| Wizzup | uvos: radiocomm comes with a nice user manual :) RadioComm_UserManual.pdf | 11:19 |
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| Wizzup | uvos: I think radiocomm just talks to COM1 or so, so maybe it can work in wine (it doesn't even start in wine right now though, needs some .net stuff) | 11:22 |
| Wizzup | uvos: oh nvm, also needs usb ofc | 11:24 |
| sicelo | maybe a Windows VM, with USB passthrough? | 11:25 |
| Wizzup | I just remembered my gf has a laptop with windows, so might try that too | 11:26 |
| Wizzup | tmlind: did you poke around much in radiocomm? | 12:31 |
| Wizzup | tmlind: there is an interesting file QC_NVLIST | 12:38 |
| Wizzup | for example 1143 there is NV_WCDMA_1900_VGA_GAIN_OFFSET_I,1143,2, | 12:38 |
| Wizzup | and NV_RF_BC_CONFIG_I,1877,8, | 12:43 |
| Wizzup | contains a lot of AGPS stuff too | 12:47 |
| Wizzup | cpcap_mask_lookup.txt also looks interesting | 12:48 |
| sicelo | Wizzup: thanks for replying on u-boot :) | 12:58 |
| Wizzup | the reply is not the actual work | 13:12 |
| Wizzup | hehe | 13:12 |
| sicelo | yeah, but it's helpful to show there's still life | 13:15 |
| sicelo | and/or interest in the topic | 13:15 |
| tmlind | Wizzup: have not used radiocomm at all, no idea about it. i've just used the register defines in some open source project whatever it was | 14:13 |
| tmlind | libpst in openbst projects | 14:13 |
| tmlind | include/qualcomm/dm_nv.h there has some version of nvram registers | 14:14 |
| tmlind | i think the nvram agps features are not used, or it's configured to get the almanac like droid4-agps is doing | 14:16 |
| tmlind | hmm so what's the cpcap_mask_lookup.txt file? | 14:16 |
| tmlind | Wizzup: maybe email me QC_NVLIST and cpcap_mask_lookup.txt or post them somewhere to look at? | 14:18 |
| Roal-Yr | Hello fellows, I would like to know if there is a Discord server for Maemo Leste (or if it is planned)? Asking because I am not used to use IRC. | 15:17 |
| L29Ah | i'm pretty sure proprietary chat platforms are out of the question | 15:18 |
| Danct12 | you can join through matrix and setup a discord bridge there if that's what you prefer | 15:19 |
| dreamer | as long as we're not bothered by that bridge .. | 15:20 |
| dreamer | (I thought those where always done with a bot shouting messages back and forth) | 15:20 |
| Roal-Yr | That sounds even less convenient though. | 15:20 |
| dreamer | discord would be less convenient | 15:20 |
| dreamer | since everybody is here on irc | 15:20 |
| bencoh | logs are public, so a discord bot / bridge / whatever wouldn't hurt here anyway | 15:20 |
| Roal-Yr | Well, I guess IRC it is then. | 15:20 |
| dreamer | bencoh: it would hurt if it's a bot shouting messages back and forth | 15:20 |
| dreamer | tin-can-telephone-communication | 15:21 |
| Danct12 | if you can properly configure the bot then it just sounds like a normal irc user.. :P | 15:21 |
| * L29Ah uses IRC through XMPP | 15:21 | |
| dreamer | no idea, that's what I usually see channels do and it's super annoying | 15:21 |
| bencoh | dreamer: it's slightly less annoying than I thought at first; someone invited such a bot in another channel | 15:21 |
| dreamer | I tend to quit those channels | 15:21 |
| bencoh | but obviously it isn't exactly great | 15:21 |
| Roal-Yr | In any case, I first have to get my hands on droid 4 and see if what I purchased is functional even. | 15:22 |
| dreamer | it's more annoying than matrix-server quits/joins | 15:22 |
| dreamer | Roal-Yr: :) | 15:22 |
| Danct12 | i still yet to find a droid 4, it seems like vast majority of them are overseas | 15:22 |
