| nemo | what service launches rtkit-daemon ? | 02:55 |
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| nemo | dbus? | 02:55 |
| nemo | process tree is not helpful | 02:56 |
| rwp | That's a good question. I have it running. But I don't see what would have started it. | 02:58 |
| chomwitt | good day to all. in stable without a desktop (just a tiling window manager) what packages are needed to enable sound ? | 07:56 |
| debdog | alsa-base alsa-utils at least. but then there are special cases. do you have a specific isue, chomwitt? | 08:00 |
| chomwitt | hi debdog . thanks. i'll try them now | 08:01 |
| chomwitt | not any that i am aware of . hope alsa works | 08:02 |
| debdog | at first open alsamixer and check that the required faders are not muted! | 08:02 |
| debdog | (and some browsers need PA, don't test sound with a browser) | 08:05 |
| chomwitt | is there alsa-base ? | 08:05 |
| debdog | are we talking Chimaera? | 08:06 |
| chomwitt | yes | 08:06 |
| debdog | wait | 08:06 |
| debdog | something's changed. alsa-base is just a dummy package now | 08:07 |
| debdog | alsaplayer-alsa should be there, right? you can use that to test sound | 08:07 |
| onefang | I don't even see alsa-base in Chimaera. | 08:08 |
| debdog | dummy package | 08:08 |
| debdog | sorry, must have been a leftover on my system | 08:08 |
| onefang | If it's a dummy package, it would still show up. | 08:09 |
| debdog | then it was dummy package on an older release? | 08:10 |
| chomwitt | ok alsaplayer-alsa installed . | 08:10 |
| onefang | Possibly a dummy transition package on an older release, so no longer needed. | 08:11 |
| debdog | dang, I cannot recall which command to use to test audio, some aplay option? | 08:11 |
| debdog | or alsaplayer? | 08:11 |
| onefang | When I was last messing with sound I found vlc to be very helpful, coz you get a menu of where to send the sound. | 08:12 |
| onefang | Hepled me figure out how to send certain sounds to my main monitor instead of to my headphones. | 08:13 |
| chomwitt | i try alsaplayer | 08:13 |
| onefang | Mostly coz there was seven HDMI sound devices, but only one of them actually made sound. lol | 08:14 |
| debdog | "speaker-test" haha I was looking for an option named so but that is the command itself | 08:14 |
| chomwitt | $ speaker-test gives ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1075:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave | 08:15 |
| chomwitt | Playback open error: -2,No such file or directory | 08:15 |
| debdog | onefang: yah, I wonder how that HDMI hardware stuff works. same situation on my laptop. two out of seven work | 08:15 |
| chomwitt | cat /proc/asound/cards gives me [HDMI]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI | 08:16 |
| debdog | chomwitt: is pulseaudio installed an running? | 08:16 |
| chomwitt | i think no | 08:16 |
| debdog | well, check | 08:16 |
| * chomwitt checking | 08:16 | |
| onefang | Well I do have a graphics card with four outputs, but no idea where the other three came from. | 08:16 |
| golinux | I won't need PA is you install apulse | 08:16 |
| golinux | You won't . . . | 08:17 |
| golinux | is > if | 08:17 |
| golinux | I am past ready for a long sleep . . . | 08:17 |
| debdog | "unable to open slave" might indicate that it is blocked by something, like PA | 08:17 |
| chomwitt | PA ? | 08:18 |
| debdog | pulseaudio | 08:18 |
| chomwitt | only libpulse0 is installed | 08:19 |
| debdog | what's the output of "aplay -l", chomwitt? | 08:19 |
| chomwitt | debdog, it gives a dozen of HDMI [HDA ATI HDMI], device 3: | 08:19 |
| chomwitt | and two generic Generic [HD-Audio Generic], device 0: ALC1220 Analog [ALC1220 Analog] | 08:20 |
| debdog | ok, that's a good sign | 08:20 |
| chomwitt | alsaplayer plays a song but i dont hear sound. (i mean it show time progress etc) | 08:21 |
