| kona | got a fresh 32gb sd for my pinephone (was previously using 8gb), imaged it with leste, managed to hose my leste install with one command. | 02:01 |
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| kona | sudo apt update | 02:01 |
| kona | because i forgot to /etc/expandcard.sh first :) | 02:02 |
| freemangordon | Wizzup: GTKHTML_3_91_4_1 doesn't seem to work, graphics are not visible i | 07:33 |
| freemangordon | *in test html editor application | 07:33 |
| freemangordon | will try older version | 07:33 |
| freemangordon | hmm, 3.32 doesnt work too, smae issue | 08:05 |
| freemangordon | weird | 08:05 |
| freemangordon | ok, seems we'll have to use fremantle one, upstream doesn't load images and I don;t want to waste more time debugging it | 09:01 |
| Wizzup | freemangordon: check | 11:03 |
| Wizzup | thanks for trying | 11:03 |
| Wizzup | kona: hm how does that hose it? | 11:04 |
| Wizzup | leste.maemo.org will switch IPs in the next few days, there might be a bit of downtime | 11:45 |
| Wizzup | my ISP is cancelling the subnets at home that they offer, so I have to temporarily tunnel the traffic over wireguard to a new server I just got | 11:45 |
| Wizzup | I'll also be switching ISP because of this | 11:45 |
| bencoh | oh | 11:56 |
| pere | hi. is maemo leste working on any systems with omap5? | 14:05 |
| Wizzup | I don't think we have any omap5 devices, do you? | 14:08 |
| kona | Wizzup: if one doesn't run expandcard.sh before apt upgrade, filesystem fills up during package install. Sometimes recoverable, but in this instance the ui wouldn't startand it was easier to just reimage | 15:34 |
| Wizzup | kona: wonder if we should make the default fs a bit larger then | 15:35 |
| Wizzup | cc parazyd | 15:35 |
| uvos | this is an apt bug if it happens | 15:35 |
| uvos | the package manager is supposed to check disk space before it starts | 15:36 |
| uvos | pere: want to use it on a pyra? bearly any other omap5 deivces exist and no consumer ones afaik. | 15:37 |
| parazyd | Wizzup: No need to make it bigger | 15:49 |
| parazyd | Wizzup: We keep it to a 2GB maximum, it's enough | 15:49 |
| parazyd | Wizzup: Only if we decide to install more Maemo software by default should it grow. | 15:49 |
| parazyd | And yeah, apt doesn't check this. You can delete the debs in /var/cache/apt | 15:50 |
| Wizzup | parazyd: so kona reported fresh install + apt update + apt upgrade breaking the device | 15:53 |
| Wizzup | parazyd: that sounds like the core is too large | 15:53 |
| parazyd | No, it's because apt downloads the new debs | 15:53 |
| parazyd | They don't get installed on the fly | 15:53 |
| kona | Ah wait | 15:54 |
| parazyd | First downloaded, and then unpacked when everything is there. | 15:54 |
| Wizzup | is the end result different for users? | 15:54 |
| kona | Wait. | 15:54 |
| kona | Let me amend my report | 15:54 |
| parazyd | We should just expand the card on first boot | 15:54 |
| kona | apt update && apt upgrade | 15:54 |
| kona | Fills the default image | 15:55 |
| kona | Sorry for the confusion, I hadn't had my coffee yet | 15:56 |
| kona | Oh. Nevermind, you said that already. | 15:56 |
| uvos | apt might download debs untill the disk is full | 16:01 |
| uvos | but it def should not start the upgrade unless it can compleat | 16:01 |
| uvos | and leave the system in a half upgraded state when it subsiquently fails | 16:01 |
| uvos | now if thats not whats happening and instead the disk is simply full and that alone breaks the system to the point you cant clear apt cache then there is a problem somewhere else | 16:02 |
| uvos | with something critical failing becuse it cant write a state file or something | 16:03 |
| uvos | wich is also a bug | 16:03 |
