| stanu | 162MB used on maemo-leste right now, 12 terminals open. Wish my other systems were so frugal. | 03:58 |
|---|---|---|
| stanu | is the hdmi1 using some plain framebuffer driver? seems pokey | 04:05 |
| freemangordon | Wizzup: We shall ask jusa for "module restore" as well (why it is needed and shall we bring it in leste as well) | 07:40 |
| dreamer | https://hilbricht.net/software_criteria.html | 08:13 |
| freemangordon | https://github.com/maemo-leste/osso-abook/commit/af9577f9746df3eb3040a510fcfa3ac46287fd2f | 08:43 |
| freemangordon | https://github.com/maemo-leste/osso-abook/commit/62d066a6ec64e535097dd31912d59774e91ed72a | 08:43 |
| freemangordon | :) | 08:43 |
| parazyd | <3 | 08:44 |
| parazyd | freemangordon: If you also look at compiling osso-addressbook, you'll see some missing functions from osso-abook | 08:46 |
| parazyd | This is where I stopped further work | 08:46 |
| freemangordon | parazyd: no need to look, I know they are missing | 08:46 |
| freemangordon | but thish should not stop you, I am nin it | 08:46 |
| freemangordon | *on it | 08:46 |
| parazyd | I made TODOs in actions.c | 08:47 |
| parazyd | ok | 08:47 |
| freemangordon | soon or later they will appear | 08:47 |
| parazyd | Thanks | 08:47 |
| freemangordon | we need to do our meeting though | 08:47 |
| parazyd | Yes | 08:47 |
| freemangordon | maybe tomorrow evening? | 08:48 |
| parazyd | I'm available | 08:48 |
| parazyd | oh wait, that's thursday | 08:48 |
| parazyd | I'm busy between 7:30 pm to 10pm | 08:48 |
| parazyd | CEST | 08:48 |
| freemangordon | hmm, maybe on Saturday then | 08:50 |
| parazyd | That should be doable | 08:52 |
| bencoh | ץ*! | 08:55 |
| bencoh | woops | 08:55 |
| stanu | calendar also has some white background text entry fields now | 09:49 |
| Wizzup | freemangordon: great @ commits | 11:16 |
| freemangordon | more comming :) | 11:17 |
| freemangordon | *coming | 11:17 |
| Wizzup | :D | 11:17 |
| bencoh | :) | 11:20 |
| Wizzup | btw, it looks like spiriion is not here (mer ngfd and mce guy?), he was here before, maybe we should ask him if he wants to join again | 11:21 |
| Wizzup | he might have more direct contact with some mer folks too, wrt audio or telepathty | 11:21 |
| Wizzup | telepathy* | 11:21 |
| bencoh | sounds like a good idea | 11:29 |
| lel | bencoh opened an issue: https://github.com/maemo-leste-extras/bugtracker/issues/22 ([REQ] wifi-switcher) | 11:34 |
| Wizzup | freemangordon: re: module restore, let's see if he answers first | 13:01 |
| stanu | https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/chatcontrol-european-parliament-approves-mass-surveillance-of-private-communications/ | 13:42 |
| bencoh | wtf | 13:50 |
| Wizzup | worth noting these protections do not exist in the us at all | 13:54 |
| Wizzup | and we'll see if it actually passes and also the legal challenges brought forward already | 13:54 |
| lel | parazyd created a repository: https://github.com/maemo-leste-extras/wifi-switcher | 14:46 |
| parazyd | bencoh: Nice, seems it worked :) | 15:20 |
| bencoh | :) | 15:20 |
| lel | bencoh closed an issue: https://github.com/maemo-leste-extras/bugtracker/issues/22 ([REQ] wifi-switcher) | 15:21 |
| Wizzup | there is ##leste-ci but it can be spammyu | 15:23 |
| Wizzup | spammy* | 15:24 |
| stanu_ | http://0x0.st/-fd5.webp doom3 on droid4 :P | 15:37 |
| buZz | stanr: at what fps? | 18:56 |
| stanr | bout 0.5 in opening scene | 18:57 |
| buZz | lol | 18:57 |
| stanr | that's not at all the appropriate port | 18:57 |
| stanr | there's an iphone one, one for 3DO etc | 18:57 |
| buZz | doom3 for 3DO? | 18:58 |
| stanr | it was just neet to see it render without errors | 18:58 |
| stanr | yes | 18:58 |
| uvos | no | 18:58 |
| buZz | O_o | 18:58 |
| uvos | no way | 18:58 |
| jkepler | Hello, I'm trying to install maemo-leste on my N900. I've got a working freemantle install, so I'm following the instruction on the wiki (https://leste.maemo.org/Nokia_N900). However, after step 1. Install "U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1", the application installer says, "!!!U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1 breaks the 3rd party package policy." | 18:58 |