| debdog | have you checked alsamixer for muted channels? | 08:22 |
| debdog | by default they are muted (so no damage to speakers and ears) | 08:22 |
| debdog | also, what plug do you use? | 08:23 |
| debdog | analog or HDMI? | 08:23 |
| chomwitt | alsamixer shows me 6 s/pdif two of them muted but no any level . should i be able to raise the level when unmuted ? | 08:24 |
| debdog | just 6 s/pdif? not more? | 08:24 |
| chomwitt | no | 08:24 |
| debdog | in alsamixer press F6 to switch to other cards | 08:25 |
| chomwitt | i changed to a generic and i see many channels with levels | 08:28 |
| debdog | PCM and Master are usually the important ones | 08:28 |
| debdog | depending on hardware | 08:29 |
| debdog | again: analog or HDMI plug? for where the speakers are connected | 08:29 |
| chomwitt | strange still no sound and speaker-test fails | 08:30 |
| chomwitt | debdog, i have headphones connected in front of the case | 08:32 |
| chomwitt | i will try the mobo io panel | 08:32 |
| debdog | at the bottom of each fader there is either a "OO" or a "MM". MM indicates muted, press "m" to toggle | 08:37 |
| chomwitt | i tried also my speaker. nothing | 08:37 |
| chomwitt | debdog, i did that | 08:37 |
| debdog | I need the complete output of "aplay -L" | 08:39 |
| chomwitt | i hear some low noise | 08:39 |
| debdog | speaker-test just outputs noise | 08:39 |
| chomwitt | speaker test not running | 08:41 |
| debdog | are you doing this as root? ordinary users have to be added to group uhm "audio" I think | 08:42 |
| chomwitt | https://pastebin.com/b35Cafgt | 08:44 |
| chomwitt | as a user but as 'id' show i am in audio group | 08:44 |
| debdog | dang, what hardware is that? | 08:46 |
| chomwitt | still nothing | 08:55 |
| chomwitt | just a strange noise whenever my speakers plug touch any audio port | 08:55 |
| chomwitt | and without any test running | 08:56 |
| chomwitt | and having muted all channels of the generic card in alsamixer | 08:57 |
| debdog | sorry, I cannot recall the speaker-test -D option's syntax | 08:57 |
| debdog | and I am tired. but at least your base system seems fine and you just have to find out which entry you need in .asoundrc to define the proper device as default | 09:00 |
| debdog | somethning like: | 09:00 |
| debdog | defaults.ctl.!card Generic | 09:00 |
| debdog | defaults.pcm.!card Generic | 09:00 |
| chomwitt | ok debdog . thanks. i ll check .asoundrc | 09:03 |
| chomwitt | ok! | 09:13 |
| chomwitt | options snd_hda_intel index=1 in /etc/modprobe.d/default.conf | 09:14 |
| chomwitt | i found it as an alt solution to .asoundrc . | 09:14 |
| chomwitt | i ll try now that also | 09:15 |
| Kingsy | Hi, what is the best way of disabling init.d scripts from being executed at startup? | 10:44 |
| u-amarsh04 | Kingsy see man update-rc.d | 11:13 |
| djph | Kingsy: see /etc/rcX.d for your runlevel (e.g. /etc/rc3.d ...) | 11:15 |
| djph | ... and what u-amarsh04 said | 11:15 |
| Kingsy | thanks | 11:23 |
| Kingsy | how come update-rc.d doesnt have a status to see what run level the service is in? | 11:29 |
| fsmithred | Kingsy, try sysv-rc-conf | 11:44 |
| u-amarsh04 | fsmithred, what package is sysv-rc-conf in? | 11:45 |
| fsmithred | that is the package | 11:45 |
| fsmithred | and the command | 11:45 |
| u-amarsh04 | thanks | 11:46 |
| fsmithred | it shows a table of services and runlevels. You can check/uncheck what starts when | 11:47 |
| fsmithred | arrow keys and space bar | 11:47 |
| fsmithred | q to quit | 11:47 |
| Kingsy | wow sysv-rc-conf is a cool tool. why would a service be under more than one run level? perhaps I don't understand what run levels are. | 12:04 |
| Kingsy | but can I assume if a service is under none.. then its disabled. | 12:04 |
| Kingsy | yeah.. I don't understand why there would be a service in more than one run level.. | 12:07 |
