| auanta | does anybody know if the ARM64 version of Devuan is different from Maemo Leste? | 15:41 |
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| auanta | i'm about to find out | 15:42 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Leste is Leste it's based upon Devuan. | 16:11 |
| auanta | i just mean in terms of packages basically.. the functionality, the UI, the differences between them (if there are any) because there is an ARM64 image for Devuan | 16:21 |
| fsmithred | auanta, you might ask in #devuan-arm or maybe joerg knows the answer. | 16:22 |
| auanta | oh will do | 16:23 |
| joerg | hm? | 16:23 |
| fsmithred | arm64 vs leste | 16:23 |
| fsmithred | packages, ui, etc. | 16:23 |
| joerg | no idea | 16:23 |
| joerg | #maemo-leste | 16:24 |
| auanta | ok that's ok, thanks for directing me to the other channel! | 16:24 |
| joerg | I don't even know which flavor of devuan maemo-leste is based on | 16:29 |
| joerg | seems to me the question is like asking "how is ubuntu different from linux?" | 16:30 |
| auanta | haha.. it's based on Beowulf | 16:30 |
| auanta | I think of it as more like asking the difference between Ubuntu and Debian | 16:31 |
| joerg | I think leste may base on any devuan that's needed for the target platform | 16:31 |
| fsmithred | do those images have a desktop environment? | 16:32 |
| auanta | @fsmithred they do. Nokia pumped millions of $ into it :o | 16:32 |
| auanta | before later abandoning it | 16:32 |
| auanta | it's pretty snappy | 16:33 |
| joerg | AIUI maemo been based on debian and some details like init system and displaymanger etc been modified, and a lot of middleware added. | 16:37 |
| golinux | Is parazyd still involved? | 16:38 |
| joerg | I hope so | 16:38 |
| golinux | :) | 16:38 |
| golinux | I don't follow it at all. | 16:38 |
| * joerg neither | 16:38 | |
| * golinux misses him here | 16:39 | |
| joerg | golinux: you miss parazyd ? There's a user of that name in [Whois] parazyd is a user on channels: #devuan #devuan-arm #devuan-infra #maemo-leste | 16:41 |
| auanta | my brain keeps wanting to read that as paralyzd | 16:42 |
| auanta | ._. | 16:43 |
| joerg | auanta: you might find this thread useful to understand how stuff started https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 | 16:45 |
| golinux | joerg: I know he's around but silently not socially much . . . | 16:50 |
| auanta | reading the thread.. what the heck is a gnuism and how does it break posix compliance.. | 16:55 |
| joerg | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9088426 | 16:57 |
| auanta | oh i seeee | 16:59 |
| joerg | but I don't see where you seen the term gnuism in that thread | 17:00 |
| auanta | at the very end | 17:00 |
| joerg | there's a number of *isms, particularly nasty: messyboxisms ;-) | 17:01 |
| joerg | a special bastard child of bashisms | 17:02 |
| auanta | lol XD is that when... you install a bunch of stuff and don't clean up after you're done / uninstalled it? | 17:03 |
| auanta | or.. when scripts leave a mess? | 17:03 |
| joerg | bashisms are special bash features used in scripts so those shellscripts won't work with other shells | 17:04 |
| auanta | oh gotcha | 17:04 |
| auanta | so messybox is when the non posix compliant shell leaves a system "messy" because of non compatibility? | 17:05 |
| joerg | messybox is my nick for busybox, a monolithic supposedly smaller bourne shell / bash replacement, that nevertheless often has nasty little incompatibilities to bash, so when you install a proper bash as your primary shell to replace busybox, you might find yourself confronted with a messed up system that doesn't work or even doesn't boot up anymore | 17:06 |
| auanta | oh my | 17:06 |
| auanta | :o | 17:07 |
| auanta | it appears that they went with busybox | 17:07 |
| auanta | because of GNUisms smh | 17:08 |
| joerg | on maemo fremantle busybox was the shell and when you chenged user "user"s default shell to bash, the system didn't boot anymore | 17:08 |
| auanta | lol | 17:08 |
| auanta | let me try that | 17:08 |
| auanta | XD | 17:08 |
| joerg | it's fixed | 17:08 |
| auanta | oh ok | 17:08 |
| joerg | at least with CSSU, maybe even with PR1.3 genuine fremantle | 17:09 |
| joerg | the funy part was that it killed the system when you used bash for USER default shell, for ROOT it worked | 17:09 |
| joerg | thing to learn from that: always check your scripts against several shell implementations and avoid any *isms | 17:11 |
| auanta | +1 | 17:12 |
| joerg | Nokia relied on a messybox bug in one of their mission critical bootscripts | 17:12 |
| joerg | iirc eventually community provided a patch for the scipt | 17:13 |
| joerg | user pali iirc | 17:13 |
| * golinux says Pali is a beautiful ancient language . . . | 17:18 | |
| joerg | [Whois] Pali is ~pali@user/pali (Pali) | 17:19 |
| * golinux won't go further OT | 17:20 | |
| auanta | who needs zim when you have emacs | 18:01 |
| auanta | * has seen the light | 18:02 |
| auanta | (that's Zim with a Z btw.. ) | 18:08 |
| auanta | it's basically a personal wiki running on GTK | 18:09 |
| auanta | not minimalist at all :P | 18:09 |
| brocashelm | i recently installed an rx 580 (two fans) gpu, which is in great shape, but always starts at 200 rpm and overheats if i don't use some sort of fan control software like corectrl. is there a way to force this in the kernel? | 22:21 |
