libera/#devuan/ Thursday, 2022-12-01

talismanickDo the repos not support https? >_>00:04
rwpMost of the mirrors are impossible to mirror using https because the names will never match.00:04
rwpThe security of the system was designed without requiring https.00:04
talismanickuuuuuh00:05
talismanickAs in, checksums?00:05
rwpYes. SHA hashes that are GPG signed by the keyring.00:05
talismanick"the names will never match"00:06
talismanickWhat does that mean?00:06
rwpdeb.devuan.org is a round-robin list of other file server systems.  They all have names that are different.00:06
onefangBut you can access them directly via their own name using HTTPS.00:07
rwpCheck out the mirror list at https://www.devuan.org/get-devuan00:07
onefangBeat me to it.  lol00:07
talismanickWell, if it's good enough for Debian too...00:07
* onefang goes back to waking up.00:08
rwpGood morning onefang! :-)00:08
rwptalismanick, Are you installing a new system or upgrading an existing system?00:09
onefangIt's summer and I just turned the heater on.  "Good" is relative.  lol00:09
rwponefang, You need to be in offtopic so I can comment that it was -15C here this morning.00:10
rwptalismanick, If you are installing a fresh system then you should use an https mirror to download the install image.00:10
rwpIf you are upgrading then using an http://deb.devuan.org round-robin mirror is best.  It's secure due to the keyring.00:11
rwpUsing https for deb repositories has several subtle problems.  Like the system clock must be set.  That snags Raspberry Pi users quite often.00:11
rwpWhen we talk about "repos" that name is most often for the package database at deb.devuan.org and not the install images from the other mirror sites.00:14
onefangWe got package mirrors, which is what we call repos, and listed at https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt.  This is used for apt sources.list.  Then we have the ISO / filo mirrors, for the install images, listod at https://www.devuan.org/get-devuan.00:20
onefangdeb.devuan.org is a round robin DNS for the former.00:20
talismanickrwp: migrating a Debian system00:24
golinuxtalismanick: Have you seen the migration instructions here https://www.devuan.org/os/install ?00:27
rwptalismanick, Welcome to the community!00:27
talismanickthanks00:35
talismanickgolinux: yeah00:35
talismanickspeaking of which, what do I do differently from the Bullseye->Chimaera update guide for runit?00:36
talismanickaside from changing sysvinit-core to runit-init (right?)00:39
rwpI have *installed* selecting runit but I haven't *converted* a system to runit.  But I think you just need to apt-get install the desired runit* packages and then reboot.  But don't trust me on that since I haven't done it.00:39
talismanickrwp: `apt -f install` is what changes out the init regardless, right?00:41
rwpNot that specific command.  That's to resolve and repair a broken package dependency.00:42
Jesse39Hello, I'm having some trouble getting my wifi working03:08
Jesse39I installled via ethernet and during install it said that I would need firmware "regulatory.db" and "iwlwifi-6000-4.ucode"03:10
Jesse39And I'm not sure how to find or add them now03:10
debdogaccording to https://packages.debian.org "iwlwifi-6000-4.ucode" is provided by the firmware-iwlwifi package03:12
Jesse39so I only need to install that package?03:13
debdogI think so, yes03:13
debdogbut I am not a wifi expert03:14
debdogat least it is a step in probably the right direction03:16
Jesse39thanks. I'll look in to it a bit more03:16
Jesse39I've installed it on this computer before but can't remember what I had to do for wifi03:17
debdogwell, if installing said package doesn't improve your situation, you just can purge it afterwards03:19
Jesse39I tink I need to add some repo03:23
XenguyJesse39, paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to paste.debian.net if need be03:25
Jesse39was able to install it by adding non-free repo to sources.list03:28
XenguyJesse32, Great, for more info:  https://www.devuan.org/os/packages03:30
Jesse32it seems that I am still unable to use wifi03:31
debdogbut did it load the firmware? does "lspci -k" list a kernel driver for your wifi device?03:33
debdog"Kernel drive in use" or simililar03:33