| buZz | 3DO is what, 1991? | 18:58 |
| uvos | the 3do can bearly do 3d | 18:58 |
| uvos | there was a (bad doom port for the 3do) | 18:58 |
| buZz | jkepler: yes thats correct, we break nokia's 3rd party policy :) | 18:58 |
| Wizzup | jkepler: how are you installing it? | 18:58 |
| stanr | https://github.com/Olde-Skuul/doom3do | 18:59 |
| jkepler | In details, it says its missing "kernel modules (=2.6.28-20103103+0m5) | 18:59 |
| uvos | the d4 should be capaable of doom 3 | 18:59 |
| uvos | maybe try on android for referance | 18:59 |
| uvos | the pvr setup on leste underperforms drasticly | 18:59 |
| buZz | stanr: thats doom1 | 18:59 |
| jkepler | So, how do I tell my N900 to ignore Nokia obviously now outdated policy? | 19:00 |
| stanr | oh right | 19:00 |
| uvos | even doom 1 on the 3do is an achivement | 19:00 |
| buZz | they couldnt even render doom through doom's engine :P | 19:00 |
| stanr | :) | 19:01 |
| buZz | had to rewrite big parts, from what i see | 19:01 |
| uvos | yeah well the 3do has no cpu you have to use the support chips | 19:01 |
| uvos | anyhow off topic | 19:01 |
| uvos | lets not get into this here | 19:01 |
| stanr | uvos do you know any scummvm GUI theme with double-sized fonts? | 19:01 |
| stanr | we could surely one for maemo-leste scummvm | 19:02 |
| uvos | no | 19:02 |
| bencoh | jkepler: what if you install power-kernel first? | 19:02 |
| buZz | wait, doesnt scummvm have 'double pixels' by itself already? | 19:02 |
| stanr | not gui | 19:02 |
| bencoh | (I don't quite remember in which order that should be done, but iirc I never had any real issue installing uboot) | 19:02 |
| buZz | pixel-doubling, only for games? | 19:03 |
| buZz | sad | 19:03 |
| jkepler | Thanks bencoh, I'm gonna read through http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power and hopefully start things moving forward. | 19:05 |
| uvos | jkepler: what are you trying to achive? | 19:07 |
| Wizzup | uvos: install u-boot on fremantle so that he can boot leste on sd card I would guess | 19:07 |
| jkepler | uvos, I'm trying to follow https://leste.maemo.org/Nokia_N900 to install leste alongside my existing freemantle, but got an error that step 1. violates 3rd party policies. | 19:08 |
| uvos | so extract the kernel and append the on pc? | 19:08 |
| uvos | instead of installing via fremantle? (im no expert on this subject) | 19:08 |
| uvos | *append the kernel on pc | 19:08 |
| sixwheeledbeast | What version of fremantle do you have at the moment? | 19:09 |
| Wizzup | uvos: I think we want our instructions to encompass instructions for users to install it on fremantle | 19:10 |
| Wizzup | also while keeping fremantle intact | 19:10 |
| Wizzup | so we might need to expand the instructions to install power kernel first, if that is what is required | 19:10 |
| uvos | Wizzup: sure but if it dosent work atm the route that goes by just taking the freemantle zimage and appening that to uboot on pc works fine | 19:11 |
| uvos | i did that recently | 19:11 |
| uvos | if appended kernel_2.6.28-20103103 is fine with you i can give you the image | 19:11 |
| uvos | @jkepler | 19:11 |
| sixwheeledbeast | installing from a base system of stable/testing/thumb and then kp/non-kp I expect to have different results. | 19:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I suppose wiki expects cssu testing? | 19:12 |
| Wizzup | uvos: well if one doesn't care to keep fremantle working it becomes a different story sure | 19:12 |
| uvos | Wizzup: ?? i did keep freemantle working | 19:12 |
| uvos | you can just append the kernel from the kernel .deb for fremantle, if you choose the right .deb everything will work fine | 19:13 |
| uvos | once you flash the resulting uboot image via 0xffff | 19:13 |
| jkepler | How do I find out which version of cssu I'm running? | 19:13 |
| uvos | uname -a would be sufficant for your purposes | 19:14 |
