| lel | MerlijnWajer created a repository: https://github.com/maemo-leste/libicd-openvpn | 10:20 |
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| ^-^hi | Did mer project die in favor of the paid SailfishOS? | 10:40 |
| dreamer | as you can read on wikipedia it was merged to sailfish | 10:43 |
| dreamer | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mer_(software_distribution) | 10:43 |
| sicelo | yes and no. anyway, nemomobile is still around, and being worked on, https://blog.mlich.cz/2021/09/nemomobile-in-september-2021/ | 10:43 |
| dreamer | sicelo: oh wow, that still exists? | 10:44 |
| dreamer | but that's a single developer, that's not particularly hopeful or sustainable | 10:44 |
| ^-^hi | I hate it when operating systems charge money. | 10:46 |
| dreamer | charging money is fine, that's allowed with FOSS | 10:48 |
| ^-^hi | Yes, but I hate it because I can't pay. | 10:48 |
| dreamer | that's ok with FOSS, because you can always build your own :P | 10:48 |
| ^-^hi | Banking restrictions and stuff. | 10:48 |
| dreamer | sailfish isn't entirely closed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mer_(software_distribution) | 10:48 |
| ^-^hi | Yes that is why I asked the first question. | 10:49 |
| dreamer | I don't understand though, how is sailfishos paid? | 10:49 |
| sicelo | with a single developer, nemomobile is making good process. i like where they're going | 10:49 |
| dreamer | I don't see a way to buy it | 10:49 |
| ^-^hi | sicelo: progress :) | 10:50 |
| uvos | sfos is not paid | 10:50 |
| uvos | its close source | 10:50 |
| uvos | but free | 10:50 |
| ^-^hi | It is paid as I checked on their website | 10:50 |
| uvos | there is a special edition you can "buy" | 10:50 |
| uvos | but the oem paies | 10:50 |
| dreamer | hm: https://shop.jolla.com/ | 10:50 |
| uvos | realy thats new the comunity supported versions used to be free | 10:51 |
| dreamer | well, </care> :) | 10:51 |
| sicelo | ^-^hi: ah, yes | 10:51 |
| ^-^hi | I bought Nexus 5 just to run Ubuntu Touch, because that had near-perfect hardware support, and that was the only strong-enough phone with a sane (I thought) Linux with good enough hardware support I could find in our market. | 10:54 |
| sicelo | i think audio doesn't work on that however (with mainline, that is) | 10:55 |
| ^-^hi | Audio did work | 10:55 |
| sicelo | what about OnePlus 6T? available in your market? | 10:55 |
| ^-^hi | No. | 10:55 |
| sicelo | okay. | 10:55 |
| ^-^hi | My expectations were shaped by Maemo. | 10:56 |
| sicelo | i'm quite sure audio doesn't work on N5 :) | 10:56 |
| sicelo | ah .. Ubuntu Touch? that was probably using Android kernel, not mainline | 10:56 |
| ^-^hi | I was thinking: Oh, yet another originally commercial phone Linux, with compatibility with Debian and all the usual stuff, but with better hardware support! | 10:59 |
| sicelo | what about Samsung A3/A5 (2015)? they're not super powerful, but have almost complete mainline support (power management is the main missing component, iirc) | 11:00 |
| ^-^hi | Turns out it is such a weird thing being stuck in Ubuntu Xenial, using goddamn Mer, other weird stuff like making you install software through some custom container format and the UI is so buggy. | 11:00 |
| ^-^hi | sicelo: I checked Samsung A3, turned out Postmarket can't adjust light and some other quirks on that. | 11:01 |
| sicelo | yes, that's another issue :) | 11:02 |
| ^-^hi | And this other thing was supposed to be Debian-ish heaven of normality and having near-perfect hardware support so I bought this one. | 11:02 |
| sicelo | but i definitely intend to buy an A5 at some point in the near future, and run Mobian on it | 11:03 |
| ^-^hi | Mobian? Should check it. | 11:03 |
| ^-^hi | Also the UT people are sooo hack-unfriendly. | 11:03 |
| sicelo | Mobian = near vanilla Debian + SystemD + Phosh | 11:04 |
| Wizzup | ^-^hi: to be clear we're not stopping you from doing halium stuff, in fact someone did that for the fxtec as proof of concept a while ago | 11:05 |
| Wizzup | it's just not something we aim to really hack on much | 11:05 |
| ^-^hi | Wizzup: Who did? I would be really eager to get in contact. | 11:05 |
| sicelo | ah yes, and someone did Leste via chroot in Android :) | 11:05 |
| bencoh | was it chroot or container? | 11:06 |
| Wizzup | was it this? https://github.com/NotKit/maemo-leste-fxtec-pro1-debos/ | 11:06 |
| ^-^hi | Yeah so I was disappointed with UT and inspecting whether putting Debian on Halium and then Hildon on Debian would be easy. | 11:06 |
| sicelo | i think it was chroot | 11:06 |
| bencoh | Wizzup: iirc it was notkit, yeah | 11:06 |
| Wizzup | yeah | 11:06 |
| Wizzup | that's the repo | 11:06 |
| Wizzup | ^-^hi: we are basically hildon on debian | 11:06 |
| ^-^hi | Wizzup: Yes but you don't use systemd which Hallium uses | 11:07 |
| bencoh | hildon itself as a maemo offspring shouldn't be limited to debian though | 11:07 |
| Wizzup | bencoh: yes. but that's just packaging | 11:07 |
| bencoh | right | 11:08 |