| Roal-Yr | I couldn't resist the temptation of owning a qwerty slider again, moreover on linux. | 15:22 |
| Danct12 | (i might as well ask someone there to buy it for me) | 15:23 |
| bencoh | Danct12: depends on which part of the world you are I guess ... I think mine came from the USA | 15:23 |
| bencoh | (iirc) | 15:23 |
| Roal-Yr | I have managed to get a second-hand one for about 17$ locally. There is another one for 12$ but it is much more battered. | 15:23 |
| bencoh | hmm, mine cost more | 15:23 |
| Danct12 | honestly, if the phone has a keyboard in landscape mode, that's the selling point for me :) | 15:24 |
| Roal-Yr | Okay, now the important question: is the compiling toolchain there on ML? I am into coding on phone (in fact writing from Termux now), and I am interested in being able to do that if possible. I've seen Python packages, I think... | 15:25 |
| bencoh | Roal-Yr: leste is based on devuan | 15:27 |
| bencoh | it's basically devuan + custom repos | 15:27 |
| bencoh | so the toolchain is devuan's toolchain | 15:27 |
| Roal-Yr | Good-good. | 15:28 |
| bencoh | :) | 15:28 |
| Roal-Yr | If I can get to code in Rust on a phone from 2011 that will be very pleasant. | 15:28 |
| bencoh | nothing stopping you from doing it :) | 15:29 |
| Roal-Yr | I hope they support armhf? Or was it armv7? | 15:29 |
| bencoh | armhf | 15:29 |
| L29Ah | armv7hf? | 15:29 |
| bencoh | yeah | 15:29 |
| bencoh | (droid4/n900 don't support armv8, obviously) | 15:30 |
| Roal-Yr | By the way, why OMAP devices? | 15:30 |
| L29Ah | might be v6 | 15:31 |
| bencoh | if you ask why does two, then n900 was maemo 5 (fremantle) only platform; droid4 is quite similar to it in various ways | 15:31 |
| bencoh | s/does/those/ | 15:31 |
| bencoh | and well, it make it pretty nice target once some people started working on it | 15:32 |
| bencoh | (even before leste started iirc) | 15:32 |
| bencoh | (uhg, sorry about all the typos, I keep rephrasing without re-reading afterwards) | 15:33 |
| dreamer | potentially there are a lot of other OMAP devices that could be added (think Pandora, Pyra and others) | 15:33 |
| Roal-Yr | By the way, did anyone of you try PinePhone? How is it? I am tempted by the fact that it may cost me just one month worth of income. Naturally I went for droid 4 as a cheaper preview device... | 15:34 |
| L29Ah | pinephone's idle runtime is horrible for such a fat battery | 15:35 |
| bencoh | Roal-Yr: there a few Leste demos on pinephone on youtube if you want | 15:35 |
| L29Ah | but apparently people don't mind keeping it connected daily | 15:35 |
| Roal-Yr | Oh boy. | 15:36 |
| Roal-Yr | My main concern with Android is that they are closing the gaps in security and new SDK versions will prohibit compilation and execution of 3rd-party code, which means that at most one could do script coding. | 15:37 |
| Roal-Yr | That means either staying on Android 10/11 or looking for alternatives. | 15:38 |
| Roal-Yr | For devices as good as personal computers in terms of hardware to be so... restricted in terms of software, this is depressing. | 15:39 |
| L29Ah | smartphones aren't even close to proper laptops wrt hardware | 15:41 |
| L29Ah | inferior processing, inferior input, inferior memory, inferior peripherals... | 15:41 |
| Roal-Yr | Depends on one's requirements though. | 15:41 |
| stano_ | they exceed the performance of desktops if you go back X years | 15:53 |
| stano_ | anyway, glad to have more interest and helpers to make Maemo rise from the ashes | 15:55 |
| bencoh | <3 | 16:03 |
| Roal-Yr | It is my final PhD year, and I will be trying hard to not to fail, so I promise nothing right now, but I definitely see linux phones being as good as linux computers in the future (if we live long enough). | 16:09 |