| uvos | anyhow booting into the recovery shell should allow you to clear the chache even if such a failure occures | 16:04 |
| uvos | but i gues rn there is no way to change the runlevel at boot on devices other than the mapphones | 16:05 |
| freemangordon | fremantle gtkhtml works, going to package it | 16:27 |
| Wizzup | neat | 16:28 |
| kona | Uvos: I can't be certain what state the upgrade left my device in. Ui and buttons were unresponsive for about 5 minutes, so I restarted it by holding power button for 10s | 16:38 |
| uvos | what makes you think diskspace was the issue here? | 16:38 |
| kona | It came up showing only a clock in portrait orientation at upper left, no decorations, no wallpaper, and tapping screen was unresponsive. I tried again, and could not get control of the system. Mounting on my laptop showed filesystem 92.x% full | 16:40 |
| uvos | that dosent point towards diskspace being the issue | 16:40 |
| uvos | if there a 0 blocks availbe ok then hildon might fail to start because it wants to write a state file or something | 16:41 |
| uvos | that sounds more like the upgrade was in progress (as in in the install phase, not downloading debs) and failed before configureing all packages/ installing all files | 16:42 |
| kona | I'm rather assuming it's a disk full issue because it happened twice (100%) of times I have flashed Maemo for pine64, and it didn't happen twice (100%) when I ran expandcard.sh before the upgrade. | 16:42 |
| kona | Could be | 16:42 |
| kona | I only have 4 data points | 16:42 |
| kona | 2 failed without expandcard.sh, and two succeeded after expandcard.sh | 16:43 |
| uvos | i get that | 16:43 |
| kona | It's not a great sample size and I didn't spend a lot of time diagnosing because it felt like pebkac | 16:43 |
| uvos | no it looks like a bug to me | 16:43 |
| uvos | not pebkac | 16:43 |
| kona | Ok :) | 16:45 |
| freemangordon | parazyd: does builder support building using .orig.tar.gz files? | 16:47 |
| Wizzup | instead of? | 16:48 |
| freemangordon | full source tree | 16:48 |
| parazyd | hmm not quite | 16:49 |
| parazyd | Can you give me a usecase? | 16:49 |
| parazyd | It's possible to have an empty repo with a debian dir and download files. | 16:50 |
| freemangordon | for gtkhtml3 we have orig.tar.gz + debian (which has patches subdir) | 16:50 |
| uvos | no point in keeping upstream and packaging files seperate for gtkhtml | 16:50 |
| uvos | since there is no upstream | 16:51 |
| uvos | but for other pacakges (ie those in upstream forks) this arrangement would be usefull... | 16:51 |
| freemangordon | drwxrwxrwx 8 user user 4096 Sep 24 17:44 gtkhtml3.14-3.24.4 | 16:51 |
| freemangordon | -rw-r--r-- 1 user user 2190845 Jun 14 2010 gtkhtml3.14_3.24.4.orig.tar.gz | 16:51 |
| freemangordon | gtkhtml3.14-3.24.4 dir has debian subdir only | 16:51 |
| parazyd | freemangordon: When we ran into this, we just extracted the tarball into git and made a proper package out of it | 16:52 |
| freemangordon | yes, but debian policy says to keep the orig | 16:52 |
| freemangordon | AFAIK | 16:52 |
| freemangordon | but ok, I'll extract tarball | 16:53 |
| freemangordon | parazyd: despite, how hard would be to support that? given that dpkg-buildpackage already supports it | 16:53 |
| parazyd | jenkins-debian-glue doesn't support it afaik. A workaround is what I mentioned, it could be downloaded or the git repo could contain the tarball itself. | 16:54 |
| freemangordon | for sure I can put the tarball in the repo, but what tarball? what should repo structure look like? | 16:56 |
| parazyd | repo/debian/ | 16:57 |
| parazyd | repo/foo.orig.tar.gz | 16:57 |
| parazyd | Then in debian/rules you'd have to unpack it | 16:57 |
| freemangordon | ah, I see | 16:57 |
| freemangordon | this is what Nokia did for gtkhtml3 back then :) | 16:58 |