| fsmithred | because you don't want things to stop if you change runlevel | 12:08 |
| fsmithred | well, you might want some things to stop | 12:08 |
| Kingsy | ohhhhhh | 12:08 |
| fsmithred | the idea is you can configure different runlevels for different purposes | 12:08 |
| fsmithred | debian lumps runlevels 2-5 together. All the same. | 12:09 |
| Kingsy | whats the difference between 0 (halt) and 6 (reboot) | 12:09 |
| fsmithred | In redhat/suse and some others, runlevels 2 and 3 are console-only, 4 and 5 are graphical | 12:09 |
| fsmithred | with reboot, the system comes up again. | 12:09 |
| fsmithred | halt=shutdown | 12:10 |
| Kingsy | what services would you ever add to 0 or 6? I cant imagine it ever being useful | 12:10 |
| u-amarsh04 | 0 would have final preparations for shutdown | 12:11 |
| fsmithred | look at the symlinks in rc.X - they are either S (start) or K (kill) | 12:11 |
| fsmithred | stuff gets started or stopped in a particular order | 12:11 |
| Kingsy | sysv-rc-conf has 0, 6 and S | 12:11 |
| u-amarsh04 | 6 would send instructions for a reboot of the machine, perhaps loading a kexec image beforehand | 12:11 |
| fsmithred | so, what is it you want to disable? | 12:12 |
| Kingsy | oh I managed it. it was some AV agent. I just disabled it across 2-5, so thats fine. I was just more curious looking at this.. hence the questions :D | 12:13 |
| Kingsy | can someone recommend a general purpose clipboard manager? something that isnt tied to a DE? I use bspwm you see, so I don't want KDE or xfce specific things. | 12:31 |
| Kingsy | ahh clipmenu looks awesome, but it isnt in the repos | 12:34 |
| djph | Kingsy: use the source? | 13:40 |
| Kingsy | djph: I went for copyq for now. but yeah I'll look into it. | 14:33 |
| chomwitt | in the apt log file i see in some depedencies the word (automatic) . but from a quick check i saw that they are depedencies stated in the package's depend field. | 17:02 |
| gnarface | i think that just means they were automatically installed as opposed to manually installed | 17:11 |
| chomwitt | gnarface, that must be it | 17:14 |
| chomwitt | gnarface, thanks. | 17:14 |
| gnarface | it keeps track of which stuff you asked to have installed specifically by package name as opposed to the things that were pulled in by those as dependencies | 17:15 |
| gnarface | stuff you requested explicitly will have some modest protection from being automatically removed in the same fashion | 17:16 |
| chomwitt | gnarface, regarding auto removal , apt says that a package X is no longer required and i can if a want remove it with sudo apt autoremove but searching for X in the logs i see that calibre installion pulled that X and calibre is still installed | 17:24 |
| djph | chomwitt: check the current depends of calibre - maybe it no longer relies on X | 17:25 |
| chomwitt | djph, checking | 17:25 |
| djph | er, "package X" being assumed as a placeholder name ... | 17:26 |
| gnarface | chomwitt: check the package name and version carefully, possibly calibre has actually upgraded to something else that looks very similar like libsomething3 instead of libsomething2 for example | 17:27 |
| gnarface | not familiar with calibre so i can't guess about specifics but that type of thing happens a lot | 17:28 |
| gnarface | sometimes when they bump a version enough and still want it to coexist with earlier versions or if there's a fork or something, they push the major version number into the package name itself | 17:29 |
| chomwitt | no . X which is python3-cssselect in the calibre depedencies both show from apt and dpkg | 17:29 |
| chomwitt | s/in the/is in the | 17:30 |
| gnarface | just doing a quick search on ceres i see python3-cssselect and python3-cssselect2 both present... | 17:30 |
