| FilipZ | rrq: Are you online now? I did what you recommended to me before, adding that line in the interfaces, but after that it for some reason won't run a single dhclient instance on the startup, and for some reason it turns up wpa_cli and wpa_gui three times in the row, so I had to comment out that line for it to turn up wireless software correctly again. Beside that I also had that issue with the repeated disconnections happening multi | 08:29 |
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| FilipZ | es in the row, in the way that doing ifdown ifup didn't work, until repeated multiple times, where it often started disconnecting again within a single second since doing ifup on the wlan0 interface. | 08:30 |
| rrq | FilipZ: right. my suggestion wasn't good obviously; I had hoped it on reconfiguration would kill any "old" dhclient before starting a new, but things don't seem to work the way I imagined | 09:06 |
| rrq | the basic problem is that the wlan adapter falls out "for no reason" and at the same time the associated dhclient stays put. Possibly that dhclient also disturbs any adapter reset | 09:08 |
| rrq | the "problem cause" seems to be wth the adapter module and/or the firmware, which is "below" the level that wpa_* operates | 09:09 |
| rrq | and I don't think openvpn causes this problem; but that might be another thing to look into. | 09:12 |
| rrq | at least if you have set up the VPN to tunnel through wlan0 | 09:14 |
| FilipZ | If fixing that deeper hardware issue isn't anything possible, I would hope to at least make it somehow correctly restart it the softer way, when this smaller, but more frequent issue happens, and in the case of that bigger issue, find a way to either automatically(at best), or manually do a full reset of the wireless card, and the related software, what would make it work the same as the full system restart. | 09:17 |
| rrq | I guess you could expand my suggestion into changing the method to "manual" | 09:18 |
| rrq | and add you own dhclient start command as a second pre-up | 09:18 |
| FilipZ | I tried to remove the iwlwifi, and one other, related module for this, but I couldn't correctly start it all again, after this. | 09:19 |
| rrq | yeah I don't know much about which modules and how to vary them | 09:20 |
| rrq | fairly sure you do need iwlwifi but the other wight be an optional power control comdule | 09:21 |
| rrq | but again, I don't know enough at that level (for orther than random suggestions). | 09:22 |
| hagbard | Does anyone have some hints on how to reconfigure apt unattended-upgrades to work with devuan? | 16:50 |
| gnarface | i didn't think it needed anything special | 16:50 |
| gnarface | it's broken? | 16:50 |
| gnarface | i have deja-vu | 16:51 |
| hagbard | It autmatically does an update of the package lists, but doesn't upgrade the packages any more, since i switched from debian to devuan. | 16:51 |
| hagbard | The comments in the default config file state that it reads from /etc/debian_version, and uses it to expand makros in Unattended-Upgrade::Origins-Pattern | 16:53 |
| gnarface | what do you have in debian_version? | 16:53 |
| hagbard | 11.1 | 16:54 |
| hagbard | thats all | 16:54 |
| gnarface | interesting | 16:54 |
| gnarface | i'm guessing this is because it was a fresh install | 16:55 |
| gnarface | hmm, no that's not it | 16:55 |
| gnarface | this is chimaera? | 16:55 |
| hagbard | yes | 16:55 |
| gnarface | try changing it to just say bullseye instead | 16:55 |
| gnarface | or actually try changing it to chimaera | 16:56 |
| hagbard | should i just symlink /etc/debian_version to /etc/devuan_version? The latter has just "chimaera" in it. | 16:56 |
| gnarface | interesting idea | 16:57 |
| gnarface | i would say try chimaera first then try bullseye second | 17:00 |
| gnarface | there might be an entry on the forum about this | 17:00 |
| gnarface | i don't think a symlink will hurt but i can't be sure | 17:00 |
| hagbard | ok, thanks, i'll see if i can find something in the forum, if that symlink didn't improve things. | 17:02 |
| fsmithred | hagbard, do you have this file? https://salsa.debian.org/rbalint/unattended-upgrades/-/blob/master/data/50unattended-upgrades.Devuan | 17:09 |
| hagbard | No. But it looks like i _should_ have it. | 17:09 |
| hagbard | just have the debian version, that i have edited. | 17:10 |
| fsmithred | and it doesn't say devuan in it? | 17:11 |
| hagbard | didn't. | 17:16 |
| hagbard | Now it does. | 17:16 |
| hagbard | But just ran unattended-upgrade -d. It says "Marking not allowed" to every repo. | 17:17 |
| hagbard | I now repleaced the whole file with that from salsa, and just edited the release codename. Now there are more complaints in the output of unattended-upgrade -d. | 17:29 |
| hagbard | fsmithred: thx for the link. | 17:29 |
| ham5urg | Are persistent non-iso-images out there? A image with tty/ssh-login to automatically debootstrap some devuan onto the hd. | 18:34 |
| psionic | 11 bullseye, horseass 12 | 18:36 |
| psionic | Laughs Out Loud | 18:36 |
| psionic | just how many characters they have in toy story left till they run out of retarded names why not call it as it is | 18:36 |
