djph | Soltis: because "coders" and stack-overflow | 00:04 |
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onefang | dan9er[m]: You are welcome. I use unbound as well, but had to teach it about Quad9, which it doesn't use by default. | 00:12 |
crhylove | OK, so I've been beating myself up for months on this now. | 00:24 |
crhylove | I cannot get a CD to burn. | 00:24 |
crhylove | xfburn "works", but then the audio CD is corrupted. | 00:25 |
crhylove | k3b I cannot alter the permissions. Tried a lot of things pursuant to that already. | 00:25 |
crhylove | Every time I open it I get the errors: insufficient permissions: wodim, cdrdao, growisofs | 00:26 |
crhylove | I also cannot alter the permissions from within k3b, even though I put in my root password. | 00:26 |
crhylove | chmod 777 /dev/sr0 also doesn't help. | 00:26 |
crhylove | Also I can't sudo k3b and run as root because I'm not in the sudoers file. | 00:29 |
crhylove | And running from a root terminal, I get a Qt error. "platform plugin xcb" cannot be run even though it was found. | 00:30 |
crhylove | also tried: usermod -g cdrom rhy (my username) | 00:41 |
debdog | crhylove: for GUI programmes I need to run as root I use ssh (ssh root@localhost). you need to configure ssh to forward X11. | 00:58 |
crhylove | hmmm That's not a terrible plan: And one I haven't tried! | 00:59 |
debdog | wait, crhylove, I should have read more of the history here | 00:59 |
crhylove | Would be better if I could just fix k3b permissions. | 00:59 |
fsmithred | other way to do it is put 'ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes' in /etc/default/su | 00:59 |
crhylove | @fsmithred, what else will that effect? *nervous* | 01:00 |
fsmithred | nothing. Read man su. | 01:00 |
crhylove | There is no su | 01:00 |
fsmithred | they changed the path when su got moved to a different package | 01:00 |
crhylove | in /etc/default | 01:00 |
fsmithred | right. YOu make it. | 01:00 |
debdog | check wheter your user is part of group cdrom | 01:01 |
fsmithred | are you in cdrom | 01:01 |
fsmithred | that | 01:01 |
crhylove | Yeah, I added my user name to that group. Still didn't work. | 01:01 |
rrq | .. and re+login after adding group | 01:01 |
fsmithred | oh yeah | 01:01 |
crhylove | @rrq....oooooohhhhh | 01:01 |
crhylove | DUH. | 01:02 |
debdog | (in /etc/group, your username should be listet somewhere after "cdrom") | 01:02 |
crhylove | Good idea. BRB | 01:02 |
fsmithred | or restart /etc/init.d/sudo | 01:02 |
fsmithred | oops | 01:02 |
fsmithred | nope | 01:02 |
debdog | I wanna be in Hawii | 01:04 |
crhylove | Hawaii is pretty awesome. | 01:04 |
fsmithred | that would be nice | 01:04 |
crhylove | Still not a member of the operator group. | 01:04 |
fsmithred | it rates as the healtiest state to live in | 01:05 |
crhylove | haven't tried to su k3b yet.... | 01:05 |
crhylove | rhy is not in the sudoers file. | 01:05 |
fsmithred | operator group? | 01:05 |
crhylove | That's the error k3b keeps throwing on boot. | 01:05 |
debdog | here k3b does not need to be ran as root, the problem is somewhere else | 01:05 |
debdog | crhylove: what does the command "groups" return? | 01:06 |
debdog | it's a one-liner, you can paste it here | 01:06 |
crhylove | https://files.catbox.moe/zkqf71.png | 01:06 |
crhylove | groups | 01:07 |
crhylove | cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev netdev bluetooth lpadmin scanner | 01:07 |
fsmithred | you got more groups than I have | 01:08 |
debdog | that looks alright. dunno what KDE makes of it ,though | 01:08 |
fsmithred | brb | 01:09 |
crhylove | https://files.catbox.moe/8azmwr.png | 01:09 |
debdog | <crhylove> Still not a member of the operator group. â I suppose you followed the instructions in https://files.catbox.moe/zkqf71.png , right? | 01:10 |
crhylove | If k3b would just ask for root permissions and then be alterable, this would solve all this. | 01:10 |
crhylove | Tried to. The button is grayed out to change permissions. | 01:10 |
debdog | sorry, I am not familiar with KDE (I use k3b without KDE being installed) | 01:10 |
crhylove | I did get the button to work at one point, but now it won't. But even when the button worked, you could not alter the permissions in the dialog box. | 01:11 |