debdoghehe *similar03:33
Jesse32I'm not seeing the device there03:36
Jesse32maybe I'm just overlooking it since I don't understand a lot of this03:37
debdogcould you paste the output, please? preferably on https://paste.debian.net/03:38
Jesse32Network Controller?03:38
debdogsounds about right. if uncertain the entire output03:39
Jesse32https://paste.debian.net/1262451/03:39
Jesse32I gave the whole output but I think this is it03:39
Jesse32it sayss "Kernel modules: iwlwifi" but no driver in us3e03:40
debdog02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6200 (rev 35)03:40
debdogSubsystem: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6200 2x2 AGN03:40
debdogKernel modules: iwlwifi03:40
Jesse32Ye03:40
debdogthis is after a reboot, right?03:41
Jesse32oof no I should probably try that03:41
Jesse32I'll be right back03:41
Jesse17yeah it seems to be working now03:44
Jesse17Thanks for the help03:44
debdogno worries. but celebrate when you have an actual connection03:44
Jesse17I am connected03:45
debdogwell then... CELEBRATION03:45
debdoghehe03:45
Jesse17Thanks again, I don't know why I wasn't able to find this solution03:46
Jesse17This could have been a lot more frustrating lol03:46
debdogyour lspci output reminds me of an elderly laptop I recently installed win7 on... friggin PITA03:47
talismanickhttps://0x0.st/o0In.txt05:05
talismanickIs it supposed to do this?05:05
talismanicksame trouble with sysvinit-core instead of runit-init05:05
gnarfaceuse paste.debian.net and i'll actually look05:12
talismanickgnarface: https://paste.debian.net/1262460/05:32
talismanick(0x0 is what I have set up for pasting killed regions in Emacs)05:33
gnarfacetalismanick: uh... yes that's expected behavior but you shouldn't have had systemd installed in the first place, are you attempting a migration from debian? if not, you have accidentally mixed repos at some point05:43
talismanickgnarface: yes, migrating05:43
gnarfacethere is detailed instructions on the safest path around here somewhere, but i'd recommend you have a live image you can boot from in case something goes wrong05:45
rrqthis one still works well: https://git.devuan.org/rrq/debian-to-devuan05:45
gnarfacetalismanick: was this install bullseye or buster?05:46
talismanickgnarface:  I have  everything backed up anyways, so I can roll back to the previous state and try again05:46
gnarfacetalismanick: so the risky part is it's gonna have to remove systemd and all the dependencies, including the running kernel which will then have to be reinstalled along with all the devuan startup stuff before you reboot05:47
gnarfacethe script might be a better choice if you're not sure of yourself05:48
gnarfacewe've seen various pitfalls, especially in situations where your grub setup is weird05:49
gnarfaceor if you get unlucky and your rootfs gets flagged for fsck on that critical reboot05:49
gnarfacemost people just forget to put the kernel back in05:49
talismanickrrq: Aside from using Alpine a bit in the past, I haven't used sysvinit/OpenRC much. What would the runit equivalents of lines 81-87 be?05:50
talismanickgnarface: sounds like I should spin up a Devuan VM and move things over instead?05:51
gnarfacetalismanick: well, no i'd still recommend rrq's script in this case, and just switch to runit after the migration is done05:51
gnarface... since you have backups05:52
gnarfaceand this will be a good learning experience :)05:52
gnarfaceif it goes well it should be a lot faster05:52
gnarfacejust remember the thing about the kernel05:53
rrqI don't know. Perhaps the best is to install sysvinit-core first and then replace to openrc (I don;t know the steps for that, but it's almost certainly easier that way)05:53
rrqI think 81 -87 would stay as they are05:53
gnarfacetalismanick: it might actually uninstall a lot of stuff, but you can just reinstall all of it05:54
gnarfacetalismanick: just make sure you got the kernel, grub, and eudev installed again before you reboot05:55
gnarfaceif it uninstalls your GUI you can reinstall that before or after reboot05:55
talismanickThere's no gui05:56
talismanickit's a server05:56
gnarfaceshould be much easier then05:56
talismanickyea05:56
gnarfaceit's not dual-booting windows or anything right?05:56
talismanicknope05:56