| freemangordon | I was hoping we can do better ;) | 16:58 |
| freemangordon | ok | 16:58 |
| parazyd | Not really | 16:58 |
| uvos | this is a bad idea since there is no upstream | 16:58 |
| uvos | just make a real repo | 16:59 |
| uvos | so that others can pr it | 16:59 |
| freemangordon | sure there is upstream | 16:59 |
| uvos | its dead | 16:59 |
| freemangordon | doesn;t matter, we have a whole bunch of patches applied on top of orig source | 16:59 |
| uvos | just apply them | 16:59 |
| freemangordon | no | 16:59 |
| freemangordon | this is ugly | 16:59 |
| uvos | not really | 16:59 |
| freemangordon | I'll keep debian/patches | 17:00 |
| uvos | the reson for the patches is so that you keep the upstreem stuf seperate | 17:00 |
| parazyd | Why not unpack the source and apply the patches in git? | 17:00 |
| uvos | there is not upstream anymore so its reason to exists has gohne away | 17:00 |
| parazyd | Then it's maintainable | 17:00 |
| freemangordon | because I can;t provide sane commit messages for them | 17:00 |
| parazyd | That's hardly an argument | 17:00 |
| freemangordon | also, they just apply from debian/patches, so I see no reason to do that manually | 17:01 |
| parazyd | It's no different than having them as files. | 17:01 |
| parazyd | One reason is what uvos says, there's no upstream anymore, so we become upstream. | 17:01 |
| freemangordon | also, it will take me more time to do commit for each of the 33 patches | 17:02 |
| freemangordon | and this is for a package we deem as temporary | 17:02 |
| freemangordon | just a waste of time | 17:02 |
| uvos | nothing is more permanent than a temporary soltion :P | 17:03 |
| freemangordon | :) | 17:03 |
| freemangordon | still, I want modest working, then we shall find renderer replacement | 17:04 |
| lel | freemangordon created a repository: https://github.com/maemo-leste/gtkhtml3 | 17:04 |
| pere | Wizzup: do not have a omap5 device yet, but have preordered a dragonbox pyra, which I was just told is using it. | 18:14 |
| Wizzup | yeah, indeed | 18:22 |
| rafael2k | hi everybody! | 19:32 |
| rafael2k | anyone using maemo on the pinephone? | 19:32 |
| rafael2k | for a long long time I have no telephony support in the kernel... | 19:34 |
| rafael2k | I'd like to know if the problem is just with me | 19:34 |
| kona | i'm have a pinephone, haven't tried telephony yet. | 19:35 |
| _uvos__ | omap5 has worse mainline support than the almost compleat support for omap4/5 | 19:35 |
| _uvos__ | *omap3/4 | 19:36 |
| _uvos__ | pyra uses a older 4.something ti vendor kernel iirc | 19:36 |
| kona | does anyone have their hands on a pyra? | 19:36 |
| _uvos__ | telephony in kernel should work on pp | 19:37 |
| _uvos__ | but i dont have a pp | 19:37 |
| kona | hardware is hard :) | 19:37 |
| rafael2k | I was working great... until the latest kernel updates | 19:37 |
| rafael2k | some months ago | 19:37 |
| kona | oh, hmm. | 19:37 |
| _uvos__ | hmm no idea | 19:37 |
| _uvos__ | parazyd ^^^ | 19:38 |
| _uvos__ | what are the exact symptoms | 19:38 |
| _uvos__ | dose the kernel module for the pp modem not load? | 19:39 |
| _uvos__ | are the interfaces missing? | 19:39 |
| _uvos__ | could you post a dmesg? | 19:39 |
| rafael2k | modem does not show up, ofono scripts don't work | 19:42 |
| rafael2k | nothing in dmesg | 19:42 |
| rafael2k | sure | 19:42 |
| rafael2k | it is just a wrong config | 19:43 |
| a-steve | Hello guys, I bought back the N900 lately and what was not apparent at the time i did that the touch on the screen is way off, have to click like a 1cm below an icon to select it, tried a calibration 1 and 2 works well while there is no way I can calibrate 3 and 4, do you think it is the digitizer/touch screen issue or software causing the off set of the touches... | 19:44 |