crhylove | I also am using k3b without KDE. | 01:11 |
debdog | in case no one here knows about that, maybe there is a KDE related IRC channel | 01:11 |
crhylove | I'm using MATE. I think. Crap I don't remember. LOL | 01:11 |
debdog | hehe | 01:11 |
Xenguy | crhylove, try running: neofetch | 01:12 |
Xenguy | To find out what DE you're running | 01:12 |
crhylove | MATE 1.26.0 | 01:12 |
crhylove | :) | 01:12 |
crhylove | Thanks. Forgot about neofetch for a minute. | 01:12 |
fsmithred | where is this butto you're talking about? | 01:15 |
fsmithred | button | 01:15 |
crhylove | In k3b in that screenshot I just posted. | 01:17 |
crhylove | I wonder if I need a newer k3b that is not in the default repos.... hadn't thought of that. | 01:18 |
crhylove | Currently version 22.04.2 | 01:19 |
fsmithred | my k3b says that cdrdao and wodim need to be 4711 | 01:19 |
debdog | crhylove: probably not. it must be something within the desktop environment. are there settings regarding permissions/groups/etc. in Mate somewhere? | 01:20 |
crhylove | Hmmm that's an interesting idea. | 01:22 |
debdog | permissions shouldn't⢠change with an update | 01:22 |
fsmithred | also, mine shows root:root as the owner, and I've only run k3b as user. | 01:23 |
fsmithred | I think all I did was copy a CD. | 01:24 |
crhylove | I'm not finding the newest version for d/l anywhere. | 01:24 |
fsmithred | I don't think newer is the issue. I'm in beowulf. | 01:24 |
crhylove | Hmmm maybe imgburn for windows under wine.... LOL | 01:25 |
crhylove | I'm in daedalus | 01:25 |
fsmithred | did you try wodim in a terminal? | 01:26 |
debdog | I am rusty with permissions, maybe the 4710 or the 0750 is too restrictive | 01:27 |
debdog | in https://files.catbox.moe/8azmwr.png I mean | 01:27 |
crhylove | Well I tried 777 some of them.... But I don't think it matters since I'm not the right user. | 01:28 |
* crhylove tries some other burning apps. | 01:28 | |
debdog | I have 0755 for any prog listed there, crhylove | 01:28 |
debdog | 0755 root.root (where does the ".operator" even come from?) | 01:30 |
fsmithred | must be a daedalus thing | 01:30 |
debdog | oh, daedalus â and Mate and KDE. I think I am out of my league ;) | 01:31 |
crhylove | Trying Infrarecorder under wine... | 01:32 |
fsmithred | I have k3b in daedalus. Looking now. | 01:33 |
fsmithred | k3b wants to change 0755 to 0470 (and 750 for growisofs) | 01:35 |
fsmithred | and root:operator | 01:35 |
crhylove | Yeah, so how do I do that? LOL | 01:35 |
crhylove | and which user? | 01:35 |
crhylove | Infrarecorder is throwing an audio encoding issue. Which is weird. But it sees the disk writer and doesn't seem to have other issues. | 01:36 |
crhylove | brasero says install wodim, but wodim is already latest version. | 01:39 |
crhylove | Had to xkill imgburn | 01:43 |
crhylove | gnomebaker libonobo not satisfiable. | 01:49 |
debdog | oy vey. | 01:50 |
debdog | not a k3b problem it seems | 01:50 |
crhylove | hmmm infrarecorder seemed to have successfully burned one track, but claims there is audio encoding on some tracks. No idea why. | 02:02 |
crhylove | Listening back now. Sounds good. Huh. | 02:04 |
debdog | so wine somehow circumvents the permissions problem | 02:05 |
debdog | maybe? | 02:05 |
fsmithred | I don't know if I've burned any disks in daedalus. | 02:06 |
crhylove | Apparently. *shrugs* | 02:07 |
crhylove | Burned a successful entire disk with infrarecorder, playing it back now: Seems to be working well. Weird?!? | 02:20 |
crhylove | Why isn't audacity in the repos? :cries: | 07:20 |
gnarface | are you sure that it's not? it was... | 07:22 |
Unit193 | Doesn't build with ffmpeg 5.0, so testing doesn't have it. | 07:25 |
gnarface | ah | 07:25 |
crhylove | :( | 07:28 |
crhylove | That's a pretty essential one, and finding the dependencies is a drag. | 07:28 |
gnarface | maybe you can snag the old version from debian snapshots or something like that | 07:31 |
crhylove | Yeah, grabbing from the web now... | 07:31 |
rwp | audacity: severity serious, FTBFS https://bugs.debian.org/1004598 | 07:54 |
onefang | Um, audacity IS in the repo for stable Chimaera. If it's not in testing, well that's coz it's TESTING. | 07:54 |
