libera/#devuan/ Thursday, 2022-11-17

sfoxWhat is the reccomending way to setup high-availibility networking to a Devuan server/03:45
sfox?03:45
sfoxDevuan cluster node03:45
gnarfacesfox: i don't think it's different from debian04:00
gnarfacetry haproxy maybe04:01
gnarfacethere's probably other approaches too04:01
sfoxLACP bonding?04:20
AlexLikeRockJ/ #devuan-mx06:14
ribcagejesus christ, is there no way to change your user password on xfce?17:51
ribcagewow... just wow17:56
ribcagei wonder if this is just a devuan thing or if debian is like this. This makes the OS pretty much unusable17:57
tux12ribcage: looks like you just need to install gnome-system-tools (found here https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=6251 the post is old but the package is still available in debian 11). Didn't try it out.18:03
rwpribcage, XFCE is a Desktop Environment.  A DE is not an operating system.  A DE runs on an OS.  This is not a Devuan or Debian thing.18:10
rwpThe standard way to change passwords works everywhere.  "passwd".  It will ask you for your old password.  Then the new one.18:10
ribcageyeah and what about someone who is not a hacker?18:11
ribcageand just want to change their password because somebody learned about it18:11
rwpHacker?  People who change their passwords are hackers?18:12
ribcagepeople who use the command line are18:12
ribcageto ordinary people, they certainly are18:12
FatPhil"people believe that, therefore it's a fact"18:13
rwpHere we are in IRC and probably most of us are using the keyboard.  I guess all of us here on IRC are by that definition expert hackers.  Because we can type.18:13
ribcageyeah but i might like to install devuan for someone else who is not as good at computers as i am. Well, I'll try that gnome-system-tools thing18:14
rwpIn any case...  Providing a graphical way to change a password would be a Desktop Environment thing.  XFCE, Mate, Cinnamon, others, in that realm.18:15
OldmossWell, I have been on IRC since around 1995. On a Mac. Installed Devuan around 2016  and is using both now.18:18
OldmossBut the terminal still frightens me ....18:19
FatPhilanything apart from terminals frighten me18:24
ribcageOk, I had to install gnome-system-tools and now I have "Users and Groups" in System tools. It was on the .ISO but not installed by default. There's something seriously wrong either with Debian or Devuan18:28
fsmithredribcage, that would be a result of the xfce4 dependencies.18:41
fsmithredor task-xfce-desktop18:42
rwpI doubt an "xfce" meta-package wanted to depend upon a "gnome" package.  Probably hoping for an xfce-system-tools equivalent.18:43
fsmithredthere isn't one that I know of18:44
fsmithredgnome, kde, mate and lxqt all have their own tools for that18:44
nemohuh. odd error I'm not sure if it is devuan's fault or something else18:50
nemoI installed mate-desktop-environment and mate-desktop-environment-extras on a VM that had xfce installed18:50
nemoI launched tigervnc server to access it in a desktop18:50
nemothe mate desktop seems to function more or less normally, but if I fire up mate-terminal  it exits with the error18:50
nemo"Failed to connect to the session manager: None of the authentication protocols specified are supported"18:51
nemoxfce terminal works fine18:51
fsmithrednemo, which display manager are you using?18:52
fsmithredcheck its config file - I think the session manager is set there.18:52
rwpOn my Chimaera with XFCE I have elogind and libelogind0 installed which perform those functions.  Pretty sure those are used for Mate too.18:56
nemook18:58
nemofsmithred: I didn't think that vnc sessions used that...19:00
nemoslim is running on vt7, but that's only for someone connecting from the vm console, not from vnc19:01
ribcage"Don't ask for password on login" in gnome-system-tools is not functional. But I made it work again by creating a group called nopasswdlogin and in "/etc/pam.d/slim", just above "@include common-auth", add this line: auth sufficient pam_succeed_if.so user ingroup nopasswdlogin19:49
ribcageI don't know if this is the right way to do it, but I think it's alright19:50
fsmithredribcage, I think you can set autologin in slim.conf (/etc/slim.conf or /etc/slim/slim.conf?)20:15
ribcageI see. It's /etc/slim.conf. What is meant by "default user"?20:18
rwpRegarding XFCE password changing I find this proposal which has not seen an update since 2011. https://wiki.xfce.org/design/xfce4-settings/useraccounts20:44

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