gnarfaceand grub is on the first disk already?05:56
talismanickyes05:57
gnarfaceyou should be fine if you don't panic and reboot before it's bootable again05:57
talismanickjust a plain Debian install, running several webservers05:57
gnarfaceif for some reason you reboot before it's bootable again, it's usually pretty simple to just boot with a live image or other rescue image, chroot in, then install what's missing (usually consists of a kernel, eudev, and running update-grub again)05:58
rrqmmm line 74 might need editing; there is a newer keyring05:58
rrqyou'd use _2022.11.15_all.deb nowadays06:00
rrq... and line 75 the same06:01
talismanickCame back to see if it finished08:14
talismanickit just dropped to a grub prompt08:14
talismanickI think I'll just boot off a live ISO and pull everything else out of the backup08:14
gnarfacetalismanick: no, don't do that, boot off the live image, chroot in, and run grub-install again08:20
gnarfacetalismanick: and while you're in there make sure you have a kernel installed, like i said08:20
talismanickgnarface: ...but why?08:20
talismanickthat only sounds like it's inviting more problems...08:20
gnarfacetalismanick: we've been through this 1000 times or so by now08:21
gnarfacejust trying to save you time08:21
talismanickWhat usually happens if I do the opposite?08:21
gnarfacewhat do you mean the opposite?08:21
gnarfacewhat you did was the opposite; ignore me and just let it reboot without a kernel or grub configuration in plce08:22
gnarfacethere's only so many things it can be missing here, it's a list of 208:22
talismanickfresh install from an ISO, boot the backup in a VM, and move over the files I need08:22
gnarfaceyou just waste another 1-4 hours when you could be up and running in 5 minutes08:22
talismanickOh, I see what you thought I meant08:23
talismanickI meant downloading an ISO, installing to disk, and adding back what state I need from the backup08:23
gnarfaceyea that's still going to take way more time than just finishing what you started08:23
gnarfacedo you need instructions for how to chroot properly? i can give them to you step by step08:24
talismanickI know how to chroot into another system from a live image, but I don't think there's an option to boot a live ISO and access the prior system08:25
gnarfacewhat????08:25
gnarfacefalse08:25
gnarfaceyou can access the harddrive from a live iso easily08:25
gnarfaceyou could do this without the live iso even if you know what to type into the grub prompt i just don't remember the exact commands08:26
gnarfaceonce you're chrooted in, with /sys, /proc, /dev, and /dev/pts all bind-mounted inside it, i guarantee that installing a kernel and re-running grub-install or update-grub will make it bootable08:27
gnarfaceno need to restore from backup, you're like 99.9% of the way there and if you'd paid attention this would already have happened before you rebooted08:27
gnarfaceand you're easily the 10th person i've had this argument with08:28
talismanickalright, I'll listen08:28
gnarfaceok08:29
gnarfacemount /dev/sda1 /mnt08:29
gnarfacemount -o bind /proc /mnt/proc08:29
gnarfacemount -o bind /sys /mnt/sys08:29
gnarfacemount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev08:29
gnarfacemount -o bind /dev/pts /mnt/dev/pts08:29
gnarfacechroot /mnt /bin/bash -i08:29
gnarfaceapt-get update && apt-get install linux-image-amd6408:30
gnarfaceupdate-grub08:30
gnarfacethen just reboot08:30
talismanickyeah, yeah, ye olde `for i in dev proc sys run; do mount --rbind /$i /mnt/$i; mount --make-rslave /mnt/$i; done`08:30
talismanickor variations thereof08:31
gnarfaceuh, i'm not sure whether that'll work or not, but what's important is that grub-install or update-grub sees the hardware right, or it'll misfire08:31
talismanickcan't say I can recall messing around with pts, though08:31
gnarfacepts may only be necessary if you're also running a tf2 server in there honestly, i just want to be sure you have everything for grub to be able to properly orient itself08:32
talismanickWhat's special about TF2?08:32
talismanickMy curiosity is piqued08:32
gnarfaceit's crappily programmed, i think, or it has a valve backdoor, fuck if i know.  if you do this wrong it'll try to install grub to the livecd which will be useless08:32