| uvos | (to find out what kernel to append) | 19:14 |
| Wizzup | uvos: ok, it just sounds more involved and risky than fixing our wiki instructions is what I mean | 19:15 |
| jkepler | So Wizzup, if I understand correctly, 0. install the power-kernel from the freemantle application manager, then follow steps 1 - 3 to install maemo leste alongside my cssu, yes? | 19:16 |
| Wizzup | I think so, there is a dedicated u-boot thread on the forum somewhere, I've also had this trouble in the past but I do not remember what it was exactly | 19:17 |
| Wizzup | I think you need to install the power kernel and then pick the right u-boot entry from HAM (if you see multiple) | 19:17 |
| sicelo | uvos: the 3d underperfomance is a Leste issue or powervr+mainline? | 19:21 |
| sicelo | jkepler: CSSU version is stated in Settings > About Community SSU | 19:22 |
| sicelo | as for your issue, install the modules it is asking for - should be safe to do it from `apt-get install` in XTerminal | 19:23 |
| jkepler | ah, I didn't realize that I could overrule the app manager with the terminal - I use apt all the time on my Debian stable installation. | 19:25 |
| sicelo | you can, and most of the time it's safe. However, of course you want to read all warnings and act accordingly | 19:26 |
| sicelo | do check your CSSU version for sure, especially to know if you have thumb, for which you'll need to be just a bit more careful with setting up your u-boot scripts if you intend to use them | 19:27 |
| uvos | sicelo: ddk1.14 + wayland performs better maybe not quite android par | 19:29 |
| bencoh | sicelo: iirc thumb is unusable with srtock kernel | 19:30 |
| uvos | sicelo: its mostly ddk1.9 + xorg that underperforms vastly | 19:30 |
| uvos | sicelo: for some really wierd reason ddk1.14 plain drm also underperforms vs wayland | 19:31 |
| uvos | no idea why | 19:31 |
| uvos | *ddk1.17 | 19:32 |
| bencoh | has anyone tried suspend on droid4 with powervr? | 19:33 |
| uvos | dident work last time i tryed but not sure if its pvrs fault | 19:34 |
| bencoh | (I know it worked decently without, at least back 1~2y ago) | 19:34 |
| sicelo | bencoh: yeah, hence the need to know before one sets up automatic boot. the boot script must specify the thumb kernel in that case | 19:34 |
| bencoh | uvos: oh :( | 19:34 |
| Wizzup | I think I did suspend and it went ok, but X segfaulted on wakeup | 19:35 |
| Wizzup | iirc | 19:35 |
| bencoh | shit | 19:35 |
| bencoh | back then I used to do it all the time with X open, and it didn't crash | 19:35 |
| sicelo | wayland on ddk1.17 works quite alright indeed - phosh runs well enough ... not perfectly | 19:35 |
| bencoh | Wizzup: I think someone already tried disabling it but I'm unsure ... I wonder if disabling the hdmi regulator (currently always-on) would help with power | 19:37 |
| Wizzup | bencoh: no 3d in use and no powervr specific ddx perhaps | 19:37 |
| Wizzup | bencoh: good point, not sure about the hdmi regulator | 19:37 |
| mighty17[m] | <sicelo "wayland on ddk1.17 works quite a"> Does it crash a lot on d4? | 19:38 |
| mighty17[m] | Plus patch wlroots | 19:38 |
| bencoh | Wizzup: for my working suspend test? yeah, that was an old custom ddx, with no 3d/powervr | 19:38 |
| Wizzup | bencoh: that's probably it tbh | 19:38 |
| bencoh | (suspend just happened to work iirc, I didn't do anything for that) | 19:39 |
| bencoh | I'm starting to think it might be the only way to achieve better battery life on droid4 :( | 19:39 |
| uvos | bencoh: hmm not sure why you would want to suspend a mapphone | 19:40 |
| uvos | bencoh: since battery life is pretty good idle allreadt | 19:40 |
| uvos | y | 19:40 |
| bencoh | (we currently get at most two days idling with everything disabled) | 19:40 |
| bencoh | uvos: err .... n900/fremantle idles at ~10mW with modem on | 19:41 |
| uvos | sure so dose android | 19:41 |
| uvos | it dosent suspend | 19:41 |
| uvos | and uses like 15mW | 19:41 |
| bencoh | android on droid4 idles at 15mW?! | 19:41 |
| uvos | just improve kernel support :) | 19:41 |