| sicelo | ^-^hi: have you checked out Droidian? maybe that's what you need? | 11:08 |
| ^-^hi | Dude, all this fancy new *ians I never heard of | 11:08 |
| Wizzup | ^-^hi: what kind of support do you want from the n5 btw? idk how mainline looks nowadays but you could also attempt to make leste run well on mainline | 11:09 |
| Wizzup | it might not be too hard | 11:09 |
| bencoh | I dunno how advanced droidian is, but that sounds exactly like what one would need to have a hildon experience on a generic android phone | 11:09 |
| Wizzup | sicelo: wrt dns I think it can also be set per IAP | 11:09 |
| sicelo | ^-^hi: look at it ... Leste is definitely not going to switch to systemd anytime soon | 11:09 |
| Wizzup | bencoh: would be interesting to see | 11:09 |
| ^-^hi | sicelo, yeah and that is good. | 11:10 |
| bencoh | Wizzup: we could have it as a generic target by the way | 11:10 |
| bencoh | along with droid4/n900/VM/whatever | 11:10 |
| Wizzup | sicelo: I don't think it'd be too hard to leste run on systemd, it just requires porting init scripts I think, dsme etc could just stay | 11:10 |
| Wizzup | spinal84 was working on that | 11:10 |
| bencoh | yeah | 11:10 |
| Wizzup | but yeah, we're staying on openrc for ourselves :p | 11:11 |
| dreamer | note that Wizzup is a gentoo fanboi | 11:13 |
| dreamer | ;) | 11:13 |
| bencoh | Wizzup: they're already running on bullseye btw | 11:14 |
| bencoh | meaning we'd need to move forward as well first | 11:14 |
| dreamer | devuan Chimaera isn't ready yet I suppose | 11:14 |
| sicelo | just looked at the jolla shop .. seems to be still 'free.' what you pay for is support, and proprietary stuff like EAS. | 11:15 |
| Wizzup | dreamer: bencoh: we aren't ready for it no | 11:15 |
| Wizzup | we'll probably focus on wrapping up sms/phone/browser first | 11:15 |
| dreamer | hmhm. stable == stable so good for now | 11:16 |
| dreamer | first devuan needs to catch up anyway | 11:16 |
| bencoh | Wizzup: sounds reasonable :) | 11:16 |
| Wizzup | dreamer: I think devuan already released | 11:16 |
| dreamer | not that I can see | 11:16 |
| bencoh | beowulf is still current stable | 11:17 |
| sicelo | bencoh: they track mobian proper, so yeah - bullseye | 11:17 |
| dreamer | you'd think jaromil would be shouting it from all rooftops | 11:17 |
| Wizzup | ok | 11:17 |
| * dreamer upgrading his workstation to bullseye as we speak :# | 11:18 | |
| * sicelo on bookworm :p | 11:18 | |
| dreamer | debian testing is too unstable for me :# | 11:19 |
| dreamer | (unstable is generally better, since that's where most devs are. except around release time then it's super shakey) | 11:19 |
| sicelo | yeah. actually i'm really on sid | 11:20 |
| dreamer | I was on sid for several years, but at some point things broke and I decided to go stable from then on (heavily modified of course ..) | 11:24 |
| Wizzup | dreamer: install gentoo | 11:29 |
| sicelo | :) | 11:30 |
| * sicelo wonders why the D4 doesn't charge sometimes, while connected to a supply | 11:31 | |
| dreamer | Wizzup: of course not | 11:32 |
| dreamer | I ran gentoo for over a year. learned a ton. also burned a hole in my desk after every emerge world | 11:32 |
| dreamer | never again. | 11:32 |
| sicelo | :D | 11:32 |
| Wizzup | you live in a cold country | 11:32 |
| Wizzup | just upgrade in the winter only | 11:32 |
| dreamer | hehe | 11:32 |
| lel | MerlijnWajer opened an issue: https://github.com/maemo-leste/bugtracker/issues/570 (Also serve Maemo Leste packages over Tor HS) | 12:08 |
| Wizzup | freemangordon: did you manage to do some stuff with modest? | 12:11 |
| Wizzup | just curious | 12:11 |
| Wizzup | we should have something like this: http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/ | 12:21 |
| Wizzup | uvos: btw not sure if you asked for libosso-abook api examples but there is http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/libosso-abook/ | 15:45 |
| Wizzup | uvos: also http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/eventlogger/ | 15:47 |
| Wizzup | lol @ fix the FIXME's there | 15:48 |
| Wizzup | looking at fixing the libicd-network-ofono activate stuff, seems like it's not too hard | 15:57 |
| freemangordon | Wizzup: what do you mean "some stuff"? | 16:38 |
| freemangordon | so far it is missing gnomevfs module from tinymail, gtkhtml and clalendar-widgets | 16:39 |
| freemangordon | I will work on the last one starting tomorrow, maybe | 16:40 |
| freemangordon | IIUC kona works on libtinymail-gio (or whatever it will be called), but I have no idea what the progress is if any | 17:01 |
| kona | I think my client is missing about half the conversation, but yes, I've almost got tinymail building for gio and will move on next to modest. But modest also needs an html renderer | 19:07 |
| Wizzup | kona: check | 21:40 |
| freemangordon | kona: great, LMK if you need help | 22:23 |
| lel | freemangordon created a repository: https://github.com/maemo-leste/calendar-ui-widgets | 22:37 |
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