| gnarface | look at all these different libx264 library versions i have: libx264-123, libx264-133, libx264-142, libx264-152 | 17:31 |
| gnarface | actually that's not even all of them | 17:31 |
| gnarface | and libx265 is in a similar state | 17:32 |
| chomwitt | gnarface, i see your point | 17:32 |
| gnarface | if you're running testing or unstable keep in mind that a possible explanation is also that maybe they're moving from one to the other and it's not done yet | 17:34 |
| chomwitt | but in the list that apt presented to me (of the packages no longer required) there is no version . so its like apt sayingt that package is not needed | 17:35 |
| chomwitt | i run stable three days now | 17:36 |
| chomwitt | i ll do a test and remove ii python3-cssselect 1.1.0+ds-1 | 17:38 |
| gnarface | i can't tell you if it's really not, but if autoremove only removes that one package and then calibre breaks you'll know and you can just install it again, at which point it'll be marked manually selected so it won't happen to you again and you can report it as a bug | 17:39 |
| gnarface | ... upstream at debian where this probably started | 17:39 |
| chomwitt | xmm strange sudo apt autoremove didnt remove python3-cssselect | 17:40 |
| gnarface | did it remove anything? | 17:40 |
| chomwitt | yes | 17:40 |
| chomwitt | it removed a subset of the packages that said they were not longer needed | 17:41 |
| chomwitt | sorry | 17:42 |
| chomwitt | my mistake | 17:42 |
| chomwitt | that list was presented to me when i gave the command sudo apt-get purge libasound2 | 17:43 |
| gnarface | ah | 17:43 |
| gnarface | purge and autoremove aren't the same thing though they can be used together | 17:43 |
| chomwitt | so apt do its logic found all the packages that will must be unistalled (due to not being able to function without libsound) and then presented to me the list | 17:44 |
| gnarface | yea, the autoremovable list is actually presented before you do the actual triggering removal | 17:45 |
| gnarface | it words it like "right now" but it really means "only if you proceed with this action" | 17:45 |
| chomwitt | i see | 17:48 |
| chomwitt | So apt-get purge libsound presented two lists. The autoremoval that wont be removed (unless i want to afterwards) and a list of packages that will be removed , In the autoremoval i see calibre-bin in the later calibre. So as i understand it apt-get purge will remove all packages X that depend on libsound and packages Y that depend on those X and so forth going backwards to calibre but it wont remove right away a calibre | 18:11 |
| chomwitt | depedency Z if that Z dont depent on libsound ? | 18:11 |
| gnarface | uh... having trouble following that but i think yes? | 18:16 |
| gnarface | it will remove anything that doesn't work without libasound right away, along with libasound | 18:17 |
| gnarface | but that can still orphan other things | 18:19 |
| gnarface | and not everything that's a dependency is a hard requirement; some stuff is just recommended or suggested (there are 2 additional tiers of "optional" dependencies besides the hard dependencies) | 18:20 |
| chomwitt | i mean i say remove X . apt will remove F -> X and and C -> F -> X but not G even if C -> F | 18:21 |
| chomwitt | even it C -> G | 18:22 |
| gnarface | could it still be in use by something else? | 18:22 |
| gnarface | some dependencies are shared | 18:23 |
| chomwitt | you right! | 18:23 |
| chomwitt | i forgot that possibility | 18:23 |
| gnarface | also if you ever manually requested it installed explicitly | 18:24 |
| gnarface | which can be done even after it's already installed; if you try to request installation of a package already installed it just tells you it's already there but it's marking it as manually installed | 18:24 |
| chomwitt | interesing | 18:41 |
| chomwitt | interesting | 18:41 |
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