| Roal-Yr | And I will be glad to contgibute if possible. | 16:09 |
| stano_ | it's in a play-with-able state already, so you can familiarize yourself with it in your 'off time' and have fun, without committing yourself to impossible things | 16:14 |
| stano_ | dear leader Linus told us to "have fun" | 16:15 |
| Roal-Yr | Absolutely. | 16:15 |
| Roal-Yr | What else is there to do otherwise. | 16:15 |
| stano_ | the stage beyond that is 'do your duty' | 16:16 |
| Roal-Yr | Which is equally fulfilling TBH. Balance is the key. | 16:26 |
| _uvos_ | Wizzup: interestin @ radiocomm | 16:39 |
| _uvos_ | i only ever used it with a85x | 16:40 |
| _uvos_ | regarding the cpcap file, on d4 the 3g modem is not connected it cpcap at all, but the 4g modem is | 16:40 |
| _uvos_ | it would be interesting to also see what, if any, radiocomm has on lcm2.0 | 16:41 |
| _uvos_ | maybe on d3 the modem is serviced by cpcap instead of its own pmic | 16:42 |
| _uvos_ | that would make some sense, the maybe ran out of regulators while adding the 4g modem so they added the second pmic | 16:42 |
| _uvos_ | that would also explain the non-functional modem in letste | 16:43 |
| _uvos_ | on d3 | 16:44 |
| _uvos_ | maybe look at the d3 teardown and see if the quallcom pmic is included like on d4 | 16:45 |
| sicelo | Roal-Yr: and yes, not necessarily OMAP devices. if you have a QCOM with mainline kernel, it can be supported. iirc support for Xiaomi Poco F1 was merged (or stalled?) | 16:49 |
| _uvos_ | also we support pp, a non-omap device | 16:50 |
| Roal-Yr | Oh right. | 16:58 |
| Roal-Yr | Disconnected... I was writing that I could possibly get 3 droid 4s for 17$ each. And looks like they are in decent condition. | 19:13 |
| Roal-Yr | Can't be too many linux phones. | 19:13 |
| stano_ | collect them all! | 19:14 |
| stano_ | Roal-Yr: https://leste.maemo.org/images/thumb/6/6c/Cant_have_2_much_leste.jpg/800px-Cant_have_2_much_leste.jpg | 19:14 |
| stano_ | sometimes you can find a seller with a 'lot' of them on ebay | 19:15 |
| Roal-Yr | They also have Droid Pro (non-slider qwerty) for 6$... | 19:18 |
| stano_ | never seen that | 19:18 |
| Roal-Yr | XT610 | 19:19 |
| stano_ | the SoC might be doable but 320x480 wouldn't work well | 19:21 |
| Roal-Yr | Well TTY should do? | 19:21 |
| Roal-Yr | Or simple DE like IceVM or what was it... | 19:22 |
| stano_ | do for maemo-leste | 19:23 |
| Roal-Yr | I am excited way too much, TBH. Gotta get this one droid 4 first and see how it goes before concluding anything. | 19:23 |
| stano_ | that's just another class of resolution which maemo UI was never designed for | 19:24 |
| Roal-Yr | BTW, theoretically, it should support gles2 game I am making in Godot, as well as Godot editor itself... | 19:24 |
| stano_ | the nokia 770 had 800x480 in 2005 | 19:25 |
| Roal-Yr | Well, it all boils down to DPI. | 19:25 |
| stano_ | yes, just saying the body of maemo apps is landscape-centric, and targeting a larger screen, both in physical size and resolution | 19:26 |
| stano_ | it might be fun to run linux on the droid pro, but not fun to run maemo-leste | 19:26 |
| Roal-Yr | Well, I have had X10 mini pro in 2010, with just 2.3"... So I know how it feels. | 19:28 |
| uvos | dont buy xt610, its unrelated to the d4 | 19:28 |
| uvos | its a sholes based device | 19:28 |
| uvos | so no linux support of any kind | 19:28 |
| Roal-Yr | Sholes? | 19:28 |
| uvos | motorola phone architecture | 19:28 |
| uvos | d3/ d4/ bionic etc are mapphones | 19:29 |
| Roal-Yr | Is it hardware-wise or software-wise? | 19:29 |