onefang | Oh wait, might be from deb-multimedia. I wish synaptic had a tab for packages for "comes from this repo". | 07:58 |
Unit193 | It does, 'origin' | 08:00 |
onefang | A tab on the package side. | 08:02 |
onefang | The "origin" tab just lists all the packages from that origin. I meant a tab for each package that lists the origin of that particular package. | 08:03 |
onefang | For audacity I'm seeing multiple versions. The dmo (stable) one is from deb-multimedia I think, but there's also dfsg (stable) which I think is direct from debian. | 08:06 |
brocashelm | yes, dmo is deb-multimedia. i got an update from them a few days ago | 08:07 |
brocashelm | current version in sid is 1:3.1.3-dmo2 | 08:07 |
onefang | Chimeara / stable + deb-multimedia has 1:2.4.4-dmo3 and 2.4.2~dfsg0-5. Synaptic wont tell me which comes from where. shrugs | 08:13 |
rrq | I think "dmo" indicates deb-multimedia.org and "dfsg" indicates "debian free software guidelines" | 08:42 |
onefang | That's my thought to. | 08:43 |
onefang | So by that theory audacity 2.4.2~dfsg0-5 should be in the Devuan Chimaera repo. | 08:44 |
brocashelm | i guess it's just easier to run apt show audacity -a | 08:46 |
brocashelm | there is another gui for debian package management similar to synaptic that is created by kde and uses python, iirc | 08:47 |
brocashelm | muon is the name | 08:48 |
onefang | That command shows that the dfsg version is maintained by "Debian Multimedia Maintainers <debian-multimedia@lists.debian.org>". | 08:48 |
onefang | And the dmo version is "Christian Marillat <marillat@deb-multimedia.org>" | 08:49 |
onefang | Only the dmo version has a Bugs: entry, so I guess thu bug reporting system defaults to sending them to Debian. | 08:50 |
onefang | Which all adds up to "I was right the first time". B-) | 08:50 |
* onefang uses synaptic to install muon. Though the professional language bigot in me goes "Python, ewww". lol | 08:53 | |
onefang | Good start, muon defaulted to my dark theme. | 08:55 |
onefang | Using it to update two packages, it got to "Committing Changes 50%", then stopped. | 09:03 |
onefang | And lots of dbus log messages. | 09:05 |
brocashelm | ouch | 09:05 |
brocashelm | maybe this is an issue outside of a kde environment? from the surface, it looks very clean and less of a clusterfuck to search around IMO | 09:06 |
* brocashelm wonders how it would fare using tde | 09:06 | |
onefang | Could be, I'm not running KDE. | 09:06 |
brocashelm | and using gnome-software is even worse because it restricts your selections based on gnomeshit packages only and the interface looks ugly | 09:07 |
onefang | Killed muon, removed it's apt lock file, using synaptic to finish that upgrade. | 09:09 |
* onefang uses synaptic to uninstall muon. lol | 09:09 | |
onefang | Agreed, gnome stuff looks ugly. | 09:10 |
onefang | Might be apt-listchanges confused it by wanting to show me the changelog and then wait for me to say "yep, go ahead with this change". | 09:13 |
Guest7810 | I want to thank you guys for this great distro. Installed it on my other machine just minutes ago and so far no issues. I'll be sure to donate soon. | 13:37 |
Guest7810 | I think it booted faster in sysvinit than debian's systemd does. I was actually surprised it was done sooner than I expected it to be. | 13:38 |
Guest7810 | Though I do have one question. Does debian's live-build work exactly the same in devuan as it does in debian? Are there any gotchas I should know about? | 13:43 |
gnarface | devuan's live images are made with refracta | 13:47 |
gnarface | i think that's different | 13:47 |
fsmithred | there are a few people using debian's live-build. Look at Star and Crows (devuan re-spin distros) | 13:48 |
buZz | Guest7810: one thing systemd handles really poorly, is half working ipv6 setups :P | 13:49 |
buZz | on many lxc installs (with systemd on them), i just disable ipv6 -completely- to save ~15 minute delay on boot while hanging everything up to 'get ipv6 dhcp' | 13:50 |
fsmithred | Guest7810, why are you asking about live-build? Do you normally make your own live-isos in debian? | 13:58 |
fsmithred | the devuan live isos are made with live-sdk which is similar to live-build. (automatic debootstrap and chroot...) | 14:00 |