| Wizzup | bencoh: I think OFF mode would be key here | 19:41 |
| uvos | yeah | 19:41 |
| bencoh | oh and, android uses suspend | 19:42 |
| Wizzup | uvos: is that with modem on? | 19:42 |
| uvos | (with no modem to be fair) | 19:42 |
| uvos | bencoh: no | 19:42 |
| uvos | bencoh: not on d4 | 19:42 |
| uvos | it dose not suspend | 19:42 |
| uvos | ever | 19:42 |
| uvos | it uses off mode | 19:42 |
| bencoh | hmm | 19:42 |
| uvos | Wizzup: with modem its more | 19:42 |
| bencoh | (I didn't get great battery life on lineage/droid4 either btw, so I'm a bit puzzled anyway) | 19:42 |
| uvos | linageos has many wakeups | 19:43 |
| bencoh | Wizzup: I thought droid4 already hits OFF mode? | 19:43 |
| uvos | no | 19:43 |
| uvos | it hits RET | 19:43 |
| bencoh | ah | 19:43 |
| bencoh | I see | 19:43 |
| uvos | omap4 lacks support for off in mainline kernel | 19:43 |
| bencoh | alright then | 19:43 |
| sicelo | mmm | 19:43 |
| bencoh | hmm, was that the part where kernel complains about a missing something in firmware to enter OFF mode? | 19:44 |
| sicelo | omap3 has support for what? OFF? RET? or both? | 19:44 |
| uvos | both | 19:44 |
| uvos | bencoh: all the drivers need support to reload the registers after off | 19:44 |
| uvos | bencoh: there might be other stuff missing to | 19:44 |
| uvos | bencoh: tmlind likely knows more details | 19:45 |
| stanr | d4 is tolerant of any extended battery you wire up, even in android | 19:45 |
| buZz | bencoh: is twodays idle 'not great battery life' ? | 19:45 |
| uvos | buZz: well no | 19:45 |
| uvos | buZz: compeard to motorola stock android that really bad | 19:45 |
| buZz | ah ok, i didnt try that | 19:45 |
| bencoh | uvos: that wouldn't be the most difficult part, considering I had pm_suspend working (without pvr) | 19:45 |
| bencoh | buZz: it drops pretty quickly to less than a day overall once you start using it a bit | 19:47 |
| sicelo | mighty17[m]: it did crash, but i think yours is more crash happy - i could use phosh reasonably ok on the droid4. | 19:47 |
| buZz | bencoh: yeah i know | 19:48 |
| buZz | imho thats still pretty ok | 19:48 |
| buZz | but well, longer would be very welcome obv :) | 19:48 |
| bencoh | that's more than enough for a dev phone and playong around yeah :) | 19:50 |
| bencoh | it's great already, but ... still :) | 19:50 |
| uvos | the real problem is that it uses way to much power while using the device (imo) | 19:51 |
| uvos | this is related to pvr | 19:51 |
| bencoh | (tbf 8Mm amazed at the progress that was done there) | 19:51 |
| uvos | the cpu ends up doing a lot of rendering work and has to copy the frame around | 19:51 |
| uvos | so while scrollin in android the cpu remains idle on leste its hammerd 100% | 19:51 |
| uvos | also android is way more agressvie with gateing sgx while the display is on | 19:52 |
| uvos | it will gate sgx between frames | 19:52 |
| mighty17[m] | <sicelo "mighty17: it did crash, but i th"> i mean many apps dont work :P | 19:53 |
| sicelo | or i'm more patient ;-) | 19:55 |
| mighty17[m] | oh damn i have been replying sorry irc | 20:04 |
| mighty17[m] | i mean many apps dont work :P > well idk whom to blame pmos or sgx | 20:05 |
| stanr | spexking of sgx, what are you seeing with glmark2-es | 20:13 |
| stanr | ./glmark2-es2 --fullscreen | 20:14 |
| bencoh | uvos: is redrawing rate capped, or does it get as high as possible? | 20:14 |
| stanr | though for visible results you need to dsmetool -k hildon and run it without | 20:16 |
| uvos | its capped to 60 but it dosent matter it never acchives this with a gles2 client | 20:16 |
| bencoh | hildon compositing counts as gles client? | 20:18 |
| uvos | no - sorta | 20:18 |
| bencoh | (I have scrolling in mind) | 20:18 |
| uvos | hildon gets a special path | 20:18 |
| uvos | the xclients that are not the compositor get hammerd | 20:18 |
| mighty17[m] | ./glmark2-es2 --fullscreen oh rightt i forgot about this | 20:19 |
| uvos | because the dri2 buffer flip path is broken | 20:19 |
| uvos | (it causes high cpu use - very likely the cpu i copying the frame) | 20:19 |