| psionic | SystemD 10 forever | 18:37 |
| gnarface | ham5urg: something wrong with iso? | 18:37 |
| psionic | maybe make 11 cos we never increase the version number again < 11 is not an increase 11 is now = 10 | 18:37 |
| ham5urg | gnarface, an image which could be writeable would be nice too. | 18:49 |
| ham5urg | I've done a single one for own usage. | 18:50 |
| gnarface | try the mini.iso? | 18:50 |
| gnarface | hmm, where'd it go? | 18:51 |
| ham5urg | Maybe one memstick.img beside the cd.iso could be cool. | 19:02 |
| gnarface | wait, are you not aware that all these .iso files can also be used on flash memory? | 19:05 |
| gnarface | i thought you had some other reason | 19:05 |
| gnarface | to be clear these are hybrid-iso images | 19:05 |
| gnarface | ham5urg: ^ | 19:06 |
| fsmithred | ham5urg, all the live isos have debootstrap installed. If you want an iso with ssh server running, you can use a Refracta iso, which also has devuan debootstrap installed. | 19:07 |
| gnarface | i thought the issue was about having persistence on by default | 19:08 |
| fsmithred | I make a live-usb with persistence if I need to have some particular files on hand for an install. I want to know more about the automatic debootstrap install. | 19:22 |
| ham5urg | The bsd guys do have a memstick.img https://download.freebsd.org/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/13.1/ | 19:26 |
| ham5urg | With a memstick-booted machine I login via a script and install/config all necessary things. | 19:27 |
| ham5urg | login via ssh | 19:29 |
| AlexLikeRock | hi guys | 19:46 |
| AlexLikeRock | how its going '? | 19:46 |
| gnarface | AlexLikeRock: chatter is in #devuan-offtopic | 19:52 |
| gnarface | if you've got a support question though go ahead | 19:52 |
| AlexLikeRock | uppps | 19:52 |
| AlexLikeRock | sorry | 19:52 |
| eyalroz | So, an issue that's been bugging me for years now with Devuan... | 20:19 |
| eyalroz | The inability to add PPAs with add-apt-repository | 20:19 |
| eyalroz | with the error of: "aptsources.distro.NoDistroTemplateException: Error: could not find a distribution template for Devuan/daedalus ceres" | 20:19 |
| fsmithred | eyalroz, can you use PPAs with debian? | 20:23 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: Good question. I didn't actually switch to Devuan from Debian, I switched over from Mint :-P | 20:26 |
| fsmithred | It looks like it might be possible: https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/use-ubuntu-ppas-on-debian-linux/ | 20:27 |
| gnarface | i still wouldn't risk it | 20:32 |
| gnarface | just run ubuntu in a chroot, it's safer on your package dependencies | 20:33 |
| fsmithred | good idea | 20:34 |
| fsmithred | ubuntu doesn't keep package versions in sync with debian. | 20:34 |
| hagbard | You often can use ubuntu packages in debian/devuan without issues, but don't rely on it. Sometimes just the package dependencies are not solvable. Sometimes stranger things might happen. | 20:37 |
| gnarface | gremlins | 20:38 |
| hagbard | The ppas might also be available as classical package repos. | 20:41 |
| hagbard | Or the .deb might be downloaded from a web page. | 20:41 |
| hagbard | So in the verz rare case you might want to use a ubuntu package, you could do without ppa. | 20:41 |
| peterrooney | you'd think with a release name like chimaera it'd be OK to mix+match packages from different distros | 20:42 |
| fsmithred | peterrooney, you can, but you might get some strange results. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Museum_of_Anatolian_Civilizations080.jpg | 21:15 |
| bb|hcb | TBH chances that something badly breaks when you mix distros are way too high. I'd rather rebuild the PPA package for my distro (currently chimaera, switching to daedalus soon) | 21:27 |
| rwp | PSA. Don't make a FrankenDebian! (Or FrankenDevuan either!) https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Don.27t_make_a_FrankenDebian | 21:35 |
| bb|hcb | rwp: But in case you rebuild the package it is OK; I'd always advise for that, and in most cases it is quite easy | 21:37 |
| jsi | Hello. I'm using a Lenovo Thinkpad W540 with Lenovo ultra dock, running Devuan with runit. I'm trying to use multiple monitors hooked up to the docking station but can't get them to display anything. Hooking up directly to the computer works and USB/ethernet connection on the docking station works as well. Does anyone have any clues on what could | 23:07 |
| jsi | be the issue? | 23:07 |
| mcr | which drivers are you using? Some Lenovo laptops have connectors on the outside, but they connect to discrete graphics chips which are NOT POPULATED. Even if you are using the internal Intel GPU, the discrete chip needs to route the HDMI signal out. | 23:36 |
| mcr | you said docking station, but onboard works, but it could still be that issue, and you need to have the discrete driver loaded to route the signal. | 23:37 |
| mcr | (that means nouveau ...) | 23:37 |
| jsi | I found the problem! Its was in the bios, switched from advanced mode to standard mode. Now all is good, thanks for the help brother | 23:43 |
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