Guest7810 | fsmithred. I like debian because it's extremely easy to make your own ISO with your own defaults, most distros don't do that for you. So I like live-build. I'll look into the live-sdk. | 14:01 |
fsmithred | Guest7810, the other thing you might want to look at is refractasnapshot. It makes a copy of your running system and puts it into a live image. | 14:06 |
fsmithred | WYSIWYG iso builder | 14:06 |
Guest7810 | Thanks. Will do. :) | 14:09 |
fsmithred | If you want to try live-build in devuan, talk to ozitraveller or zephyr at the forum. | 14:09 |
Guest7810 | Sure. | 14:09 |
fsmithred | dev1galaxy.org | 14:09 |
Guest7810 | Thank you. | 14:09 |
fsmithred | yw | 14:09 |
Necrodiver | oh fsmithred one question: i have a refracta 11 iso on my usb, can i use that as a live boot like the devuan live boot as well? i completely forgot if you could or not | 15:37 |
fsmithred | Necrodiver, I don't understand your question. What do you want to do? | 15:50 |
fsmithred | you mean isohybrid? If so, yes. You can dd or cat it to a usb stick. | 15:51 |
Necrodiver | so the other day with that debian bug killing my system | 16:01 |
Necrodiver | for hours | 16:02 |
Necrodiver | i had to use a devuan live boot to get in and fix the problem | 16:02 |
Necrodiver | could i have done that with the refracta 11 iso? | 16:02 |
fsmithred | Necrodiver, you could have done it more easily with refracta | 16:13 |
fsmithred | mount <target> | 16:14 |
fsmithred | bind-mount <target> | 16:14 |
fsmithred | Do you want to chroot target now? (say yes) | 16:14 |
fsmithred | do stuff, exit, unbind-mount <target>, umount <target> | 16:15 |
Necrodiver | oof | 16:18 |
* Necrodiver needs to sstudy the deeper parts of linux more | 16:18 | |
fsmithred | yeah, those mount commands are not exact (not complete) | 16:18 |
fsmithred | if the box is uefi and you boot with grub, you could drop to grub command line and boot the hard drive manually. That's a nice trick to know. | 16:21 |
Necrodiver | oh thats useful | 16:22 |
fsmithred | I've done that so many times, I think I did that to fix the exact problem you're talking about, but I didn't even think about it and didn't realize there was a problem with grub. I just figured it was my weird setup. (booting grub on live-usb in legacy bios mode) | 16:24 |
Necrodiver | how do you drop to grub command line? | 16:26 |
fsmithred | c | 16:26 |
fsmithred | press c at the grub menu | 16:27 |
Necrodiver | oh when grub loads just hit c | 16:27 |
fsmithred | if you want to edit an existing entry, press e | 16:27 |
Necrodiver | had i just drop to grub command line, i could have mounted the hdd and logged in that way? | 16:27 |
fsmithred | phone - back in couple mins | 16:28 |
Necrodiver | k | 16:29 |
fsmithred | back | 16:50 |
Necrodiver | wb | 16:50 |
fsmithred | at grub command line | 16:50 |
fsmithred | you using bios or uefi? | 16:50 |
fsmithred | set root=(hd0,msdos1) #if msdos partition table | 16:51 |
Necrodiver | uefi i think, id have to double check but i recall seeing uefi in the menu | 16:51 |
fsmithred | ok, then it would be (hd0,gpt1) | 16:51 |
fsmithred | assumiing first partition is where /boot is | 16:51 |
fsmithred | then... | 16:51 |
Necrodiver | well i separate my boot and home directories on different drives | 16:52 |
fsmithred | linux /vmlinuz ro root=/dev/sda1 (assuming sda1 is the root partition) | 16:52 |
fsmithred | home doesn't matter for this | 16:52 |
fsmithred | then... | 16:52 |
fsmithred | initrd /initrd.img | 16:52 |
fsmithred | then... | 16:52 |
fsmithred | boot | 16:52 |
fsmithred | obviously, press enter after each command | 16:53 |
Necrodiver | yeah thats obvious | 16:53 |
Necrodiver | lol | 16:53 |
fsmithred | and tab-complete works on grub command line | 16:53 |
Necrodiver | noice | 16:53 |
se7en | I am having problems with full-upgrade from apt via tor. I am unsure if it is a local issue or a problem with the onion | 21:23 |
se7en | Example: | 21:23 |
se7en | Err:6 tor+http://devuanauxrkggcowgm2vcs6go3c5pgxdidd5wqjpg7zpfaxkmgspr6id.onion/merged chimaera/main amd64 linux-libc-dev amd64 5.10.140-1 | 21:23 |
se7en | Timed out while waiting to read 'first part of response' from proxy socks5h://127.0.0.1:9050 [IP: 127.0.0.1 9050] | 21:23 |
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