| devuan | completed | 00:00 |
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| golinux | Great! Welcome aboard!! | 00:01 |
| jibartik50 | hi #devuan! | 05:57 |
| gnarface | hi, slow channel but just ask your question and be patient | 06:00 |
| jibartik50 | I'm debating using openrc on my archlinux system as opposed to the default systemd, and I'm in the dark as to educated reasons for or against. | 06:01 |
| Necrodiver | isnt this off topic? | 06:01 |
| jibartik50 | I figured if I want the anti-systemd side of the story I would ask in here? | 06:01 |
| jibartik50 | I'll err on the side of caution though, sorry | 06:02 |
| Necrodiver | the story is easy to understand with this video: https://odysee.com/@MaxJenius:7/mgtowoflinux:7 | 06:02 |
| Necrodiver | i mirrored this because its blocked behind age restriction on theytube | 06:03 |
| Necrodiver | take a look at that video as to why systemd is evil. | 06:03 |
| golinux | https://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1408.1/02496.html | 06:04 |
| golinux | from 2014 just before the fork . . . | 06:04 |
| Necrodiver | the video i linked is from like 2018 or something originally | 06:05 |
| Necrodiver | jibartik50: btw if youre gonna use arch with openrc, just use artix. | 06:06 |
| Necrodiver | the golden rule of non-systemd distros is, if you want debian, use devuan, and if you want arch, use artix. | 06:07 |
| golinux | Should probably take this to OT. | 06:07 |
| Necrodiver | yeah i thought so | 06:07 |
| golinux | :) | 06:07 |
| jibartik50 | i apologize if this is the wrong venue, thanks though it's appreciated | 06:07 |
| golinux | #devuan-offtopic | 06:08 |
| jibartik50 | done | 06:08 |
| golinux | No need to apologize. | 06:08 |
| sunshavi | mib | 06:10 |
| sunshavi | sorry | 06:10 |
| global_elites | hi how do I stop Devuan looking for a swap file on bootup? | 12:41 |
| lts | global_elites: edit /etc/fstab | 12:42 |
| global_elites | i thought i'd done that but it still hangs | 12:43 |
| global_elites | this is my fstab https://pastebin.mozilla.org/hQVxzUs2 | 12:44 |
| lts | Something else is calling it then. Check your grub arguments, "dmesg" output, whether any other service is trying to setup (encrypted?) swap, initramfs as well | 12:47 |
| lts | "grep -ir swap /etc | less" might produce a lucky hit too | 12:48 |
| global_elites | thanks | 12:53 |
| hagbard | I just found the package dummy-systemd-dev in devuan-experimental. Good to have, I guess. I think we might alse need a dummy-libsystemd-dev, to satisfy packages which depend on libsystemd-dev. | 13:44 |
| Necrodiver | the last time sudo updated and got locked into soystainD, i coulda sworn there was a dummy package that came with it | 13:53 |
| furrymcgee | not realy good to have, its a burden to carry those dependencies | 13:56 |
| hagbard | Yes it would be cleaner to not have those dependencies in the first place. | 13:58 |
| Necrodiver | blame debian | 13:59 |
| hagbard | That I do. | 14:00 |
| Necrodiver | like if devuan had more devs im sure that they could fork some other packages or rewrite some packages to cover for this stuff, but i know they are undermanned | 14:00 |
| Necrodiver | these dummy packages are the best way to deal with this at the present time | 14:01 |
| Necrodiver | and i dont mind some dummy packages if it means freedom from that spyware | 14:01 |
| Necrodiver | right now im more concerned about xfce 4.18 | 14:02 |
| hagbard | I'd offer to put some time/effort into devuan to fork packages. Already had to help myself here and there with modifying packages to make them installable. | 14:09 |
| Necrodiver | you should tell golinux or fsmithred | 14:10 |
| Necrodiver | if youre serious | 14:11 |
| hagbard | Current candidate is libfluidsynth-dev, which is currently not installable without uninstalling a substancial chunk of the system, due to it's dependence on libsystemd-dev. | 14:11 |
| onefang | Chat with us Devuan devs in #devuan-dev. | 14:11 |
| onefang | Though I'm not the one to chat with. lol | 14:12 |
| Necrodiver | lol | 14:12 |
| onefang | Unless you want to help me with herding the package mirrors. B-) | 14:12 |
| Necrodiver | me neither, i just know who to direct queries too | 14:12 |
| rrq | hagbard: https://git.devuan.org/devuan/documentation/src/branch/master/maintainers | 14:13 |
| hagbard | Looks like i should just grab a package or two, see what I can do with them, report back, and then become a maintainer of them, if everyone is happy with the results? | 14:16 |
| onefang | Works for me. | 14:16 |
| hagbard | Not sure if could help with herding mirrors. I could operate one, if there's a lack of mirrors. | 14:24 |
| onefang | More is always good. Though again, talk with us in #devuan-dev about these things. | 14:26 |
| gnarface | hmm, definitely something wrong with my qemu command-line; on a whim i tried selecting dhcp in the installer and it worked where static ip did not | 17:31 |
| gnarface | there isn't even a dhcp server running as far as i understood it | 17:31 |
| gnarface | i guess that is part of the misunderstanding | 17:31 |
| gnarface | also it seems to have selected .2 for the gateway despite .1 not being in use... very weird | 17:32 |
| gnarface | makes me wonder if my static config would have worked if i had changed the default gateway setting to be .2 instead of .1 | 17:32 |
| gnarface | although i can't be sure if the hostfwd to ssh attempt wasn't sabotaged by low entropy in the guest... | 17:49 |
| gnarface | it must have been the gateway | 18:08 |
| gnarface | the openbsd installer figured this out from the qemu command-line somehow??? | 18:08 |
| bgstack15 | I am having trouble getting vlc to play video on my Devuan Ceres (freshly updated) install. I have an Nvidia graphics card. | 22:44 |
| bgstack15 | mpv can play videos just fine, but vlc shows no video output at all, with errors on the command line: | 22:44 |
| bgstack15 | [000056163ca01600] main libvlc: Running vlc with the default interface. Use 'cvlc' to use vlc without interface. | 22:44 |
| bgstack15 | [00007f7f640048a0] gl gl: Initialized libplacebo v4.208.0 (API v208) | 22:44 |
| bgstack15 | [00007f7f640a7d40] chain filter error: Too high level of recursion (3) | 22:44 |
| bgstack15 | can anybody give me some pointers as to what to try to get video back in vlc? | 22:45 |
| hagbard | That message probably isn't related to the missing video output. I get it all the time, with video playing just fine. | 22:50 |
| hagbard | you could try using a different video output device in the prefererences | 22:52 |
| bgstack15 | I tried enabling and disabling hw acceleration, no go | 22:56 |
| bgstack15 | I tried changing video output devices too | 22:56 |
| bb|hcb | bgstack15: Recently I a problem on a desktop with nvidia card - after upgrade but no reboot, all accelerated stuff stopped working until reboot (just guessing, maybe your problem is different) | 23:21 |
| bgstack15 | Yes, I have rebooted. | 23:51 |
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