| brocashelm | with corectrl set to "automatic", fan speeds stay in 2120-2160 range, idle or otherwise | 22:22 |
| brocashelm | https://dpaste.org/nTWrg | 22:23 |
| gnarface | are you avoiding the non-free firmware, or is this with the non-free firmware that this is happening? | 22:27 |
| brocashelm | i do have non-free packages installed | 22:30 |
| brocashelm | firmware-amd-graphics | 22:30 |
| gnarface | which release? last i checked, even the one in ceres was quite old | 22:31 |
| brocashelm | my rx 550/560 cards were doing fine on their own without any tweaking (all of them are MSI models for the record) | 22:31 |
| brocashelm | 20210818-1 | 22:31 |
| gnarface | sounds like a problem | 22:32 |
| gnarface | do they overheat at idle too or just under load? | 22:33 |
| gnarface | does it, i mean | 22:33 |
| brocashelm | if i don't use corectrl or radeon-profile for the fan control, the gpu starts its fans at 200 rpm and takes a few minutes to go from 30 C to 40-50 C | 22:33 |
| brocashelm | and it remains at 200 rpm | 22:33 |
| brocashelm | i was almost about to return the gpu because i thought it was used for mining or worn out somehow, but then the software side applied a temporary fix to that, as long as i leave it running | 22:34 |
| gnarface | wait so it doesn't freeze up or reboot or anything? it just looks like it's running hot? those might be normal numbers | 22:36 |
| brocashelm | none of those. just very low rpm which leads to overheating if i don't intervene | 22:38 |
| brocashelm | my rx 550/560 cards run fine on their own at 1400 rpm and 30 C idle | 22:38 |
| brocashelm | no software needed to adjust the fans/power | 22:38 |
| gnarface | i think you might be right that it's a bios difference | 22:39 |
| brocashelm | i am using an lga 1151 | 22:39 |
| gnarface | i wonder if they'd admit to a bug | 22:39 |
| gnarface | it might be worth trying a newer firmware-amd-graphics from upstream | 22:39 |
| gnarface | if there even is one | 22:39 |
| brocashelm | i updated the bios (dell) to the latest version from 2018 | 22:39 |
| gnarface | i think there is | 22:39 |
| gnarface | i mean gpu bios | 22:40 |
| gnarface | btw, not motherboard bios | 22:40 |
| brocashelm | i went to the source repository and downloaded the files. would i just have to copy and paste the bin files from amdgpu? | 22:40 |
| brocashelm | oh | 22:40 |
| gnarface | sorry about the confusion | 22:40 |
| brocashelm | np | 22:40 |
| gnarface | you might just have to copy the bin files, but i'd think if they're not 1:1 you'd have to make sure to delete any old ones that weren't replaced too | 22:41 |
| brocashelm | so, i downloaded the latest from the git; paste the bin files (amdgpu) into /lib/firmware/amdgpu dir? | 22:41 |
| brocashelm | renamed the old amdgpu folder and created a new one to place the new ones in | 22:42 |
| brocashelm | 478 files (new) vs. 427 files (old) | 22:43 |
| brocashelm | i wonder if there's a way i could configure it in the kernel modules or something to automatically set the starting rpm | 22:44 |
| gnarface | good question... mine starts at 0 | 22:45 |
| gnarface | it spins up under load though, just not to where i'd want it | 22:45 |
| gnarface | i'd spin them faster and leave them on at idle | 22:45 |
| brocashelm | from that dpaste link i gave you, would you say that is a good rpm/watt/voltage/temp to idle on? | 22:46 |
| gnarface | (same driver but a rx 5500) | 22:46 |
| brocashelm | even when i'm playing supertuxkart on full settings, rpm remains stable, but temp goes from 26-31 C to 40-45 C | 22:46 |
| gnarface | sorry didn't look at the paste, but i will if you use paste.debian.net even though i don't really have an answer anyway | 22:47 |
| gnarface | mine runs hotter than that and someone told me it was normal | 22:47 |
| brocashelm | yeah, i have an rx 6500 xt, but i didn't realize it's pcie 4, so i'll have to do a new build with it (it definitely works, but stops sometime when it says "missing usb device" or something in the message before the tty screen) | 22:47 |
| gnarface | i suspect it's hardcoded in the vga bios and it's planned obsolescence | 22:48 |
| brocashelm | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/17ca8f6e/ | 22:48 |
| brocashelm | on this machine, it's meant more as an emulation/retro gaming/indie gaming machine, so i keep temps as low as possible (31-39 C per core on idle with my i7-3770) | 22:48 |
| brocashelm | yeah, a lot of new computer parts tend to be that way. that's part of why i don't overclock or do anything seriously demanding. i just want a stable gpu that lets me play my games smoothly without bottlenecking issues | 22:49 |
| brocashelm | nope, that didn't work | 22:54 |
| brocashelm | rebooted and it put me back on 200 rpm | 22:54 |
| brocashelm | i'll have to keep corectrl running to keep my fan speeds stable | 22:56 |
| brocashelm | just experimenting with lowering the rpm from 2100 to 1500 to see if the temps remain less than 40 C on idle (trying to get that sweet spot between cutting electricity costs and still getting a cool, robust performance) | 22:59 |
| brocashelm | setting "automatic" (even on radeon-profile) would keep me locked in at 2150 rpm | 23:00 |
| brocashelm | running at 1561 rpm, 27 C, 4.15 W, 725.00 mV now (according to sensors) | 23:03 |
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