theodore | ill remember that trick for sure | 12:23 |
| theodore | Okay while I am here anyway I have another question, anyone knows how to install microsoft teams on devuan? Unfortunatly I have to use that shit app for school. Ive installed the .deb package, dpkg -i i, but when I try to run "teams" from terminal nothing happens | 12:39 |
| djph | theodore: as in it attempts to launch then crashes right back to a prompt? | 12:46 |
| theodore | If I type 'teams' and then enter nothing happens, no error message or anything | 12:48 |
| djph | does it go back to the prompt, or act as if the program is still executing? | 12:49 |
| theodore | Go back to prompt | 12:50 |
| djph | so it executes and apparently finishes fine ... | 12:51 |
| djph | what is the 'teams' thing? an actual ELF binary, or just a wrapping script of sorts? | 12:51 |
| theodore | How can I check that? | 12:52 |
| lts- | With 'file $(which teams)' for example | 12:54 |
| lts- | You could install strace and run 'strace teams' to see what is it trying to do | 12:55 |
| lts- | *also | 12:55 |
| theodore | Allright | 13:20 |
| theodore | strace gave me this output https://paste.sensio.no/StephensGuild | 13:20 |
| theodore | I don't really know what any of that means | 13:21 |
| Joril | theodore: well "teams" is just a script that launches /usr/share/teams/teams | 13:41 |
| Joril | could you try a "strace -f teams" instead ? | 13:43 |
| rkta | I stopped trying to get teams running. I just installed google-chrome and use the teams website. That works just fine. | 14:20 |
| theodore | Bro Im literally so out of ms ecosystem I didnt heven know youcould do that | 14:21 |
| theodore | well in that case thats what I'd do as well, I much rather use it in the browser than as a app | 14:21 |
| rkta | Beware, it's for a reason that I run it in google-chrome. I had trouble with FF and chromium. | 14:22 |
| rkta | I use google-chrome for all the shitty broked stuff I need to use for dayjob. | 14:23 |
| theodore | the glowiebrowser perhaps? Yeah I usually like to keep stuff separated like that as well | 14:23 |
| rkta | glowiebrowser? | 14:30 |
| onefang | The "nuke it from orbit until it glows, it's the only way to be sure" browser? Or maybe theodore meant Firefox, since fire glows? | 14:55 |
| theodore | Hehe i was using terry tavis slang, sorry, glowie would mean the fbi, refering to google chrome as a glowie browser jokingly meaning it would be spyware | 14:58 |
| theodore | Maybe a little bit far fetched | 15:00 |
| theodore | sorry | 15:00 |
| onefang | So I was right the first time, nuke it from orbit until it glows brightly enough to be seen from the Moon. | 15:00 |
| onefang | But off topic now. | 15:01 |
| EdBoatConnoisseu | i already did a post on the forum but just in case someone looks more at irc than the forum | 18:08 |
| EdBoatConnoisseu | i'm writing a init independient implementation of user services | 18:08 |
| EdBoatConnoisseu | https://codeberg.org/eylles/shed | 18:08 |
| EdBoatConnoisseu | i call it shed, it is intended to take care of problems like pipewire lingering across sessions | 18:09 |
| EdBoatConnoisseu | it still needs a lot of work, but is a start | 18:10 |
| eyalroz | @EdBoatConnoisseu: Suppose I use sysvinit right now. How would shed help me? I don't quite get it. | 20:10 |
| xisop | anyone here know if it's possible to do sda crypt after installation | 23:04 |
| xisop | hmm. looks like maybe full disk enc might not be possible, but i could encrypt certain folders | 23:06 |
| gnarface | i think uh, you can do everything but /boot or something like that | 23:22 |
| EdBoatConnoisseu | eyalroz: if you want to use pipewire to replace pulseaudio, simply starting it on xsession, pipewire will linger after the session is killed, the "reccomended" ways which is checking for the pidof pipewire and either not starting or killing the other instances becomes messy if you want to have multiple x11 sessions, like in another tty or maybe inside xephir, shed guarantees that the instance of pipewire created for the xsession will | 23:22 |
| EdBoatConnoisseu | be killed without aknowledging any instance of pipewire that doesn't belong to the x11 session where it was started | 23:22 |
| eyalroz | @EdBoatConnoisseu: I've never used pipewire. What would using it help me with? | 23:23 |
| eyalroz | (by the way - I'm no Devuan expert, I'm sure other people here have more experience with these things) | 23:24 |
| EdBoatConnoisseu | in short pipewire is a more performant replacement for pulseaudio, personally i use it to not have to do the pulseaudio and jack dance when i want to use aurdour and record something from my audio interface, also pipewire is used for screen sharing in wayland | 23:27 |
| EdBoatConnoisseu | but that is not really the point, the idea was to have the user services "married" to the session and be able to manage them in a manner similar to how runit and systemd can but on sysvinit, openrc and s6 (i don't think s6 or openrc can do user services) | 23:29 |
| xisop | never heard of pipewire. i'll have to check it out. i'm not too fond of the whole pulseaudio system | 23:30 |
| brocashelm | i'm fine with alsa | 23:32 |
| fluffywolf | I also use ALSA. | 23:35 |
| gnarface | you can do that audio output recording thing with just bare alsa and the snd_aloop kernel module | 23:40 |
| gnarface | you don't need pulseaudio or pipeire for that | 23:40 |
| EdBoatConnoisseu | aurdour really only requires jack, pipewire provides both jack and pulseaudio api emulation, and i don't see myself recording music without a Digital Audio Workstation so i'm okay with that compromise | 23:43 |
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