| uvos | they share most chips inc. expecally omap4, mdm6600 and cpcap | 19:29 |
| uvos | hw wise | 19:29 |
| uvos | the xt610 is unrelated harware wise | 19:29 |
| uvos | and uses omap3 and ti pmic etc | 19:29 |
| uvos | Wizzup: the d3 also contains the qcom pmic | 19:39 |
| uvos | Wizzup: so thats not it, also this means the device dosent violate the modem "seperation of powers" as sutch | 19:39 |
| Roal-Yr | What about raspberries? | 19:40 |
| uvos | what about them? | 19:41 |
| Roal-Yr | In terms of hardware are they supported? How is that hardware comparable with what droid 4 has? | 19:46 |
| uvos | they are well supported | 19:47 |
| uvos | but arnt phones | 19:47 |
| uvos | obv | 19:47 |
| uvos | any pi where you can run devuan will run leste | 19:47 |
| Roal-Yr | I see, thank you. | 19:48 |
| uvos | hw wise its not really comperabil | 19:48 |
| uvos | im modern pis are mutch faster than the d4 ofc | 19:48 |
| sicelo | Roal-Yr: regarding phones with small screens, this might be interesting - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8_vSH3a0zs :-) | 19:49 |
| uvos | the d4 has lots of built in peripherals the pis dont have being, you know, a real phone and all | 19:49 |
| Roal-Yr | I assume that is what causing most trouble. | 20:08 |
| uvos | for supporting a new phone, yeah that adds some complexity sure. as far as the d4 is concerned tho its a solved problem | 20:26 |
| uvos | every peripheral is supported, except cameras. | 20:26 |
| uvos | and the lte modem | 20:26 |
| uvos | umts modem works fine | 20:27 |
| stano_ | there's a huge stack of work to support cameras too, judging by that lecture i saw on n900 | 20:27 |
| uvos | yeah | 20:27 |
| uvos | the omap side is mostly done afaik | 20:28 |
| uvos | not sure how stable it is tho | 20:28 |
| uvos | but we know next to nothing about the acctual chips | 20:28 |
| stano_ | :/ | 20:28 |
| stano_ | even without a wizzbang camera app, getting to a v4l2 device would be a huge achievement | 20:28 |
| uvos | the front camera has a out of tree driver tho, you might be able to get it going with resonable effort and the out of tree iss patches | 20:29 |
| uvos | back camera is tough | 20:29 |
| stano_ | not even on my wishlist really | 20:30 |
| Roal-Yr | Driver-specific issue? (I assume USB cameras should work?) | 20:34 |
| uvos | there is no driver for the iss (in tree) there is no driver for the camera chips, we dont even know where the f*** the camera is connected (regulator wise, bus wise) | 20:35 |
| Roal-Yr | Oh boy. | 20:36 |
| stano_ | fm transmitter would be more fun for me :P | 20:37 |
| uvos | there is a fm transmitter | 20:37 |
| stano_ | yup :P | 20:37 |
| uvos | but im going to venture a gues and say the antenna is connected no where | 20:37 |
| uvos | so it wont ever work | 20:37 |
| sicelo | hw mod then? | 20:40 |
| uvos | no | 20:40 |
| uvos | its bga and if they dident connect it thats that | 20:40 |
| uvos | there is no where you could solder something in this case | 20:41 |
| stano_ | someone at motorola pooped on that then. n900 was sometimes usable as an in-car transmitter | 20:42 |
| uvos | not really | 20:42 |
| uvos | they dident want the additional cert complexity | 20:42 |
| uvos | most likely | 20:42 |
| sicelo | did moto ever release a phone with official fm transmitter anyway? can't recall, but of course, didn't follow all moto doings, plus lots of models didn't make it to this market | 20:45 |
| uvos | i dont know of any reasonably modern phone | 20:46 |
| uvos | some old moto feature phones could | 20:46 |
| sicelo | heh | 20:48 |
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