libera/#devuan/ Tuesday, 2022-08-23

DRWhiteHi folks, Does anyone here know wher eI can get access to any CentOS repositories for downloading and installing APT and associated packages please?03:29
fsmithredwhat does that mean?03:32
fsmithredDRWhite, what are you trying to do? You want a centos repo that will let you do 'yum install apt' or something else?03:36
Xenguy_Good ol' Dr. White  = )03:38
DRWhiteYes, I want to install APT03:42
fsmithredif it's available for redhat-based distros, then probably a centos or fedora channel would have the answer03:43
DRWhiteThoguth someone here might know how to get it, because it's a Debian Based package. So someone upgrading from RedHat to Devuan might know.03:47
lts-If you want to move from Red Hat to Devuan, you need to reinstall the operating system from the beginning. In-place upgrades between different Linux distributions are AFAIK not among possible things04:05
DRWhiteDebian to Devuan is doable04:08
DRWhiteDevuan to Qubes is doable04:08
DRWhiteBut I'm trying to get from CentOS 5.11 to Devuan.04:09
DRWhiteAnd I just can't get Aptitude to install04:09
DRWhiteKeeps sayign that rpmlib is mossing04:09
DRWhiteAnd yet I don't even have rpmlib on my Devuan Laptop04:09
DRWhiteSo it is possible, but the version of CentOS is old.04:10
DRWhiteI can't upgrade it to 6 or later04:11
rwpDRWhite, Devuan is an overlay on top of of Debian so moving between them is relatively simple and easy.05:32
rwpDRWhite, CentOS/RHEL on the other hand is *HUGELY* different.  It isn't really practical to migrate from one to the other.05:33
rwpYou are asking and therefore are disqualified from doing it but there was this crazy idea https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTakeover05:34
rwpIt's really an expert level process though.  If you break it then you get to keep both halves.05:35
brocashelmi wouldn't recommend anything outside of a fresh install. it's generally safe to back up your /etc dir for the new install and change a few files to match devuan05:38
rwpAgreed.  If you have to ask then the only good answer is a fresh install.05:47
rwpFor the deep lurkers they might find Marc Merlin's LISA 2013 presentation interesting. https://www.usenix.org/system/files/conference/lisa13/lisa13-merlin.pdf05:58
rwp"Live Upgrading Thousands of Servers from an Ancient Red Hat Distribution to 10 Year Newer Debian Based One"06:00
rwpOne file at a time.06:00
av6hmm, looks like a bunch of packages in debian have recently started to depend on "systemd | systemd-tmpfiles", from openvpn to sudo and cryptsetup-bin09:33
brocashelmseems to be a bug with one of the libglib2.0 packages (probably libglib2.0-bin) on ceres. i can't open thunar or my browser; "Trace/breakpoint trap" error message when using the shell09:33
av6they are not forked in devuan, so how do i install them?09:33
av6is there a bug on devuan issue tracker to track this mass dependency switch?09:35
brocashelmav6: you can install the package systemd-standalone-tmpfiles to resolve that dependency issue09:36
av6brocashelm: apt refuses to install it, saying systemd-standalone-tmpfiles is a virtual package09:39
av6okay, it needed a specific version for some reason09:41
av6that was weird, but it's now installed09:41
av6thanks brocashelm, apt upgrade proceeded without any issue after installing that package09:50
brocashelmnp09:51
brocashelmthere is an alternative to sudo if you're interested: doas09:51
brocashelmdoesn't "need" systemd-anything packages09:51
brocashelmit's installed through the opendoas package09:52
brocashelmit's a port from *bsd to gnu/linux. pretty interesting09:52
av6hmm, and i could use wireguard instead of openvpn, but what would i use instead of cryptsetup?10:02
brocashelmdunno, but you could maybe look into veracrypt as you can use it for both file and partition encryption10:07
brocashelmhttps://veracrypt.fr/en/Home.html10:08
brocashelmthere are official deb packages there10:08
av6apparently there's also zulucrypt, in the repos10:11
av6never heard about it though10:11
mmlj4I have these two entries in root's cron:    @reboot /root/bin/natscript.sh &     and  @reboot /root/wireguard/wgwrapper.sh &     but wireguard comes up at boot, while iptables -L ends up emptpy. What would/could be coming after my script to override it?15:35
rwpmmlj4, Hard to predict since it is your setup and every setup is unique.  But maybe the natscript.sh is firing too early?21:27
rwpI would put logging and tracing debugging into the script writing to a file in /var/tmp (which does not purge on a reboot) and verify what is happening at reboot time.21:27
rwpDepending upon the system it is possible you have ufw installed since that seems to get sucked in by other things and it may be overriding everything.21:28
Akuliany plans to delete /etc/chromium/policies? it makes many chromium settings show up as "Managed by your organization" and prevents me from tweaking them, renamed to policies_ and it works again23:10
rwpAkuli, I have no idea but you might ask in #devuan-dev where I would ask about such things.23:18
Akuliok, i'll ask there :)23:18
rwpAFAIK chromium is stock from Debian main.  Meaning that really the authority for it is there.23:19
Jjp137there's discussion about the recent default search engine change that Debian did for their Chromium package in this bug report: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=956012#4223:25

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