talismanickthat's hilarious08:33
talismanick"return to sender"08:33
gnarfacethe bind mounts are so the kernel on the livecd, while in the chroot, knows where the real hardware is08:33
gnarfaceit wouldn't be necessary if you'd done this step before rebooting08:34
gnarfacewhile you're in there make sure you have eudev installed too or you will get past the grub prompt but probably not much further08:34
talismanickI just followed the instructions on the website verbatim08:34
gnarfacei didn't look at them so i can't tell you why they didn't work, this is the way i recovered from the mess the last dozen times it came up that's all08:35
gnarfacethe bios found grub, grub didn't find a kernel08:38
gnarfacethat means the kernel is missing or grub is out of place08:38
gnarfacethe fix of reinstalling them both works either way08:38
talismanickfair's fair08:39
talismanickthat makes sense to me08:39
gnarfaceyour main harddrive is called /dev/sda right?08:39
gnarfacethis isn't something weird like an ARM machine or a VM right?08:39
talismanick...it is a vm08:40
talismanicka vps08:40
* gnarface facepalms08:40
talismanickI thought I said this was a server08:40
talismanickI was wondering why you were so adamant about this method08:40
gnarfacethe instructions you were given most likely assumed it was a bare metal server08:40
gnarfacecalling it a server also implies bare metal08:40
talismanickbold of you to assume I have money08:40
gnarfacei don't have any money, i'm still using pentium3's here08:41
gnarfacewait if it's a vps how do you boot a live image on it?08:41
talismanickHetzner lets you08:41
talismanickvia the rescue mode reboot08:41
gnarfacethis might still work, but we need to make sure grub is installed in the right place08:42
talismanickYeah, I do think this'd work - I don't see why it shouldn't08:42
talismanickbut, I hope my confusion about /why/ is clearer now08:42
gnarfaceyea, being a VM it just introduces a lot of other unknowns, you should specify that more clearly in the future08:43
talismanickmea culpa08:43
gnarfacebare metal, x86 hardware boots very uniformly, relatively08:43
gnarfaceif you start getting into virtual setups, there's tons of weird different ways the hypervisor can work08:43
talismanicktrue08:43
talismanickI think I'll just install all the way as usual from the ISO08:44
gnarfacei'd still like to know if this will work though08:44
gnarfaceyou might learn something too08:44
gnarfaceshould only take a couple minutes to try08:44
talismanickWell, if I can ever get it to recognize that I'm telling it to pull the ISO from an address...08:46
talismanickBeen a long time since I fell back on this option08:46
gnarfaceyou said they had a rescue image already preloaded?08:46
talismanickTo boot a custom ISO, you have to edit a conf file08:47
gnarfacesee, i assumed you were sitting by the machine itself08:47
talismanickAnd, I don't know how to get back to the default menu from this conf file08:47
talismanickso it looks like I'm trapped in limbo until I can get it to go through without giving up and nuking the system08:48
gnarfaceyou literally can't figure out how to exit the conf file editor or something?08:48
talismanickIt drops you back into it if it doesn't recognize what it's suppose to do lol08:49
gnarfacecan you show a screenshot?08:49
rrqyou know that the installer itself is like a live system? shift to a shell with C-A-F2 and go from there08:50
rrq.. ah probably irrelevant here.. (where's my stone?)08:51
talismanickhttps://0x0.st/o0Uu.png08:52
talismanickah, found how to get out08:53
talismanick(surprisingly, not the "Cancel" button)08:54
gnarfacealright, good because i'm still not clicking on that domain08:54
talismanickdude, it's just a pastebin08:54
talismanicklol08:54
talismanick(I like it because the default way to upload is via curl, so it's easy to script and attach to a button)08:54
gnarfacefunny enough whenever i float my own links nobody clicks on them either08:55
talismanickhttps://0x0.st/08:55
gnarfaceso anyway, boot anything that can mount the drive08:56
gnarfaceor virtual drive or whatever it is08:56
gnarfaceif you got it as far as a grub prompt that still suggests this will work08:56
gnarfaceit has grub after all08:56
