libera/#devuan/ Friday, 2022-09-30

onerwp, yeah... I was just wanting to get acquainted with this chat and irc(been a while). But, it's probably good to note the daemonize package issue.... so people interested don't get turned off until Debian fixes the issue. For example, same install process works perfectly on ubuntu22... as well as Devuan version of Peppermint worked without a hitch..00:26
oneDoes Devuan have any "System Administrator" type manuals? Or is it really Debian Admin? BC its basically the same00:34
Xenguy_one, It would be the same, except for systemd of course02:26
rwpone, The Debian Reference is quite good.  Online.  Free.  https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/04:59
rwpone, A somewhat dated now reference was good.  The Debian System: Concepts and Techniques, by Marin F. Krafft, No Starch Press, 2005.05:00
onerwp: I also like debian, but found that I got slightly better outcomes using gnu sites.. but lots of overlap. Also, FREE BSD resources are just awesome. I found my learning accelerated by tackling the same tasks accross diferrent systems. helped me better identify same process in different env's. Which is massive for noobs05:39
onethanks for that pointer, really is an extensive at Debian. And, I found my most recent fix for a hiccup using Debian site just this afternoon! really is great!05:41
rwpone, Since Devuan is an overlay on Debian all of that Debian knowledge is useful for Devuan too.05:48
rwpAnd I agree that doing cross platform development and testing is very good.  Every new platform taught me something about my programs.05:48
onerwp, right. I also like it bc I like to fantasize about free/open source going big tent where we all are just what container today? Not Im a windows, or linux guy etc07:01
oneor a debian, ubuntu, parrot etc guy.... lol07:02
oneLike even the Debs like to gnaw on each other. More than just competitive banter07:02
oneOh, was kinda curious, is Peppermint Devuan have to do with Devuan?07:03
oneI guess it's Peppermint 11(Devuan)07:03
Xenguyone, Not sure about Peppermint; not listed here:  https://www.devuan.org/os/devuan-distros07:06
XenguyInteresting:  https://news.itsfoss.com/peppermint-os-devuan/07:07
XenguyMaybe we should be updating that devuan page, hrm07:07
oneI mean, I LOVE peppermint. And, I'm actually running regular Devuan only bc I'm lazy and the USB I had made went sour, and i didn't feel like doing more, so just netbootxyz'ed into net install07:08
onePeppermint is really good for noobs, and gaining exposure to possibilities when you don't have a clear concept of all limitations07:09
onethat's my interpretation07:09
XenguyFirst I've heard of it (I don't distro hop anymore these days)07:10
onethat's all i've been doing, guess that makes me distro floozie07:13
oneLOL07:13
XenguyNo, I think everyone explores that at some point07:13
XenguyOr many folks07:13
oneIt is fun...07:26
NeverAloneDistrohopping is quite fun09:21
oz4gaNeverAlone: fun? Thats a new one.09:36
oz4gaonefang & fsmithred : I manged to get my Devuan to run natively on ZFS, so I'm so happy. It turned out, that there is an error in Open-ZFSs documentation on which options you should set on you root zvol.09:40
oz4ga-O dnodesize=auto is *ABSOLUTELY NOT* to be set if you want Devuan patched / updated to understand ZFS. The filesystem will "unknown" after spotting that one, it was almost duck soup to copy / rsync a running system from an ext2 or ext4 system to a new disk with ZFS. And boot vol NAH! no need for that. all you need i a zvol for "7" and an efi partition (2 since I'm running a on a ZFSmirror) thta all you need09:43
oz4ga\o> \o/ <o/09:43
rrq0  (Ethernet)09:43
rrqlo: flags=73<UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING>  mtu 65536 inet 127.0.0.1  netmask 255.0.0.009:43
rrqsorry ... mistaken pasting09:45
onefangAt least it wasn't a password.09:45
oz4galol09:45
onefangWell done oz4ga.09:46
oz4gathank you and thank you for your patiensce09:46
oz4gaI better send those open-zfs a note on my findings, so they can update their "Debian Bullseye Root on ZFS" guuide09:47
oz4gaopen-zfs guys. I cant find my ffc /fat finger corrector) ;)09:48
NeverAlone<oz4ga> "AloneER0: fun? Thats a new one." <- Fun unless it will get out off hand09:49
NeverAloneI think you get what I mean09:49
freemangordonlinux-image-amd64 : Depends: linux-image-4.19.0-22-amd64 but it is not installable11:45
freemangordonis that normal or just a transition period?11:45
djphwhy's it complaining you can't install 4.19?11:45
djphalso, which devuan release is this?11:45
freemangordonoldstable11:46
freemangordonbeowulf11:46
freemangordonI have linux-image-4.19.0-21-amd64 installed and trying to upgrade the kernel11:46
djphhm, that should be able to pull in 4.19 ..11:46
djphdon't have a beowulf around to double-check though.  everything here's moved up to chimaera :(11:47
freemangordonseems linux-image-4.19.0-22-amd64 is missing in the repos, but maybe it needs time to be build, that's why I am asking11:47
djphsomething seems amiss -- debian side dependency is 4.19.0-2111:50
freemangordonsomething seems broken, as there is linux-headers-4.19.0-22-amd6411:53
freemangordonbut not linux-image-4.19.0-22-amd6411:54
djphseems so11:55
freemangordonthe breakage seems to be in debian repos though11:56
rrqhttps://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=linux-image-4.19.0-22&x=submit11:56
gnarfaceah yes, as i suspected11:57
gnarfacemake sure beowulf-security is in your sources, freemangordon11:57
freemangordonI think it is, lemme double-check11:57
