libera/#devuan/ Thursday, 2022-09-15

djphSoltis: because "coders" and stack-overflow00:04
onefangdan9er[m]: You are welcome.  I use unbound as well, but had to teach it about Quad9, which it doesn't use by default.00:12
crhyloveOK, so I've been beating myself up for months on this now.00:24
crhyloveI cannot get a CD to burn.00:24
crhylovexfburn "works", but then the audio CD is corrupted.00:25
crhylovek3b I cannot alter the permissions.  Tried a lot of things pursuant to that already.00:25
crhyloveEvery time I open it I get the errors: insufficient permissions: wodim, cdrdao, growisofs00:26
crhyloveI also cannot alter the permissions from within k3b, even though I put in my root password.00:26
crhylovechmod 777 /dev/sr0 also doesn't help.00:26
crhyloveAlso I can't sudo k3b and run as root because I'm not in the sudoers file.00:29
crhyloveAnd running from a root terminal, I get a Qt error. "platform plugin xcb" cannot be run even though it was found.00:30
crhylovealso tried: usermod -g cdrom rhy (my username)00:41
debdogcrhylove: for GUI programmes I need to run as root I use ssh (ssh root@localhost). you need to configure ssh to forward X11.00:58
crhylovehmmm  That's not a terrible plan:  And one I haven't tried!00:59
debdogwait, crhylove, I should have read more of the history here00:59
crhyloveWould be better if I could just fix k3b permissions.00:59
fsmithredother way to do it is put 'ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes' in /etc/default/su00:59
crhylove@fsmithred, what else will that effect?  *nervous*01:00
fsmithrednothing. Read man su.01:00
crhyloveThere is no su01:00
fsmithredthey changed the path when su got moved to a different package01:00
crhylovein /etc/default01:00
fsmithredright. YOu make it.01:00
debdogcheck wheter your user is part of group cdrom01:01
fsmithredare you in cdrom01:01
fsmithredthat01:01
crhyloveYeah, I added my user name to that group.  Still didn't work.01:01
rrq.. and re+login after adding group01:01
fsmithredoh yeah01:01
crhylove@rrq....oooooohhhhh01:01
crhyloveDUH.01:02
debdog(in /etc/group, your username should be listet somewhere after "cdrom")01:02
crhyloveGood idea.  BRB01:02
fsmithredor restart /etc/init.d/sudo01:02
fsmithredoops01:02
fsmithrednope01:02
debdogI wanna be in Hawii01:04
crhyloveHawaii is pretty awesome.01:04
fsmithredthat would be nice01:04
crhyloveStill not a member of the operator group.01:04
fsmithredit rates as the healtiest state to live in01:05
crhylovehaven't tried to su k3b yet....01:05
crhyloverhy is not in the sudoers file.01:05
fsmithredoperator group?01:05
crhyloveThat's the error k3b keeps throwing on boot.01:05
debdoghere k3b does not need to be ran as root, the problem is somewhere else01:05
debdogcrhylove: what does the command "groups" return?01:06
debdogit's a one-liner, you can paste it here01:06
crhylovehttps://files.catbox.moe/zkqf71.png01:06
crhylovegroups01:07
crhylovecdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev netdev bluetooth lpadmin scanner01:07
fsmithredyou got more groups than I have01:08
debdogthat looks alright. dunno what KDE makes of it ,though01:08
fsmithredbrb01:09
crhylovehttps://files.catbox.moe/8azmwr.png01:09
debdog<crhylove> Still not a member of the operator group.  â€“  I suppose you followed the instructions in https://files.catbox.moe/zkqf71.png , right?01:10
crhyloveIf k3b would just ask for root permissions and then be alterable, this would solve all this.01:10
crhyloveTried to.  The button is grayed out to change permissions.01:10
debdogsorry, I am not familiar with KDE (I use k3b without KDE being installed)01:10
crhyloveI did get the button to work at one point, but now it won't.  But even when the button worked, you could not alter the permissions in the dialog box.01:11
crhyloveI also am using k3b without KDE.01:11