talismanicklsblk just says the biggest partition is sda1, at 38G, so that should be it08:56
gnarfaceok, when you run grub-install make sure to install to sda not sda108:57
talismanickofc08:57
gnarfacebut make sure a kernel is installed first08:57
talismanickI've shot myself in the foot like that before :)08:57
gnarfaceor you can run grub-install, then install the kernel, then just run update-grub08:58
gnarfacebut i think grub-install will also imply update-grub08:58
gnarfaceshouldn't hurt to run update-grub once extra as a last step just to be sure08:58
gnarfacethe chroot and bind mount steps are still important, i only recommended the live image because i didn't realize you already had some sort of virtual manager with preloaded images09:00
talismanickWell, that's a problem09:01
gnarface?09:01
talismanickno networking in chroot09:01
talismanickso, no apt-get09:01
gnarfacethere probably is networking, it probably just didn't get as far as creating your /etc/resolv.conf09:02
gnarfacetry to ping something by IP09:02
gnarfaceor run /sbin/ifconfig -a09:02
talismanickyeah, eth0 up and running09:03
gnarfacejust create a resolv.conf manually09:03
gnarfacewere you using NetworkManager before or something like that?09:03
talismanickno09:03
talismanicknot that I09:03
talismanick'm aware of09:03
gnarfaceis resolv.conf missing?09:03
talismanickls say it's there, but cat says no such file09:05
gnarfacels -l09:05
gnarfaceit's probably an orphaned symlink09:05
talismanickls -l says it symlinks to /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf09:05
talismanickyeah09:05
gnarfacedelete it and just create a static one09:05
gnarfacedoesn't have to be permanent, just has to be there long enough to finish this09:05
gnarfaceyou probably want to UNINSTALL the resolvconf package too, since that'll point it elsewhere looking for dns entries09:06
gnarfacewhat does this command return? dpkg -l |grep linux-image09:07
talismanickrc  linux-image-5.10.0-17-amd64    5.10.136-1                         amd64        Linux 5.10 for 64-bit PCs (signed)09:08
talismanickrc  linux-image-amd64              5.10.136-1                         amd64        Linux for 64-bit PCs (meta-package)09:08
gnarfacetraces of two uninstalled kernels, that's the smoking gun09:08
gnarfacesomehow this went off the rails before the reboot09:08
gnarfacewell, linux-image-amd64 is just a meta-package that points to the latest stable kernel09:09
gnarfacebut the "rc" means they've been uninstalled09:09
gnarfacethat should be "ii"09:09
talismanickAs much as I like a good detective mystery, I'm feeling too tired for another episode09:10
talismanickI think I'm going to bed for now09:10
talismanickthanks for the help09:10
rrqtalismanick: I wonder if you where running my script, or di you DIY ?09:10
talismanickrrq: I DIY'd from the migration instructions on the website, then tried your script when those didn't work09:11
talismanickergo nasal demons09:11
rrqok; maybe someone could try tohe opposite order sometime09:11
rrq(ideally running my script should avoid the need for DIY :))09:12
talismanickI read it over, and didn't see anything which tipped me off that it'd conflict09:13
talismanick(at most, it repeated already-idempotent commands or added another)09:13
gnarfacetalismanick: it doesn't matter why it didn't work, what matters is that if you put the resolv.conf back and reinstall them it starts working09:13
rrqthe key issue is to only repalce init before going further09:13
talismanickgnarface: Where can I find the default resolv.conf?09:14
talismanickto copy-paste09:14
gnarfacejust use anything it's one line09:14
gnarfacedon't you know the IPs of your DNS servers?09:14
talismanicklike, "foo bar baz"?09:14
talismanickum, no09:14
gnarfaceno, not literally anything but09:14
gnarfacehmm09:14
gnarfacecheck in /etc/network/interfaces09:14
gnarfacedo you have lines for dns-nameservers and dns-search in there?09:15
talismanickmmm, nyet09:15
gnarfaceyou can probably just use google's public dns temporarily until you can find the real ones09:15
talismanick8.8.8.8?09:16
gnarfaceyea09:16
gnarfacenameserver 8.8.8.809:16
gnarfacethat one line should be enough09:16
talismanickoh09:16
talismanickah, works now09:16