| rafael2k | dmesg: http://abradig.org.br/dm.pp | 19:44 |
| Wizzup | rafael2k: I can try to boot my pp later tonight | 19:46 |
| _uvos__ | a-steve: sounds like a dead touchscreen | 19:46 |
| _uvos__ | what are you callibrating with the xinput tool or the fremantle one | 19:47 |
| a-steve | I have tried to reflash maemo 5 but am having problems with flasher 3.5 for some reason it is not flashing the vanilla getting that no usb device is found | 19:47 |
| a-steve | _uvos__ fremantle I am guessing | 19:47 |
| rafael2k | Wizzup: tks! | 19:48 |
| a-steve | the built in calibration in settings | 19:48 |
| _uvos_ | its dead jim | 19:48 |
| a-steve | so I need a new touch screen apparently | 19:48 |
| _uvos_ | yes | 19:49 |
| a-steve | or a digitizer? | 19:49 |
| _uvos_ | might be cheeper to just buy a d4 | 19:49 |
| a-steve | motorola droid 4? | 19:49 |
| _uvos_ | yes | 19:49 |
| _uvos_ | should 40 ish euros | 19:49 |
| _uvos_ | but you have to import from us | 19:49 |
| a-steve | I seen it on maemo-leste list of devices | 19:50 |
| _uvos_ | can be cheaper too | 19:50 |
| a-steve | I kinda like it too | 19:50 |
| _uvos_ | sometimes 20ish euros | 19:50 |
| rafael2k | may be we could just use this: http://repo.mobian-project.org/pool/main/l/linux-5.14-sunxi64/ | 19:50 |
| rafael2k | (for the pp) | 19:50 |
| a-steve | problem is I can't order online but might ask my brother if he can | 19:50 |
| a-steve | if it is this cheap | 19:51 |
| a-steve | do maemo leste run well on it? | 19:51 |
| a-steve | the d4 | 19:51 |
| ajr | Runs very nice in my experience | 19:53 |
| ajr | even at 1GB memory that's still 4x the N900 | 19:53 |
| a-steve | yes true can't believe I was scammed with the n900 | 19:54 |
| Wizzup | It might be worth trying a bit harder to see if the ts is fixable somehow, or ask the person about it | 19:55 |
| _uvos__ | the d4 is defacto the primary dev device for leste atm and is the best supported device | 19:56 |
| _uvos__ | maybe someone here has a n900 with broken usb | 19:57 |
| _uvos__ | i hear is common | 19:57 |
| _uvos__ | you could maybe board swap sutch a device | 19:58 |
| _uvos__ | as an alternative | 19:58 |
| a-steve | Yeah, I don't mind keeping the n900, I got 2 now that needs a touch screen lol one partially working and the other sure dead | 20:00 |
| Wizzup | I tried to replace the digitiser once, it was a mess | 20:01 |
| a-steve | Wizzup I did take off the digitizer from my 1st device so I kinda learned/experienced what I should do, but i thought I would take an easy route by reflashing before getting my screw driver to action | 20:02 |
| Wizzup | mhm | 20:02 |
| Wizzup | I could send you a d4 if you're planning to contribute, depending on where you're located | 20:03 |
| a-steve | just in case it was a software issue | 20:03 |
| Wizzup | although depending on where you're located the d4 also might not be that great... | 20:03 |
| _uvos__ | pretty unlikely @sw issue but dosent hurt to boot leste and try | 20:03 |
| a-steve | Wizzup i live in the middle east lebanon, right now the whole country is in a big mess | 20:03 |
| _uvos__ | Wizzup: what are you thinking abourt wrt that | 20:04 |
| Wizzup | a-steve: right | 20:04 |
| Wizzup | _uvos__: in the US the d4 is kinda tricky to use :) | 20:04 |
| Wizzup | _uvos__: I tried :) | 20:04 |
| _uvos__ | yaeh right | 20:04 |
| _uvos__ | its locked | 20:04 |
| a-steve | need an unlocked version | 20:04 |
| a-steve | on eaby and amazon there is none for sale | 20:05 |
| _uvos__ | a-steve its locked only against us gsm carriers | 20:05 |
| _uvos__ | its unlocked everywhere else | 20:05 |
| a-steve | ah i see | 20:05 |
| _uvos__ | if you need it to work in us a bionic is even cheeper going for 10$ occasionally and works globaly and has the same quality of leste support | 20:06 |