debdogin case no one here knows about that, maybe there is a KDE related IRC channel01:11
crhyloveI'm using MATE.  I think.  Crap I don't remember.  LOL01:11
debdoghehe01:11
Xenguycrhylove, try running: neofetch01:12
XenguyTo find out what DE you're running01:12
crhyloveMATE 1.26.001:12
crhylove:)01:12
crhyloveThanks.  Forgot about neofetch for a minute.01:12
fsmithredwhere is this butto you're talking about?01:15
fsmithredbutton01:15
crhyloveIn k3b in that screenshot I just posted.01:17
crhyloveI wonder if I need a newer k3b that is not in the default repos.... hadn't thought of that.01:18
crhyloveCurrently version 22.04.201:19
fsmithredmy k3b says that cdrdao and wodim need to be 471101:19
debdogcrhylove: probably not. it must be something within the desktop environment. are there settings regarding permissions/groups/etc. in Mate somewhere?01:20
crhyloveHmmm  that's an interesting idea.01:22
debdogpermissions shouldn't™ change with an update01:22
fsmithredalso, mine shows root:root as the owner, and I've only run k3b as user.01:23
fsmithredI think all I did was copy a CD.01:24
crhyloveI'm not finding the newest version for d/l anywhere.01:24
fsmithredI don't think newer is the issue. I'm in beowulf.01:24
crhyloveHmmm maybe imgburn for windows under wine....  LOL01:25
crhyloveI'm in daedalus01:25
fsmithreddid you try wodim in a terminal?01:26
debdogI am rusty with permissions, maybe the 4710 or the 0750 is too restrictive01:27
debdogin https://files.catbox.moe/8azmwr.png I mean01:27
crhyloveWell I tried 777 some of them....  But I don't think it matters since I'm not the right user.01:28
* crhylove tries some other burning apps.01:28
debdogI have 0755 for any prog listed there, crhylove01:28
debdog0755 root.root (where does the ".operator" even come from?)01:30
fsmithredmust be a daedalus thing01:30
debdogoh, daedalus – and Mate and KDE. I think I am out of my league ;)01:31
crhyloveTrying Infrarecorder under wine...01:32
fsmithredI have k3b in daedalus. Looking now.01:33
fsmithredk3b wants to change 0755 to 0470 (and 750 for growisofs)01:35
fsmithredand root:operator01:35
crhyloveYeah, so how do I do that?  LOL01:35
crhyloveand which user?01:35
crhyloveInfrarecorder is throwing an audio encoding issue.  Which is weird.  But it sees the disk writer and doesn't seem to have other issues.01:36
crhylovebrasero says install wodim, but wodim is already latest version.01:39
crhyloveHad to xkill imgburn01:43
crhylovegnomebaker libonobo not satisfiable.01:49
debdogoy vey.01:50
debdognot a k3b problem it seems01:50
crhylovehmmm  infrarecorder seemed to have successfully burned one track, but claims there is audio encoding on some tracks.  No idea why.02:02
crhyloveListening back now.  Sounds good.  Huh.02:04
debdogso wine somehow circumvents the permissions problem02:05
debdogmaybe?02:05
fsmithredI don't know if I've burned any disks in daedalus.02:06
crhyloveApparently.  *shrugs*02:07
crhyloveBurned a successful entire disk with infrarecorder, playing it back now:  Seems to be working well.  Weird?!?02:20
crhyloveWhy isn't audacity in the repos?  :cries:07:20
gnarfaceare you sure that it's not? it was...07:22
Unit193Doesn't build with ffmpeg 5.0, so testing doesn't have it.07:25
gnarfaceah07:25
crhylove:(07:28
crhyloveThat's a pretty essential one, and finding the dependencies is a drag.07:28
gnarfacemaybe you can snag the old version from debian snapshots or something like that07:31
crhyloveYeah, grabbing from the web now...07:31
rwpaudacity: severity serious, FTBFS https://bugs.debian.org/100459807:54
onefangUm, audacity IS in the repo for stable Chimaera.  If it's not in testing, well that's coz it's TESTING.07:54
onefangOh wait, might be from deb-multimedia.  I wish synaptic had a tab for packages for "comes from this repo".07:58