gnarfacemost likely your ISP will have provided their own nameservers for you, you should locate them later when you have a chance09:17
gnarfacesome systemd component must have absorbed this, is my guess09:18
gnarfaceso naturally they buried the evidence09:19
talismanickwait fuck why did i reboot without exiting and umounting09:20
talismanickoh, it didn't even do anything09:20
gnarfacefor sysvinit you want to make sure you have: sysv-rc, sysvinit, sysvinit-core and sysvinit-utils09:20
gnarfacealso make sure you have eudev, and linux-image-amd6409:21
gnarface(we're assuming the system is 64-bit, is that wrong?)09:21
talismanickoh, nice, it works09:21
talismanickAnd, I fetched runit-init instead of sysvinit-core09:22
gnarfacewell i just wanted to make sure you had stuff i knew would work but as long as it works that's what matters09:22
talismanickty09:22
gnarfacei thought it would be safer to fix this mess first then you can migrate to runit after you've got it booting09:22
talismanickThe two are orthogonal, no?09:23
gnarfacewell, it's not a difficult migration and i'm not sure if the runit install can fall back on sysvinit scripts or not, the openrc one does09:23
talismanickopenrc is a skin over sysvinit iirc09:24
talismanickrunit is its own thing (it even works on BSDs, etc)09:24
gnarfaceopenrc is in debian but not in other distros... anywayit seemed safer to have sysvinit in place and working as a known quantity first09:24
talismanickpart of the daemontools family, like s6 if you've used that09:25
gnarfaceanyway is it booting now?09:25
talismanickyeah09:25
gnarfacegreat09:25
talismanickI'm using runit on Void, actually09:25
talismanick(the default)09:25
gnarfacei want to just point out for the record we spent more time debating the solution than actually doing it09:25
talismanickfair09:25
gnarfaceanyway, i'm stepping away for now, have fun with your devuan09:25
talismanickthanks09:26
uvoshi, devuan chimaera includes the iio-sensor-proxy package imported from debian11:29
uvoshowever this package contains only a systemd unit file, makeing this deamon package pretty useless11:30
uvosfor previous beowulf we had a fork with a init script: https://github.com/maemo-leste-upstream-forks/iio-sensor-proxy/blob/maemo/beowulf/debian/iio-sensor-proxy.init11:30
uvosi would be neat if this could be included in devuan11:30
fsmithreduvos, if debian dropped the init script, then the script needs to be added to the orphan-sysvinit-scripts package. Both are debian packages, and I'm not sure if the bug report should go to iio-sensor-proxy or orphan-sysvinit-scripts. It doesn't look like we forked that package - it's not in the main repo. Someone must have done it just for maemo-leste.12:35
uvosyes i did12:36
uvos(forked it for leste)12:36
fsmithredlol12:36
fsmithredwe try to avoid forking because that requires maintenance.12:36
fsmithreddo you know if the old init script still works?12:37
uvosok so in beowulf it was not in your repos12:37
uvosbut now in chimeara it is https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/package-query.html?c=package&q=iio-sensor-proxy=3.0-212:37
uvosimported from debian i gues12:37
fsmithredyeah, it's also in beowulf-backports12:37
fsmithredall are from debian12:37
uvosok, but in this state its broken, so i gues a init script somewhere is needed12:38
uvosnot sure how you do this12:38
fsmithredneither am I12:38
fsmithredsome info here: https://salsa.debian.org/matthew/orphan-sysvinit-scripts12:40
uvos"[12:37] <fsmithred> do you know if the old init script still works?" <-- there was no old init script, previous version of iio-sensor-proxy hard dependend on systemd in its code12:42
uvosthis dependancy was lifted some time after beowulf was frozen12:43
fsmithredyour forked version has an init script?12:43
uvosfor openrc yes, as linked12:43
fsmithredoh, I guess that would not belong in a package for sysvinit scripts.12:44
ravehaver9000hey everyone, ive been having an issue with the propietary nvidia drivers and my installation of devuan. the issue is that some stuff with the drivers seem to have not installed, and its worrying me. every time i boot up my i see an error message along the lines of "error running install command 'modproble -i nvidia" for module nvidia: retcode 1, and when i install any program with apt--get it tries13:00