| _uvos__ | but no kbd | 20:06 |
| a-steve | am thinking to switch the whole slider screen to my n900 and see if the calibration is good b4 I try with the digitizer | 20:06 |
| a-steve | to my older n900 | 20:07 |
| a-steve | since am sure it worked with no issues except for its lcd | 20:07 |
| Wizzup | I think you can swap the half yeah | 20:08 |
| Wizzup | oh, right | 20:08 |
| Wizzup | mhm, worth trying | 20:08 |
| a-steve | the other problem I faced was the flash it self i am unable to flash using flasher 3.5 not sure what the problem is, probably windows drivers or something else | 20:08 |
| Wizzup | try 0xFFFF? | 20:09 |
| Wizzup | https://maedevu.maemo.org/images/n900/tools/ | 20:09 |
| a-steve | i guess it doesn't run on the phone itself right? | 20:09 |
| a-steve | i need a micro sd card? | 20:09 |
| Wizzup | no, it doesn't | 20:09 |
| Wizzup | also there is flasher-3.5 for linux | 20:10 |
| Wizzup | oh, you're not on linux | 20:10 |
| a-steve | not on this pc | 20:10 |
| a-steve | i can plug my external though | 20:10 |
| a-steve | been a while i haven't work on pcs to be honest windows or linux | 20:10 |
| a-steve | but frankly speaking i missed the days when N900 was working | 20:11 |
| a-steve | no other phone for me was as exciting | 20:11 |
| Wizzup | yeah | 20:11 |
| a-steve | imagine the world without elop | 20:13 |
| _uvos__ | i dont thin they had a chance | 20:13 |
| _uvos__ | even without elop | 20:13 |
| a-steve | N9 was onto something | 20:14 |
| a-steve | with meego | 20:14 |
| _uvos__ | sorta | 20:14 |
| _uvos__ | but they where switching the platforms to mutch | 20:14 |
| a-steve | although I liked maemo more | 20:14 |
| a-steve | felt more free with maemo | 20:14 |
| _uvos__ | app support is hard to get if you make everything incompatabil | 20:14 |
| _uvos__ | and have so manny incomaptabil oses in parrallel | 20:15 |
| _uvos__ | i dont think they stood a chance against android long term | 20:15 |
| _uvos__ | with them constantly pulling in multiple directions and all | 20:15 |
| a-steve | maybe it was gonna be the other way around... I mean no one really knows | 20:15 |
| _uvos__ | no by the time n9 was ready it was all over | 20:16 |
| a-steve | they had a good open source team and the community till today proves it maemo leste for example | 20:16 |
| a-steve | yes true | 20:16 |
| _uvos__ | it was all over by the start of 2010 see windows phone | 20:16 |
| _uvos__ | microsoft was way more compitent in starting thair platform | 20:17 |
| _uvos__ | and it came to nothing | 20:17 |
| a-steve | yeah I know but was imagining if things went the right direction for them | 20:17 |
| a-steve | "and it came to nothing" true that | 20:17 |
| a-steve | wondeing why HMD don't try to regroup but i guess it is really really late | 20:18 |
| a-steve | feels as if they also are tying the nuts even more these days | 20:20 |
| Wizzup | we'll have a free platform for ourselves and anyone who wants to use it soon :) | 20:23 |
| a-steve | finger crossed it all goes well | 20:24 |
| a-steve | meanwhile i couldn't find any droid 4 that ship overseas lol | 20:24 |
| a-steve | librem overpriced pinephone seems a good option | 20:25 |
| _uvos__ | sure pp is fine | 20:25 |
| a-steve | between is there anyone developing for the Gemini PDA? | 20:25 |
| Wizzup | a-steve: it's about 11 bucks to send a package to Lebanon, with delivery times about 10-20 days according to dutch royal post | 20:25 |
| _uvos__ | outch | 20:26 |
| Wizzup | _uvos__: compared to germany, sure ;P | 20:26 |
| a-steve | 11 bucks in the lebanese market now is about 165000LBP these days, before everything got messed up here it was about 16500LBP | 20:30 |
| a-steve | economic inflation is 1 times from what it was | 20:31 |