| uvos | *is | 20:19 |
| stanr | well we get strange results with a lot of fullscreen gles2 | 20:20 |
| stanr | like it's getting the wrong resolution | 20:20 |
| stanr | but it's faster than windowed/composited | 20:21 |
| mighty17[m] | gimme a sec, i hv diff powervr device | 20:21 |
| stanr | i get glmark2 score 34 on hdmi | 20:21 |
| stanr | most tests top out at 42-43 fps though which is odddly consistent | 20:22 |
| jkepler | Duh! Just realized that this N900 (I have two) is the one I *didn't* upgrade to CSSU. Gotta do that first, then power-kernel, then U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1, so I can use Freemantle CSSU and Maemo Leste. Thanks for the help! | 20:23 |
| uvos | jkepler: you can just use my image then thats with stock freemantle kernel | 20:24 |
| uvos | or apppend yourself | 20:24 |
| uvos | no need for cssu | 20:24 |
| Wizzup | jkepler: great, maybe cssu should be mentioned as requirement on the wiki if not already | 20:24 |
| uvos | (unless you want it ofc) | 20:24 |
| buZz | i thought CSSU was already mentioned on it? | 20:24 |
| jkepler | @buZz I though so too, but I remembered incorrectly, confusing this n900 with my other one. I recently moved and this one was in storage, so its been a while since I'd picked it up. | 20:25 |
| buZz | :) glad you found the issue then | 20:26 |
| uvos | http://uvos.xyz/maserati/u-boot-2013.04-2-with-freemantle-kern.bin | 20:26 |
| buZz | cssu isnt mentioned on the wiki! | 20:26 |
| buZz | jkepler: if you want, you could be making your first addition to maemo leste today! | 20:26 |
| buZz | :D | 20:26 |
| buZz | lol | 20:27 |
| buZz | i scared them off, didnt i | 20:27 |
| buZz | wb | 20:27 |
| jkepler | So if I get maemo leste installed with CSSU that's something others haven't done? Or is it more that its not yet been documented? | 20:28 |
| uvos | its been done | 20:29 |
| uvos | its just poorly documented maybe | 20:29 |
| buZz | i think whoever wrote the documentation didnt consider that n900 might -not- be using CSSU ;) | 20:30 |
| buZz | geebus | 20:30 |
| uvos | buZz: maybe he just hates you | 20:30 |
| uvos | :P | 20:30 |
| buZz | understandable | 20:30 |
| buZz | must have spoken to my gf | 20:30 |
| uvos | :D | 20:30 |
| stanr | modifying a scummvm theme removes it from the themes list. i can't even. | 20:32 |
| buZz | :D | 20:33 |
| sicelo | CSSU is not a requirement. Even stock/vanilla can handle u-boot just fine | 20:37 |
| jkepler | @buZz do you have some reasons you prefer running Freemantle without CSSU? I used CSSU on my other N900 for years, so I don't recall if plain freemantle has any advantages, particularly in 2021. | 20:38 |
| sicelo | there's no good reason to | 20:39 |
| sicelo | but, if you flash the standard image, you have non-CSSU, and if you're itching to play with u-boot right away ... there's a reason | 20:40 |
| jkepler | I want to start using maemo leste to the extent that I can, as I really like the idea of the project. My main phone rune LineageOS (without any Google services), but I'd much prefer having a mainline GNU/linux kernel and standard tools on a command line with a pocket-sized physical keyboard. | 20:42 |
| stanr | it very fun to have the same base OS on phone as rest of my devices | 20:43 |
| bencoh | Wizzup: I doubt CSSU is a hard requirement | 22:04 |
| stanr | 'i'll just quick make a large font SCUMMVM theme', he said... | 22:07 |
| bencoh | haha | 22:08 |
| bencoh | is there a way to disable HAM automatic repository update? | 22:10 |
| sicelo | yes, at least there was in Fremantle | 22:11 |
| sicelo | well not disable - more like, defer : https://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Disabling_Auto_Updates_Check | 22:12 |
| bencoh | ah, this might be enough, thank | 22:13 |
| bencoh | +s | 22:13 |
| bencoh | we'll see if it works on leste | 22:15 |
| Wizzup | should work | 22:22 |
| Wizzup | bencoh: I disabled wifi with the switcher but I am still able to connect to wifi it seems? | 23:56 |
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