libera/#devuan/ Tuesday, 2022-08-30

targzHi all, does anyone know the possibility of donating with cryptos to Devuan? I know it can be done to Dyne, but I don't know if it finally reaches Devuan in particular01:00
plasma41targz: https://www.devuan.org/os/donate.html makes no mention of cryptocurrency donations. I'd ask jaromil, but he not online right now.01:07
golinuxtargz: Just notate that it is for Devuan. We stopped doing crypto years ago.01:08
golinuxYou can find donation details here: https://www.devuan.org/os/donate01:08
targzOK, thanks. A shame, from Argentina and without a credit card it was the only option I used to donate01:11
brocashelmwould be nice to accept cash donations02:24
golinuxbrocashelm: Come to the next conference!02:45
NeverAlone<gnarface> "try "apt-get --no-install-..." <- I don't have any updates13:11
Wonka*sigh*19:23
Wonkagnuplot-data (= 5.4.4+dfsg1-1) (UNAVAILABLE)19:23
plasma41Wonka: That appears to be an issue with upstream Debian. http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gnuplot/ shows 5.4.4+dfsg1-1 versions of all the arch-any binary packages for the gnuplot source package, but all the arch-all 5.4.4+dfsg1-1 packages are missing.20:14
plasma41Wonka: Try filing an Debian bug report20:14
plasma41Wonka: 5.4.4+dfsg1-1 was added to unstable 10 days, so this doesn't look like a simple mirror synchronization issue.20:16
rwphttps://tracker.debian.org/pkg/gnuplot20:29
rwpIf I read that right (confidence low) then it was a source upload to unstable that failed to build.20:33
rwphttps://ci.debian.net/packages/g/gnuplot/unstable/amd64/20:33
Wonkammh...20:35
plasma41Possibly (again, confidence low) related to https://bugs.debian.org/101632320:38
devuanconsumerHow do I go about keeping a couple of specific kernals without having to deal with them being uninstalled when I type sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade? Thank you!21:16
devuanconsumerAlso how do I understall a specific kernal21:16
devuanconsumerit seems 5.10.0.17 isn't work21:17
devuanconsumering well21:17
rwpdevuanconsumer, Easiest is to mark the kernel package as "held" with "apt-mark hold linux-image-5.18.0-4-amd64" or other specific version.21:19
rwpPerhaps also holding the linux-image-amd64 (or other arch) package as the upgrade of that one is what pulls in the specific versioned one.21:20
rwpAlso if you have very new hardware and the Stable kernel is not sufficient the consider installing a Backports kernel.21:21
rwpBackports and other suites are referenced here: https://beta.devuan.org/os/packages21:22
treeofknowledgecan u repeat that21:23
treeofknowledgei had to log in with different account lol21:23
rwpEasiest is to mark the kernel package as "held" with "apt-mark hold linux-image-5.18.0-4-amd64" or other specific version.21:23
rwpPackages marked hold will not be automatically offered for upgrade or removal.21:23
treeofknowledgethank you!21:26
treeofknowledgewhats the command t oremove a specific package21:27
rwpapt-get remove specificpackage21:27
rwpThough if there are config files in /etc those are defined as a "conffile" and not removed with a "remove".21:28
rwpThose are removed with a "purge".  As in "aptget purge specificpackage".  That removes the /etc conffiles.21:28
rwpTo list packages that have been removed but not purged: dpkg -l | grep ^rc21:30
treeofknowledgety21:30
rwpI pretty much want to recommend always using "purge" as that keeps things clean.21:31
rwpBut there is a reason for the removed/conffile state.21:32
rwpPeople install something.  Then they spend time and effort configuring it in some file in /etc/something.conf and a purge would destroy that work.21:32
rwpSo by default it is preserved with a remove unless explicitly requested with a purge.21:32
rwpSo...  It becomes more complicated.21:32
rwpI recommend installing git and etckeeper to automatically track the contents of /etc for all files there.21:33
rwpAnd then always purge.  Because if something is needed from /etc in the future then it can be retrieved from git version control.21:33
trklntryHello does devuan have an RSS feed to follow what's going on?21:33
rwp"What's going on" is a very large area!  Personally I suggest subscribing to the mailing lists. https://www.devuan.org/os/community21:36
rwpSpecifically the announcement mailing list. https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devuan-announce21:36
treeofknowledgeok thank you rwp21:37
brocashelmdevuan also has a twitter account you can use with rss21:37
brocashelmhttps://nitter.net/DevuanOrg/rss21:37
brocashelmand for the forums (dev1galaxy): https://dev1galaxy.org/extern.php?action=feed&type=atom21:38
brocashelmbut rwp's suggestion is the best one21:38
treeofknowledgeThank you again.21:46
treeofknowledgeHow do I fix this error :/21:46
treeofknowledgewhen updating and upgrading21:47
treeofknowledgeSetting up mullvad-vpn (2022.4) ...21:47
treeofknowledgedpkg: error processing package mullvad-vpn (--configure):21:47
treeofknowledge installed mullvad-vpn package post-installation script subprocess returned erro21:47
treeofknowledger exit status 12721:47
treeofknowledgeErrors were encountered while processing:21:47
treeofknowledge mullvad-vpn21:47
treeofknowledgeE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)21:47
brocashelmis this an external package?21:49
trklntryBut yes thank you rwp and brocashelm. I primarily just want to try and stay updated with updates, or anything else significant21:49
fsmithredtreeofknowledge, are you running beowulf or chimaera?21:51
fsmithreddowload page says it works on Debian 10 (Buster=Beowulf)21:52
fsmithredapt show mullvad-vpn will show Depends and Recommends. Check versions.21:54
brocashelmturns out it "needs" systemd21:54
brocashelmit calls for systemctl21:54
brocashelmi tested installing this on ceres21:55
brocashelm>/var/lib/dpkg/info/mullvad-vpn.postinst: line 6: systemctl: command not found21:55
fsmithredaha!21:55
brocashelmif you are not concerned about using a gui, openvpn would be ideal and you can do it from cli21:57
brocashelmthere's also riseup-vpn which has worked for me21:57
fsmithredalso wireguard in the repo21:57
brocashelmtreeofknowledge: https://riseup.net/en/vpn21:58
brocashelmi figured an easy "hack" on the systemctl errors by copying the binary to /usr/sbin (i think), and deb packages "needing" systemd would work21:59
brocashelmradeon-profile for example was that way21:59
brocashelmi needed a good gpu fan control program, so i used it until i got shown corectrl (much better and no systemd "dependencies")21:59
fsmithredSo it turns out that I already have riseup-vpn installed, and I forget how to use it.22:08
treeofknowledgethe think is it never did this before22:27
treeofknowledgeim running chimera22:27
treeofknowledgeit started doing this after the update22:27
treeofknowledgei run a separate command to run the systemd component22:27
brocashelmdid you remove mullvad-vpn?22:28
treeofknowledgei did.22:28
treeofknowledgepurged it22:28
treeofknowledgethen installed the update22:28
brocashelmcan you paste the error and give the link?22:32
brocashelmuse paste.debian.net22:32

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