fatalwhat if you do `apt install linux-image-amd64`?11:58
freemangordondeb https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security main contrib non-free11:58
gnarfacehmm, try it without https11:58
freemangordonlinux-image-amd64 : Depends: linux-image-4.19.0-22-amd64 but it is not installabl11:58
freemangordonok11:58
fatalis this a dist-upgrade or just backports?11:59
gnarfaceshould not need either in this case12:00
gnarfacei don't think so anyway, for a minor revision bump?12:00
freemangordonsame result: https://pastebin.com/XkDnbeZt12:00
gnarfacemaybe yes on dist-upgrade because it's the kernel12:00
gnarfacebut i didn't think so12:00
gnarfaceno idea what's wrong sorry12:01
freemangordonwell, installing manually should not need dist-upgrade12:01
gnarfaceif you want me to look at the paste, just /msg it to me or use paste.debian.net12:01
fatalwhat your sources.list look like?12:01
fsmithredif kernel metapackage is installed, you should get new kernels automatically on upgrade12:01
fsmithredI'm doing an upgrade on beowulf right now. Will see what I get in a minute.12:01
freemangordonfatal: see pastebin ^^^12:01
freemangordonfsmithred: ok12:02
fatalk12:02
freemangordonomg: https://pastebin.com/1j6ktVmU12:04
fatalapt install -f ; dpkg --reconfigure -a12:09
freemangordonfatal: it is not that I don;t know how to install a package by hand, the point is that upgrade fails12:10
fatalmaybe something held back in /etc/apt?12:11
freemangordonlets see how fsmithred's upgrade will finish, that'd give a clue if it is something broken on my system or in general12:12
fsmithredii  linux-headers-4.19.0-22-amd6412:15
fsmithredii  linux-image-4.19.0-21-amd6412:15
freemangordonyes, headers are installed12:15
freemangordonexactly12:15
fsmithredPackage linux-image-4.19.0-22-amd64 is not available12:16
fsmithredHowever the following packages replace it:12:16
fsmithred  linux-image-4.19.0-22-amd64-unsigned12:16
freemangordonmhm12:16
fataltry installing at least the *-21-amd6412:16
fsmithredSelecting previously unselected package linux-image-4.19.0-22-amd64-unsigned.12:17
fsmithredit's installing12:17
freemangordonbut you still cannot install linux-image-amd6412:17
freemangordonas it has a hard dependency on linux-image-4.19.0-22-amd6412:18
freemangordonand -unsigned package does not seem to provide it12:18
fsmithredI haven't gotten that far yet12:18
freemangordonit Replaces: linux-image-4.19.0-22-amd64 and Conflicts: linux-image-4.19.0-22-amd64, but does not Provides: linux-image-4.19.0-22-amd6412:19
freemangordonsee apt-cache show linux-image-4.19.0-22-amd64-unsigned12:19
freemangordonsomeone must have forgotten to add Provides: line in debian/control12:20
fsmithredeither that or add the -unigned to the deps in the metapackage12:22
freemangordonright12:24
fsmithredaptitude sums it up:  linux-image-amd64 : Depends: linux-image-4.19.0-22-amd64 which is a virtual package and is not provided by any available package12:25
fsmithredthat should get a bug report to debian if there isn't already one12:25
fatalsame here on a virtual machine with beowulf. trying to dist-upgrade now.13:15
fatalwhich worked, i now have 5.10.0-18-amd64 kernel with chimaera.13:23
fsmithredoh, the same problem exists in chimaera?13:23
fatalno, with beowulf. when i did apt full-upgrade.13:24
fatali now did a dist-upgrade13:24
fsmithredthose should be the same13:24
fsmithredoh, nm. you upgraded to chimaera?13:24
fatalyes13:24
fataljust apparmor is complaining at boot but it did it before13:25
fatalinit 613:25
fatal...13:25
fsmithredI remove that if it sneaks in.13:25
fatalso in beowulf with full-upgrade it gives you this error13:26
buZzfatal: did you do 'apt update13:26
buZz *prior* to upgrade?13:26
fatali now just purged 4.19.0-1413:26
freemangordonbuZz: there is a bug in one of the packages13:27
buZzaah ok13:27
freemangordonsee scrollback13:27
fatalbuZz: i did a regular update and then tried also full-upgrade13:27
buZzoh ok, i've already been chimaera for a while on desktop13:27
freemangordonbuZz: leste VM is on beowulf (as is leste in general)13:28
buZzhmhm13:28
buZzyeah but quite different kernel :D13:29
fatal`apt update ; apt upgrade ; ...` doesn't throw you that dependency error13:29
freemangordonit says a packge is held back13:29
freemangordonbut ugrades headers if you have installed13:29
fatali used the beowulf net-installer if it helps13:30
freemangordonso you are in situation in which you have headers there is no image for13:30
fatalno headers13:30
fatalnvm13:40
fatalanybody know what /etc/apt.conf.d/01autoremove-kernels is for?13:44
Deknoswell.. autoremoving older kernels?13:49
djphfatal: stab in teh dark -- to auto-remove old stuff13:49
fatalsounds reasonable13:50
fatalso i just dropped openssh for dropbear, now the thing is that it also cleaned out some unicode characters.15:01
fatal...like 70Mb of stuff.15:02
fatalyeah dropbear works, i have nothing for sshfs yet and yeah i'm missing characters.15:02
fatalif anyone know where they are please message me in any public channel15:03
fatalmeanwhile i'm looking through 116 lines of removed packages15:14
XenguyI think I got the same kernel error on Beowulf as someone above:  https://paste.debian.net/hidden/1f9fc081/19:30
XenguyAssuming this is a Debian issue19:30
Atari-FroschJust seen while installing a new system with Chimaera: intel-microcodes depends on iucode-tool, but that package does not exist in Chimaera (or Bullseye).23:29
XenguyHuh, definitely some disturbance in the force today (analogous issue with Beowulf kernel today also)23:39

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