| a-steve | and couple months ago it was 10 times | 20:31 |
| a-steve | sorry scratch my last comment, it is 10 times from it was couple years ago | 20:32 |
| Wizzup | yikes | 20:32 |
| a-steve | and couple months back it was worse | 20:32 |
| a-steve | here is the rates before all economical break down 1USD=1515LBP, and started to inflate, reached 1USD= up to 25000LBP | 20:34 |
| a-steve | now it is around 15000LBP for 1USD | 20:34 |
| _uvos__ | i assume thats bad reltive to local saleries | 20:35 |
| a-steve | problem is most of the currency we use and get our wager is in LBP and we did not get a raise to keep up with the inflation, | 20:35 |
| a-steve | so I am getting paid in LBP with a salary to equal the USD rate at 1515LBP | 20:36 |
| a-steve | now imagine the raise of the prices on all the product that we import | 20:37 |
| a-steve | before all this the 11USD would cost me around 16500LBP while now it will cost me 165000LBP on the same wager | 20:38 |
| _uvos__ | id rather not :P and im quite happy to b3e reciveing euros | 20:39 |
| _uvos__ | but this is getting quite far off topic | 20:39 |
| Wizzup | just for the record I don't mind paying for the shipping and stuff if you think you can contribute in userland or kernel | 20:39 |
| Wizzup | not sure if it will pass customs and such, but yeah. | 20:39 |
| a-steve | not really :D am still talking about the 11USD extra for shipping | 20:39 |
| a-steve | Wizzup If I decided I will talk to my brother who lives in Dubai to make the payment, I don't have a USD account in the bank and if i have I am not getting paid in USD, lets say the contribution is around 100USD that would be all of my salary | 20:42 |
| a-steve | no wait that would be 10 times my salary | 20:43 |
| a-steve | no I was right the 1st time | 20:43 |
| a-steve | got mixed with all those numbers | 20:43 |
| a-steve | anyways, anyone tried to work on a port for gemini pda? | 20:45 |
| Wizzup | yes, in fact, I think someone did using libhybris | 20:46 |
| Wizzup | not sure though. | 20:46 |
| Wizzup | a-steve: again for the record I' | 20:46 |
| Wizzup | d just send you the device, you'd just have to figure out imports/customs | 20:46 |
| Wizzup | but let's move on for now ;p | 20:46 |
| a-steve | I appreciated mate but no worries I can manage when I decide | 20:48 |
| a-steve | I guess The-kit was working in the libhybris | 20:48 |
| a-steve | on the libhybris | 20:48 |
| a-steve | I do have the gemini but not using it, gave it to my 11 year old some with an old android version | 20:50 |
| a-steve | some *son | 20:50 |
| a-steve | was not excited with SFOS and gemian is very early stages | 20:50 |
| a-steve | even after 3 years I guess, was hoping it will be he next N900, boy ow i was wrong | 20:52 |
| a-steve | how | 20:52 |
| kona | does the pinephone image use u-boot? | 20:53 |
| kona | its "installed" but it looks like maybe there's no bootmenu.d | 20:54 |
| * kona digs around in /usr/share/doc/*boot* | 20:57 | |
| kona | looks like what i want to try messing with for dual boot might be /usr/share/pine64-uboot/boot.txt, cool | 21:03 |
| a-steve | Thanks for all the help Wizzup and _uvos__ guess tomorrow the project would be to swap the slider to my old N900 and see if the touch screen works well... time to play some vendetta online :) | 21:04 |
| a-steve | cheers Wizzup _uvos__ | 21:05 |
| a-steve | exit | 21:05 |
| a-steve | lol | 21:05 |
| sicelo | a-steve: good luck. i think you'll manage. just be sure to not break or wear the heads of the tiny screws on the top half | 21:26 |
| freemangordon | parazyd: is it possible to have version (and tag) 3.24.4-leste1 for a native package? | 23:29 |
| freemangordon | https://pastebin.com/MiNcGdnc :) | 23:56 |
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