Unit193It does, 'origin'08:00
onefangA tab on the package side.08:02
onefangThe "origin" tab just lists all the packages from that origin.  I meant a tab for each package that lists the origin of that particular package.08:03
onefangFor audacity I'm seeing multiple versions.  The dmo (stable) one is from deb-multimedia I think, but there's also dfsg (stable) which I think is direct from debian.08:06
brocashelmyes, dmo is deb-multimedia. i got an update from them a few days ago08:07
brocashelmcurrent version in sid is 1:3.1.3-dmo208:07
onefangChimeara / stable + deb-multimedia has 1:2.4.4-dmo3 and 2.4.2~dfsg0-5.  Synaptic wont tell me which comes from where.  shrugs08:13
rrqI think "dmo" indicates deb-multimedia.org and "dfsg" indicates "debian free software guidelines"08:42
onefangThat's my thought to.08:43
onefangSo by that theory audacity 2.4.2~dfsg0-5 should be in the Devuan Chimaera repo.08:44
brocashelmi guess it's just easier to run apt show audacity -a08:46
brocashelmthere is another gui for debian package management similar to synaptic that is created by kde and uses python, iirc08:47
brocashelmmuon is the name08:48
onefangThat command shows that the dfsg version is maintained by "Debian Multimedia Maintainers <debian-multimedia@lists.debian.org>".08:48
onefangAnd the dmo version is "Christian Marillat <marillat@deb-multimedia.org>"08:49
onefangOnly the dmo version has a Bugs: entry, so I guess thu bug reporting system defaults to sending them to Debian.08:50
onefangWhich all adds up to "I was right the first time".  B-)08:50
* onefang uses synaptic to install muon. Though the professional language bigot in me goes "Python, ewww". lol08:53
onefangGood start, muon defaulted to my dark theme.08:55
onefangUsing it to update two packages, it got to "Committing Changes 50%", then stopped.09:03
onefangAnd lots of dbus log messages.09:05
brocashelmouch09:05
brocashelmmaybe this is an issue outside of a kde environment? from the surface, it looks very clean and less of a clusterfuck to search around IMO09:06
* brocashelm wonders how it would fare using tde09:06
onefangCould be, I'm not running KDE.09:06
brocashelmand using gnome-software is even worse because it restricts your selections based on gnomeshit packages only and the interface looks ugly09:07
onefangKilled muon, removed it's apt lock file, using synaptic to finish that upgrade.09:09
* onefang uses synaptic to uninstall muon. lol09:09
onefangAgreed, gnome stuff looks ugly.09:10
onefangMight be apt-listchanges confused it by wanting to show me the changelog and then wait for me to say "yep, go ahead with this change".09:13
Guest7810I want to thank you guys for this great distro. Installed it on my other machine just minutes ago and so far no issues. I'll be sure to donate soon.13:37
Guest7810I think it booted faster in sysvinit than debian's systemd does. I was actually surprised it was done sooner than I expected it to be.13:38
Guest7810Though I do have one question. Does debian's live-build work exactly the same in devuan as it does in debian? Are there any gotchas I should know about?13:43
gnarfacedevuan's live images are made with refracta13:47
gnarfacei think that's different13:47
fsmithred there are a few people using debian's live-build. Look at Star and Crows (devuan re-spin distros)13:48
buZzGuest7810: one thing systemd handles really poorly, is half working ipv6 setups :P13:49
buZzon many lxc installs (with systemd on them), i just disable ipv6 -completely- to save ~15 minute delay on boot while hanging everything up to 'get ipv6 dhcp'13:50
fsmithredGuest7810, why are you asking about live-build? Do you normally make your own live-isos in debian?13:58
fsmithredthe devuan live isos are made with live-sdk which is similar to live-build. (automatic debootstrap and chroot...)14:00
