libera/#devuan/ Tuesday, 2024-04-23

onefangsystemdlete: And I need to know the details of the failure, so I can right a test for it.01:55
systemdleteonefang:  Is there a list of server IP addresses?  I mean if it isn't too difficult.02:14
onefanghttps://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html includes the IPs02:17
systemdleteonefang, any way to get that as a text file, one address per line (only ipv4)06:18
CueXXIIIsystemdlete: host deb.devuan.org ?06:20
systemdletehey CueXXIII thanks!!!06:21
systemdletenow, do we have mirrors coming online and offline, and how can I tell if so?06:22
CueXXIIInow, using that hostname with unstable i have noticed inconsistencies during upgrades, ie not all mirrors updating at the same time. i think for unstable it would be better to select a specific mirror, not the round robin06:23
onefangMIrrors should stay online.  Sometimes a mirror admin will tell me about some temporary down time, or I notice it's not up much anyway, and I mark them as such.  Those are the ones with grey background.06:23
systemdleteCueXXIII, I think this is mainly for stable versions at this point.06:24
systemdleteonefang, I guess that's enough to get started06:25
systemdlete(this will take some time because I have several things I am doing at once)06:26
friedhelmsystemdlete, onefang: Failed to fetch http://repo.jing.rocks/debian-security/pool/updates/main/g/glibc/libc6-dev_2.36-9+deb12u6_amd64.deb: 404  Not Found [IP: 106.178.112.231 80]10:07
onefangI'm in the middle of cooking dinner now. I'll look at that later tonight.  Thanks.10:08
friedhelmyes, take your time. You were looking for ip of failing mirrors.10:09
onefangI'm not seeing that "12u6" anywhere.10:33
gnarfacecould it be something that was added by mistake then quickly removed, but not quickly enough to keep it from permeating indexes?10:35
CueXXIIIhm, would it be useful to manually report problems for ceres/unstable on deb.devuan.org rr? and is there a way to tell apt to print ips for successful queries?10:35
friedhelmIt's on daedalus-security.10:40
onefangHmmm https://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/g/glibc/ has it.  Last updated several days ago.10:40
friedhelm*** 2.36-9+deb12u6 50010:40
friedhelm        500 http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-security/main amd64 Packages10:40
onefangThe Devuan mirrors I looked at are ones that host Debian as well.  Most mirrors redirect things like that to Debian mirrors, but not repo.jing,rocks and a few others.10:43
friedhelmSometimes when upgrading, I get a 404 from a mirror. It works when retrying since I then hit another mirror.10:44
onefangOr you where trying a mirror that was in the middle of an update, and it works later coz the update is done.10:44
friedhelmAlso sometimes I get something like "file has unexpected size" or some such.10:44
onefangLikely coz the file was updated, but not the metadata, or the other way around.10:45
friedhelmPossible.10:45
onefangUpdating a mirror isn't instantaneous.  I have a TODO to work on proper sequencing.10:45
friedhelmI only noticed, you were looking into problems with mirrors and for IPs. So tried to help. Not a problem for me here.10:46
onefangapt-panopticon is the tool I wrote to check for those things.  What systemdlete was looking at was a problem THEY had.10:47
onefangapt-panopticon can't download every single package every time it tests, it tries to pick small ones.10:48
* onefang fires up my daedalus VM to check.10:49
onefangMy daedalus VM uses my own mirror directly, to eat my own dog food.  It upgraded to that version of libc6-dev fine.  My mirror redirects to Debian mirrors for this sort of thing.11:04
onefangBut as I said above, the mirrors that host Debian themselves and don't redirect, I didn't see it in any of them that I checked.11:05
onefangAnd after upgrading libc6, it rebooted fine as well.11:13
onefangapt-panopticon does check debian-security redirects, just not that particular package.11:14
onefangAfter switching apt-panopticon to test with that package, ALL those that mirror Debian as well failed.11:33
onefangBut that's a rather large package, so I'll switch back to the smaller one.11:34
onefangSo I suspect it's a Debian issue rather than a Devuan one.11:36
onefangWell that was a different type of bug hunt.  There was a bee in my bathroom.12:15
* onefang yawns and heads to bed. G'night.12:26
amarsh04have hd-idle installed but not specifically configured. Old version (1.05+ds-2+b2) has /etc/default/hd-idle with HD_IDLE_OPTS="-h" so that if unconfigured, the help information is printed out. The new version (1.21+ds-1) does not set HD_IDLE_OPTS and sets another environmental variable which is not checked by the /etc/init.d/hd-idle script but might be used by systemd17:52
amarsh04this was reported by me as: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=106963717:57
systemdleteI'm trying to get apt to show me a listing of changes BEFORE I actually perform the upgrade step.  But even after apt-update, I get errors.  I am using apt-cacher-ng, so I tried disabling that and re-running apt update.  But still errors.19:05
systemdleteSays changelog is unavailable for <pkg-name> and a big fat 40419:06
systemdleteErr:1 http://pkgmaster.devuan.org glibc 2.36-9+deb12u6 Changelog19:06
systemdleteChangelog unavailable for glibc=2.36-9+deb12u6 (404  Not Found [IP: 192.168.30.35...19:07
systemdleteChangelog unavailable for glibc=2.36-9+deb12u6 (404  Not Found [IP: 192.168.30.35...19:07
systemdleteI read the apt-listchanges page, and tried the --apt option, but it complains because I don't have the HOOK variable set (not sure what to do to make that happen)19:08
systemdletealso tried installing aptitude, but it also complains at me when I run aptitude changelog <pkg-name>19:09
systemdleteE: Cannot display changelog: Origin of libc-bin version 2.36-9+deb12u6 is unknown (maybe not an official Debian package; if it is, try to "update" package lists)19:09
systemdlete(yes, I know HOW to set a variable in the environment, but what I don't know is specifically WHAT to set it TO)19:10
systemdleteIt would be nice to see the changelogs before doing an update.  Sometimes I am busy doing other things, and apt upgrade can take a long time to run (esp if a lot of pkgs need upgrade) and may even require a reboot, etc.19:12
systemdleteIf I can see something is urgent, then I can decide whether to hold off or do the upgrade immedately19:12
systemdlete*immediately19:12
friedhelmfor what it's worth: "aptitude changelog" is broken for a long time. I get the same errors.19:15
systemdletethis is interesting.  The VM I upgraded from beowulf to chimaera needs me to install CPAN modules (which were installed previously in beowulf).  Did something change with the perl configuration in devuan from beowulf to chimaera?  (I did read the release notes, but maybe I overlooked or forgot something about this)19:39

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