ravehaver9000to set up the nvidia persistence daemon, but always fails. how do i solve this problem? im using daedalus and sysvinit if you want to know more13:00
gnarfaceif ravehaver9000 comes back tell them to install the linux-headers-* package corresponding to their current kernel then re-run dpms as root, and just give up on nvidia-persistenced and set environment variable __GL_SHADER_DISK_CACHE_SKIP_CLEANUP=1 instead13:56
gnarfacealso warn them that i've got a heads-up from another channel that the latest nvidia driver release crippled pascal family cards just fair warning, upgrading might be a bad idea right now13:57
gnarface(and incidentally, there being a catastrophic crippling regression in the official nvidia linux drivers on the same day as a major world of warcraft release is no longer even remotely plausibly a coincidence)14:01
uncloudedHi, debootstrap is giving me "chroot: failed to run command 'dpkg-deb': No such file or directory".  It's dead right: There is no dpkg-deb in the target directory.  The command is just "debootstrap  beowulf  /tmp/target  http://mirror:3142/devuan", run from a chimaera installation21:13
uncloudedDoes it matter than /tmp is tmpfs?21:15
markizanounclouded, mirror:3142 is a valid mirror, right?21:35
___usedIs vlc 3.0.18 coming up for beowulf? It's not in packages, I'm on 3.0.17 and that has a nasty hole: https://securityonline.info/cve-2022-41325-vlc-media-player-remote-code-execution-vulnerability/21:45
Jjp137you'll probably have to wait for Debian to update it since I don't think Devuan forks vlc, but you can keep an eye on it here: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/vlc21:48
Jjp137just remember what each Debian release maps to in Devuan of course21:48
uncloudedmarkizano: It's apt-cacher-ng, but the problem is the same when I use http://deb.devuan.org/devuan as the mirror21:49
uncloudedThe problem is the same when run from a beowulf installation too22:04
uncloudedDoh!  The problem is that I was using http://deb.devuan.org/devuan instead of http://deb.devuan.org/merged.  Working now22:18
golinuxSometimes it's the little things that get you . . .22:20
unclouded:)  It got me good22:22
ravehaver9000back here, thanks for the advice gnarface22:28
ravehaver9000my card is an ampere one so itd prob should be safe to do that22:28
ravehaver9000whats dpms btw22:37
ravehaver9000i dont really recogmize it at all and want to know what it means before i screw up anything22:37
uncloudedravehaver9000: Is it this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_Display_Power_Management_Signaling22:39
tux12apropos dpms says X11::Protocol::Ext::DPMS (3pm) - Perl module for the X11 Protocol DPMS Extension22:40
rrqyes22:40
ravehaver9000ooh, so its a module for perl22:47
ravehaver9000how do i restart it? i tried switching to root and using something like, "system dpms restart" but that ofc wouldnt wokr22:48
ravehaver9000it prob doesnt help that the only init system i actually used was systemd. i used a bit of openrc when i was in artix but ive mostly unlearned it aside from everything starting with rc-service22:48
ravehaver9000ive also tried runit. not for me to say the least22:49
rrqno, DPMS is a monitor facility; power saving22:49
rrqsome docs via "man xset"22:50
rrqnot so important for LCD and LED monitors but CRTs where costlier22:53
ravehaver9000yeah i can see that, crts def had an issue with that t. owned crt tvs until 201622:54
bblissHey all. I was hoping to figure out why my Intel i5-based 2020 MacBook's keyboard and trackpad do not work at all with the current Daedalus 11/28 preview, and possibly get the necessary support folded into Daedalus before it is released.  USB keyboards work fine, and Daedalus generally installs okay, but not having KB+trackpad work out of the box is sorta frustrating. Ideas? Pointers to where23:00
bblissI should be looking?23:00
rwpbbliss, That support is entirely within the Linux kernel.  I would be looking there for solutions and support.23:46
rwpIf an older kernel works but a newer kernel fails then that would be a regression in the kernel.  That's always easier to argue needs to be fixed.23:47

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