Guest7810fsmithred. I like debian because it's extremely easy to make your own ISO with your own defaults, most distros don't do that for you. So I like live-build. I'll look into the live-sdk.14:01
fsmithredGuest7810, the other thing you might want to look at is refractasnapshot. It makes a copy of your running system and puts it into a live image.14:06
fsmithredWYSIWYG iso builder14:06
Guest7810Thanks. Will do. :)14:09
fsmithredIf you want to try live-build in devuan, talk to ozitraveller or zephyr at the forum.14:09
Guest7810Sure.14:09
fsmithreddev1galaxy.org14:09
Guest7810Thank you.14:09
fsmithredyw14:09
Necrodiveroh fsmithred one question: i have a refracta 11 iso on my usb, can i use that as a live boot like the devuan live boot as well? i completely forgot if you could or not15:37
fsmithredNecrodiver, I don't understand your question. What do you want to do?15:50
fsmithredyou mean isohybrid? If so, yes. You can dd or cat it to a usb stick.15:51
Necrodiverso the other day with that debian bug killing my system16:01
Necrodiverfor hours16:02
Necrodiveri had to use a devuan live boot to get in and fix the problem16:02
Necrodivercould i have done that with the refracta 11 iso?16:02
fsmithredNecrodiver, you could have done it more easily with refracta16:13
fsmithredmount <target>16:14
fsmithredbind-mount <target>16:14
fsmithredDo you want to chroot target now? (say yes)16:14
fsmithreddo stuff, exit, unbind-mount <target>, umount <target>16:15
Necrodiveroof16:18
* Necrodiver needs to sstudy the deeper parts of linux more16:18
fsmithredyeah, those mount commands are not exact (not complete)16:18
fsmithredif the box is uefi and you boot with grub, you could drop to grub command line and boot the hard drive manually. That's a nice trick to know.16:21
Necrodiveroh thats useful16:22
fsmithredI've done that so many times, I think I did that to fix the exact problem you're talking about, but I didn't even think about it and didn't realize there was a problem with grub. I just figured it was my weird setup. (booting grub on live-usb in legacy bios mode)16:24
Necrodiverhow do you drop to grub command line?16:26
fsmithredc16:26
fsmithredpress c at the grub menu16:27
Necrodiveroh when grub loads just hit c16:27
fsmithredif you want to edit an existing entry, press e16:27
Necrodiverhad i just drop to grub command line, i could have mounted the hdd and logged in that way?16:27
fsmithredphone - back in couple mins16:28
Necrodiverk16:29
fsmithredback16:50
Necrodiverwb16:50
fsmithredat grub command line16:50
fsmithredyou using bios or uefi?16:50
fsmithredset root=(hd0,msdos1)   #if msdos partition table16:51
Necrodiveruefi i think, id have to double check but i recall seeing uefi in the menu16:51
fsmithredok, then it would be (hd0,gpt1)16:51
fsmithredassumiing first partition is where /boot is16:51
fsmithredthen...16:51
Necrodiverwell i separate my boot and home directories on different drives16:52
fsmithredlinux /vmlinuz ro root=/dev/sda1  (assuming sda1 is the root partition)16:52
fsmithredhome doesn't matter for this16:52
fsmithredthen...16:52
fsmithredinitrd /initrd.img16:52
fsmithredthen...16:52
fsmithredboot16:52
fsmithredobviously, press enter after each command16:53
Necrodiveryeah thats obvious16:53
Necrodiverlol16:53
fsmithredand tab-complete works on grub command line16:53
Necrodivernoice16:53
se7enI am having problems with full-upgrade from apt via tor. I am unsure if it is a local issue or a problem with the onion21:23
se7enExample:21:23
se7enErr:6 tor+http://devuanauxrkggcowgm2vcs6go3c5pgxdidd5wqjpg7zpfaxkmgspr6id.onion/merged chimaera/main amd64 linux-libc-dev amd64 5.10.140-121:23
se7en  Timed out while waiting to read 'first part of response' from proxy socks5h://127.0.0.1:9050 [IP: 127.0.0.1 9050]21:23

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